Its not so much that he didn't pay taxes this heavy penalty is because he didn't pay taxes and is Black. The system is such that they always try and make an example of a black man. Leona Helmsley was suppose to get decades in prison but managed to dwindle it down to 18 months. I'm sure if the legal system is right they will do the same for Snipes. If they don't then the system is all about getting the black man.
OMG! web sucks!! They moved the article. There goes my point.
Are his co-conspiritors also black men?
Damon Dash made the top ten, served no time and had to pay back two mil. The others are white or some kind of mix, and served no time. Willie Nelson once owed 16 million and you know they weren't about to send him' to jail, not unless they wanted their money!
I will admit, three years seems a little harsh, but I believe the sentence will be reduced. And there have been plenty of white folk who went to jail for not paying taxes (or because their tax payer failed to pay).
I suppose we'd have to know more of the details of just why' exactly is he going to jail?
Posted by Vmart:
Its not so much that he didn't pay taxes this heavy penalty is because he didn't pay taxes and is Black. The system is such that they always try and make an example of a black man. Leona Helmsley was suppose to get decades in prison but managed to dwindle it down to 18 months. I'm sure if the legal system is right they will do the same for Snipes. If they don't then the system is all about getting the black man.
You should have gave him one of these to give the judge!
[Edited by - izybx on 25-04-2008 3:25 PM]
Kahn was the founder of American Rights Litigators, and a successor group, Guiding Light of God Ministries, that purported to help members legally avoid paying taxes. Rosile, a former accountant who lost his licenses in Ohio and Florida, prepared Snipes' paperwork.
Snipes maintained in a years-long battle with the IRS he did not have to pay taxes, using fringe arguments common to "tax protesters" who say the government has no legal right to collect. After joining Kahn's group, the government said Snipes instructed his employees to stop paying their own taxes and sought $11 million in 1996 and 1997 taxes he legally paid.
Prosecutors sought to justify the maximum sentence by raising those and other details from the IRS investigation, as well as a tax loss even for years in which Snipes was acquitted of failing to file a return. Such "relevant conduct" is allowed by law for a judge's consideration at sentencing.
Criminal tax prosecutions are relatively rare usually the cases are handled in civil court, where the government has a lower burden of proof. Prosecutors said Snipes' case was important to send a message to would-be tax protesters not to test the government.
I think the above part of the quote is the key part. There are groups of people who try to avoid paying taxes and publicize their ability to get away with it. I may be wrong, but I don't think the sentencing was about Snipes or about his being black as it was to send a message to these groups that their act doesn't work. They have to pay taxes like everyone else.
Posted by Vmart:
Its not so much that he didn't pay taxes this heavy penalty is because he didn't pay taxes and is Black. The system is such that they always try and make an example of a black man. Leona Helmsley was suppose to get decades in prison but managed to dwindle it down to 18 months. I'm sure if the legal system is right they will do the same for Snipes. If they don't then the system is all about getting the black man.
well.. looks like you beat playa to it. Congrats
Snipes did not just get caught, he played this out for years and was very beligerant about it.
Leona got some time and she was an old white lady.
Snipes made a lot of money and did not pay his taxes. The color we taking about here is green.
Isn't Snipes one of the rich in america that is trying to take advantage of the poor by not paying his taxes. I know he is a famous actor but doesn't this fall in the same category as all the CEO's that everyone despises for trying to hold on to all their money? Or is it only bad when a CEO cheats?
I need to know what the white threshold is for when Racism comes into play. What and when do white people believe, if ever, that blacks are treated unfairly in society. Someone please answer this for me.
Yes, I do believe Snipes' race was a factor in this. get it: 'A' factor, not the only factor.
He was convicted of 3 counts of willfully not filing his taxes and recieved the maximum sentence.
Leona Hemsley - "On August 30, Helmsley was convicted and sentenced of one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States,[5] three counts of tax evasion,[6] three counts of filing false personal tax returns,[7] sixteen counts of assisting in the filing of false corporate and partnership tax returns,

and ten counts of mail fraud.[9] (See United States v. Helmsley, 941 F.2d 71, 91-2 U.S. Tax Cas. (CCH) paragr. 50,455 (2d Cir. 1991), cert. denied, 502 U.S. 1091 (1992).)"
She was sentenced to 16 years and had it reduced to 18 months.
These are very different charges and thus far, very different outcomes. But I suppose there is nothing that will ever make most white people see that the legal system sytematically provides different outcomes for different races; in spite of the reality that it is a documented fact.
Posted by Killa4luv:
I need to know what the white threshold is for when Racism comes into play. What and when do white people believe, if ever, that blacks are treated unfairly in society. Someone please answer this for me.
Yes, I do believe Snipes' race was a factor in this. get it: 'A' factor, not the only factor.
He was convicted of 3 counts of willfully not filing his taxes and recieved the maximum sentence.
Leona Hemsley - "On August 30, Helmsley was convicted and sentenced of one count of conspiracy to defraud the United States,[5] three counts of tax evasion,[6] three counts of filing false personal tax returns,[7] sixteen counts of assisting in the filing of false corporate and partnership tax returns,
and ten counts of mail fraud.[9] (See United States v. Helmsley, 941 F.2d 71, 91-2 U.S. Tax Cas. (CCH) paragr. 50,455 (2d Cir. 1991), cert. denied, 502 U.S. 1091 (1992).)"
She was sentenced to 16 years and had it reduced to 18 months.
These are very different charges and thus far, very different outcomes. But I suppose there is nothing that will ever make most white people see that the legal system sytematically provides different outcomes for different races; in spite of the reality that it is a documented fact.
Did she work out a plee bargain? Is 18 months compared to 36 that different? What other factors were at play than race?
Posted by Killa4luv:
What and when do white people believe, if ever, that blacks are treated unfairly in society. Someone please answer this for me.
And what about Asians, Latino's, Middle Easterns, American Indians, etc., etc., etc.?
Yes, I do believe Snipes' race was a factor in this. get it: 'A' factor, not the only factor.
I wonder what the jury pool was made up of?
I am sorry but there is no way that if Snipes was white he would have gotten 3 years. He was convicted of 3 misdeameanors!! The judge ran the sentences consecutively, which is rarely done for a misdeameanor. Snipes should have gotten 6 months-1 year in prison and been made to pay the money back with penalties. 3 years is insane.
On a side note, maybe Wesley can do "Undisputed III" while in prison.
Maybe he can film 'Gang Rape' while there.
Posted by TheGame:
I am sorry but there is no way that if Snipes was white he would have gotten 3 years. He was convicted of 3 misdeameanors!! The judge ran the sentences consecutively, which is rarely done for a misdeameanor. Snipes should have gotten 6 months-1 year in prison and been made to pay the money back with penalties. 3 years is insane.
On a side note, maybe Wesley can do "Undisputed III" while in prison.
Why does a harsh judgment instantly have to be labeled as racism? The notion utterly baffles me. You guys make it sound like a white person has never gotten a harsh judgment (In fact, one poster stated as much in another thread).
It's definitely a very harsh judgment, but isn't it more than a little presumptuous to assume you know the root cause?
[Edited by - Solace on Apr 27 2008 02:01 AM]
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TheGame:
I am sorry but there is no way that if Snipes was white he would have gotten 3 years. He was convicted of 3 misdeameanors!! The judge ran the sentences consecutively, which is rarely done for a misdeameanor. Snipes should have gotten 6 months-1 year in prison and been made to pay the money back with penalties. 3 years is insane.
On a side note, maybe Wesley can do "Undisputed III" while in prison.
Why does a harsh judgment instantly have to be labeled as racism? The notion utterly baffles me.
The notion that it baffles you doesn't surprise me in the least. Heres something to help you understand, you operate from the default position that the courts are just and fair towards everyone, most black people I know operate from the default position that being black in court is a factor that works against you. This black view has been an accurate account of history in this country, unless you think for the couple of hundred years we've been here, we've been getting justice from the court system. I'd ask you, why you would think race wasn't a factor? I'd say because you're white and it isn't a factor for you, so you can't understand why someone would think that way. Think about how being black has always been a factor, particularly in the court system, why would we think it isn't now? What transformation has happened that makes you think everything is all groovy?
He's been sentenced to 3 years--what he will actually do is a different ball game.
If Martha Stewart can go to jail for simply dumping a small holding of stock--anyone can go to jail. They don't care if Snipes is black or white--they will always try to make examples out of stars--especially on something like this--he blantantly violated the law--is he above the law? Maybe in his own mind he was.