I tend to think the poor post season ABs are due to(1) the All Star team line-up that had no effing clue how to manufacture runs because all the guys were used to being The Man and (2) the pressure to swing for the fences or shoot the gaps intensifies when there is only one competent reliever in the pen. Pudge is another big name and I don't see this lineup scoring runs except when hits are strung together, as opposed to the tactical hit-and-run or sac bunt. The pen just seemed like such a strength right now, I'm a little disappointed to lose that, when a HUGE reason the 1996-2001 Yankees were so good was because they always had the best pen in the game and the other team pretty much had to win in the first six innings.
The Yankees clearly extracted more value than the Tigers in this deal. They definitely won the trade. They definitely addressed a need. They definitely dealt from a position of strength. As TMS pointed out, Melancon is the future and just got promoted to Scranton. There's a lot to like here.
At the same time, this is another big name in the lineup. It just feels like another one of those deals that is symptomatic of the 2002-present Yankees, as opposed to the 1996-2001 Yankees.
i think a starphuch type move woulda been if we'd went all in to trade for Texeiria... moves like the one for Nady (though i am highly hesitant to claim it was a steal for us considering what we gave up in the deal) along w/this acquisition of Pudge are not really starphuching type moves in the classic sense... we still have our youthful core intact in the minors & none of these guys are really top money level players we're bringing in... they were brought in to fill specific areas of need & Cash was able to achieve this w/o selling the farm out to do it... i have to give him props regardless of how it turns out... he's still pretty much sticking to his original plan of building up the farm while trying to compete now.
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by VDesai:
I wouldn't be surprised if Hughes worked out of the pen when he came back a la Joba last year.
i doubt they're gonna do that... he's being bred to be a starter... maybe w/the Sept callups he'll join the staff & get a few spot starts to see if he's ready... i don't factor him into our postseason plans this season.
I think it might be the easiest way to get him back into the game after injury...
maybe... we'll see i guess, but w/his history of injuries so far up to this point i think they'll be a lot more careful w/him & let him get his innings in AAA before they call him up to the majors... i think our bullpen is deep enough to allow this to happen... Hughes was obviously rushed too soon last season & i think Cash is gonna play it really slow & steady w/him from now on... i think Kennedy will get the call up before Hughes does if anything.
Posted by TMS:
i think a starphuch type move woulda been if we'd went all in to trade for Texeiria... moves like the one for Nady (though i am highly hesitant to claim it was a steal for us considering what we gave up in the deal) along w/this acquisition of Pudge are not really starphuching type moves in the classic sense... we still have our youthful core intact in the minors & none of these guys are really top money level players we're bringing in... they were brought in to fill specific areas of need & Cash was able to achieve this w/o selling the farm out to do it... i have to give him props regardless of how it turns out... he's still pretty much sticking to his original plan of building up the farm while trying to compete now.
I'll agree with this 1000000000% and it's why I don't think it was a bad deal. Technically, it was great if you look at the deal on paper. Just tough for me to be enthusiastic about it for the reasons mentioned above, although I don't want to make it sound like I'm upset.
My favorite part of the deal is that when Pudge signs with another team (I'm assuming Posada comes back as the everyday C), the Yanks get better compensation (2 picks!!) than they would with Farnsworth.
yeah, the draft picks make this pretty much a no lose situation for us... even if Pudge doesn't pan out we get the picks back if we don't re-sign him... now we just gotta get another arm for the back end of the rotation & we're pretty much set for the stretch run.
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TMS:
i think a starphuch type move woulda been if we'd went all in to trade for Texeiria... moves like the one for Nady (though i am highly hesitant to claim it was a steal for us considering what we gave up in the deal) along w/this acquisition of Pudge are not really starphuching type moves in the classic sense... we still have our youthful core intact in the minors & none of these guys are really top money level players we're bringing in... they were brought in to fill specific areas of need & Cash was able to achieve this w/o selling the farm out to do it... i have to give him props regardless of how it turns out... he's still pretty much sticking to his original plan of building up the farm while trying to compete now.
I'll agree with this 1000000000% and it's why I don't think it was a bad deal. Technically, it was great if you look at the deal on paper. Just tough for me to be enthusiastic about it for the reasons mentioned above, although I don't want to make it sound like I'm upset.
My favorite part of the deal is that when Pudge signs with another team (I'm assuming Posada comes back as the everyday C), the Yanks get better compensation (2 picks!!) than they would with Farnsworth.
Posada's aging and coming off major surgery. I definitely wouldn't assume that he'll be an everyday catcher again. I'm not sure if he'll ever catch again as opposed to either moving to 1st base or DH.
One caveat about the draft picks is that the Yankees would have to offer Pudge arbitration, which he might even decide to accept.
Question, what's the disadvantage of using a young SP like Ian Kennedy as a middle reliever? He's groomed to be a SP, but what exactly does that mean? How are middle relievers approach different from SP approach?
Posted by Hank:
Question, what's the disadvantage of using a young SP like Ian Kennedy as a middle reliever? He's groomed to be a SP, but what exactly does that mean? How are middle relievers approach different from SP approach?
they won't be using Kennedy as a middle reliever... he needs to be pitching on a regular schedule... if he's not starting he'll be in AAA, u can bank on that.
