Briggs- when you talk about all the hillary votes- what you fail to include is that if she had any decency- she would have bowed out of the election when it was obvious she couldn't win.
To me, she is disqualified since she said she was ready to lead from day one- but she mismanaged her campaign from day one- how would her presidency be any different?
Everything coming out of Obama's mouth sounds better than anything McCain says.
As far as picking a fighter, maybe he should choose Tony Soprano to be his Vice president.
Or do we need a Larry Brown type to yell at goverment officials in the US and around the world to do the right thing? Maybe Vince McMann from WWE should run for president one day.
Posted by franco12:
Briggs- when you talk about all the hillary votes- what you fail to include is that if she had any decency- she would have bowed out of the election when it was obvious she couldn't win.
To me, she is disqualified since she said she was ready to lead from day one- but she mismanaged her campaign from day one- how would her presidency be any different?
You are bang on my friend !
Hillary showed the country she was a snake who would have continued in the clinton bush regimes that got us into this mess.
All the trash she said about obama, why would he ask her to come into the whitehouse with him ?
Posted by playa2:
Posted by franco12:
Briggs- when you talk about all the hillary votes- what you fail to include is that if she had any decency- she would have bowed out of the election when it was obvious she couldn't win.
To me, she is disqualified since she said she was ready to lead from day one- but she mismanaged her campaign from day one- how would her presidency be any different?
You are bang on my friend !
Hillary showed the country she was a snake who would have continued in the clinton bush regimes that got us into this mess.
All the trash she said about obama, why would he ask her to come into the whitehouse with him ?
She's a nasty, power hungry jerk, no doubt, but Obama needs someone tough to compensate for his (foolish) softie approach. I don't care about the VP's personality. I just want a Democratic president. Clark is still my first choice but she's my 2nd and Biden my third. If Obama's gonna pick another softie who won't fight and attack, then that will be comparable to having two John Kerry's on the ticket.
[Edited by - bonn1997 on 08-21-2008 1:35 PM]
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Posted by franco12:
Briggs- when you talk about all the hillary votes- what you fail to include is that if she had any decency- she would have bowed out of the election when it was obvious she couldn't win.
Sorry my man--this game is full of snakes ---you need pitbulls like hillary in your corner
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Posted by franco12:
Briggs- when you talk about all the hillary votes- what you fail to include is that if she had any decency- she would have bowed out of the election when it was obvious she couldn't win.
Sorry my man--this game is full of snakes ---you need pitbulls like hillary in your corner
If Hillary is Obama's VP, then Obama better watch his back. Too bad Kennedy did not listen to similar advice about Johnson.
Posted by EnySpree:
Everything coming out of Obama's mouth sounds better than anything McCain says.
That's because you're an Obama supporter. He's making no progress with independent voters and is roughly tied against a weak opponent.
Right, you hear that folks? If you don't vote for Obama it's because you must be insecure about your own intelligence. You're also probably a racist too. SO if you don't want to be outed you better vote for Obama.
Posted by franco12:
the problem obama has is he is smart- and most americans are afraid of people smarter than themselves.
the man started in perhaps as deep a hole as you can- single white mom, half black, half white- not accepted by either culture- and on welfare if I recall correctly. and he went to and excelled at harvard law school- and on his application, did not indicate his race.
the fact is, he is smarter than 95+ percent of americans- that is why they can't identify with him.
and rather than earn money by taking the private sector route, he tried to help the poor in chicago.
ny grandfather isn't ready to vote for a black man, and my mother- who despite her claim to be a dissaffected hilary supporter, in realty isn't ready to vote for a black man either.
40+ years of civil rights- but there are still large segments of the us population who ultimately are prejudiced.
i find it comical that hillary supporters will not vote for obama b/c they believe the media portrayal of her campaign was sexist. what does that even mean? will they vote for mccain? for nobody? i just don't grasp why a democrat wouldn't vote for the democratic candidate b/c they feel the media was "mean" to hillary. regardless, briggs, if #'s dont lie then how is mccain going to stop obama's record amounts of fundraising, donors, and people registered to vote? what about those numbers? who gives a damn about the 18mil that supported hillary, there are 330 mil in this country and way more than 18 million hillary clinton supporters.
briggs more numbers for you:
This will set him in good stead for the November election. Karl Rove, Mr Bush’s former strategist-in-chief, has frequently argued that the president mostly owed his re-election in 2004 to the fact that the campaign had recruited 1.4m volunteers. According to Ron Brownstein of the National Journal, the Obama campaign thinks it may be able to turn out four times that number, with local organisations in all 50 states. These volunteers will act both as grass-roots organisers and as “local validators”, working to persuade their friends and neighbours to vote for a man who, in his words, does not look like any of the other presidents on the currency.
from an excellent obama article:
http://www.economist.com/printedition/di...
No chance he picks Hillary, and Biden is too liberal. It will be either Sen. Evan Bayh (sp) of IN or Virginia Gov. Kaine (sp?). Bayh was a Clinton supporter, and this may placate Hillary and her angry folks. Kaine would possibly be a draw for Southern votes. If Obama wins, Biden is his Sec. of State.
What's more disturbing is the fact that 20% of Hillary's people are looking to vote McCain. If this is true, Bayh should be the choice. He is more conservative than Obama and comes from a state which usually votes Republican. Getting Indiana would be a big plus for the Dems.
If this country votes Republican after the Bush years, I will be done following politics for good, and I am a Social Studies teacher.
The Clintons better get off their fat butts and do some serious campaigning, or people are going to start thinking that she wants Obama to lose so she can run in 2012.
As for the racism- I am "white" and my girlfriend's grandmother, who is about 88, pretty much said that she was voting for McCain because Obama has darker skin. As an NYC teacher, most of the white teachers will vote Obama, although I know of some who seem to be looking for any excuse to vote McCain, and there are some conservative Jewish teachers who think Obama is bad for Israel, and are therefore voting McCain.
This is a f'd up country when Obama is portrayed as an elitist, while McCain has the millionaire wife, 10 homes, and his wife's jet, which he sometimes uses. Same as the Connecticut-born Bush being a Texas "cowboy," and the no-show National Guard Bush getting the votes of Vietnam vets while the real vet- Kerry- gets smeared by the "Swift Boat" campaign.
McCain even hired the Bush guys who smeared him in the 2000 primaries versus Bush.
Sorry for going on like this, but politics can be a hot topic.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EnySpree:
Everything coming out of Obama's mouth sounds better than anything McCain says.
That's because you're an Obama supporter. He's making no progress with independent voters and is roughly tied against a weak opponent.
I see.
I'm an independant thinker. Am I even allowed to vote?
That's rather non-sequitar.
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EnySpree:
Everything coming out of Obama's mouth sounds better than anything McCain says.
That's because you're an Obama supporter. He's making no progress with independent voters and is roughly tied against a weak opponent.
I see.
I'm an independant thinker. Am I even allowed to vote?
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EnySpree:
Everything coming out of Obama's mouth sounds better than anything McCain says.
That's because you're an Obama supporter. He's making no progress with independent voters and is roughly tied against a weak opponent.
I see.
I'm an independant thinker. Am I even allowed to vote?
Huh? I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with your position. Talk about being overly sensitive!
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EnySpree:
Everything coming out of Obama's mouth sounds better than anything McCain says.
That's because you're an Obama supporter. He's making no progress with independent voters and is roughly tied against a weak opponent.
I see.
I'm an independant thinker. Am I even allowed to vote?
Huh? I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with your position. Talk about being overly sensitive!
Just joking dude. I don't know where I lost you.
Posted by Paladin55:
This is a f'd up country when Obama is portrayed as an elitist, while McCain has the millionaire wife, 10 homes, and his wife's jet, which he sometimes uses.
Something Obama is starting to pick on.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/21/obama-tears-into-mccain-f_n_120359.html
"Yesterday, [John McCain] was asked again what do you think about the economy, he said I think the economy is fundamentally strong," said Obama. "Now this puzzled me. I was confused what he meant. But then there was another interview where somebody asked John McCain how many houses do you have and he said 'I'm not sure. I'll have to check with my staff.' True quote. 'I'm not sure ill have to check with my staff.' So they asked his staff and they said, 'at least four.' At least four. Now think about that. I guess if you think that being rich means you make $5 million and if you don't know how many houses you have then it is not surprising that you think the economy is fundamentally strong. But if you are like me and you've got one house, or if you are like the millions of people struggling now to keep up with your mortgage payments, you might have a different perspective. By the way the answer is John McCain has seven homes."
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"Some of you saw the Saddleback Forum where [John McCain] was asked what was rich and he said 'I don't know maybe if you make $5 million, $5 million then you are rich,' which I guess means if you are only making $3 million a year you are middle class," said Obama. "I guess that's what he meant. His top economic adviser said the other day that Americans should stop complaining, that they've become a nation of whiners, that all these economic policies we are talking about is a mental recession. That if you just changed your mind you would be ok...."
As for Hillary being "close", look at the 1968 election. Nixon won by just 500,000 votes (less than 1% of the total vote), but beat Humphrey by a wide margin (20% of the electorial vote).
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?year=1968&off=0
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by EnySpree:
Everything coming out of Obama's mouth sounds better than anything McCain says.
That's because you're an Obama supporter. He's making no progress with independent voters and is roughly tied against a weak opponent.
I see.
I'm an independant thinker. Am I even allowed to vote?
Huh? I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with your position. Talk about being overly sensitive!
Just joking dude. I don't know where I lost you.
Didn't realize you were joking
Posted by BRIGGS:
if he doesn't take her--he wasn't presidential material anyway --- that would mean he is spitting on more than half of the millions of hillary voters. no other vp candidate could come close to hillary and if he cant see that he doesnt deserve it
You know that is not going to happen. When it came to raising money for Hilary Obama only raised about $500.00. So there is no way in hell she is going to be the VP. If he is going to win it should be with his own ability not someone else's ability. Obama has not shown that he is a weak man and has been doing fine by himself. There is no reason to put someone on just to get over the hump now. This is not charity. If Obama wins it is not going to be by who his vp is going to be. It is going be because the people believe in him or not.
Hilary can win votes with her supporters in the Democratic party, for sure. But she would put off a lot of independents and Republicans who might otherwise consider jumping ship. Her strong showing in the Democratic primaries should not be confused with strong support in the population as a whole.
wow you guys are nuts, stick to basketball. If he doesn't take Hillary he will get blown out?? you can't be serious. What a joke LOL
It's time this country move on from the Bush's and Clintons...They have been in control of this country over the last 20 years...This isn't a republic, it's a democracy...The Clintons has proven to be all about the Clintons... They are all about self promotion..Evidence by the fact that they negotiated a roll call in Hilary's honor on what should had been Obama's day in the sun...They won't let it go either...Billiary arrogance cost them the election...Bill cannot bring himself to this day to say that Obama would be a good President...Obama pisses me off as well being nice to these people...
Obama needs a hard hitting running mate with foreign policy cred that trumps McCain...Enters Wesley Clark...Clark has already dissed McCain on his qualifications on being a foreign policy strategist...Clark has already said being shot down does not qualify you to lead a country...It's the heart of McCain's campaign...Clark is a man of much more military credentials than McCain..McCain has no comeback to Clark because Clark has served at a higher level than McCain in the military...
The Clinton reminds me of Steph Marbury...Billiary and Marbs had all the talent and could have been one of the better Presidents/players in the history of this country, had they not veered off on a selfish course that ultimately undermined his Presidency/team...In the face of his own wrongdoing, he was defiant...Both Billiary and Marbury still thinks they are the best and someone owes them something...They can't wait to insert a foot into their own mouths at any given interview...They both still think they should lead when the country/team is well ready to move on without them...They are still trying to reinvent themselves to play more even though it obvious their careers/white house run is over...Enough, they are both poisonous and need to be retired for the collected good of the country/team...The time has come!!!..Move On!!!
