Knicks · McCain picks Sarah Palin as VP. Who the hell is she? (page 6)

Posted by martin:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Dude Obama's ahead by 6 to 8 in all the polls. I think you picked the wrong day to make that post.

Talk to me next week

plus, at this point, the delegate count on a state-by-state basis heavily favors Obama.

He's had a HUGE electoral vote lead for a long time now. Hillary supporters are just gonna have to wait til 2016! If she'd acted with more dignity in the primary, maybe she'd be VP in 2009.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-02-2008 2:28 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Dude Obama's ahead by 6 to 8 in all the polls. I think you picked the wrong day to make that post.

Talk to me next week

So you're agreeing with me

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Dude Obama's ahead by 6 to 8 in all the polls. I think you picked the wrong day to make that post.

Talk to me next week

So you're agreeing with me

No.

This is Maureen Dowd Op-Ed piece in the New York Times before the announcement of Palin's
17 year old daughter is having a kid...




Vice in Go-Go Boots?



The guilty pleasure I miss most when I’m out slogging on the campaign trail is the chance to sprawl on the chaise and watch a vacuously spunky and generically sassy chick flick.

So imagine my delight, my absolute astonishment, when the hokey chick flick came out on the trail, a Cinderella story so preposterous it’s hard to believe it’s not premiering on Lifetime. Instead of going home and watching “Miss Congeniality” with Sandra Bullock, I get to stay here and watch “Miss Congeniality” with Sarah Palin.

Sheer heaven.

It’s easy to see where this movie is going. It begins, of course, with a cute, cool unknown from Alaska who has never even been on “Meet the Press” triumphing over a cute, cool unknowable from Hawaii who has been on “Meet the Press” a lot.

Americans, suspicious that the Obamas have benefited from affirmative action without being properly grateful, and skeptical that Michelle really likes “The Brady Bunch” and “The Dick Van Dyke Show,” reject the 47-year-old black contender as too uppity and untested.

Instead, they embrace 72-year-old John McCain and 44-year-old Sarah Palin, whose average age is 58, a mere two years older than the average age of the Obama-Biden ticket. Enthusiastic Republicans don’t see the choice of Palin as affirmative action, despite her thin résumé and gaping absence of foreign policy knowledge, because they expect Republicans to put an underqualified “babe,” as Rush Limbaugh calls her, on the ticket. They have a tradition of nominating fun, bantamweight cheerleaders from the West, like the previous Miss Congeniality types Dan Quayle and W., and then letting them learn on the job. So they crash into the globe a few times while they’re learning to drive, what’s the big deal?

Obama may have been president of The Harvard Law Review, but Palin graduated from the University of Idaho with a minor in poli-sci and worked briefly as a TV sports reporter. And she was tougher on the basketball court than the ethereal Obama, earning the nickname “Sarah Barracuda.”

The legacy of Geraldine Ferraro was supposed to be that no one would ever go on a blind date with history again. But that crazy maverick and gambler McCain does it, and conservatives and evangelicals rally around him in admiration of his refreshingly cynical choice of Sarah, an evangelical Protestant and anti-abortion crusader who became a hero when she decided to have her baby, who has Down syndrome, and when she urged schools to debate creationism as well as that stuffy old evolution thing.

Palinistas, as they are called, love Sarah’s spunky, relentlessly quirky “Northern Exposure” story from being a Miss Alaska runner-up, and winning Miss Congeniality, to being mayor and hockey mom in Wasilla, a rural Alaskan town of 6,715, to being governor for two years to being the first woman ever to run on a national Republican ticket. (Why do men only pick women as running mates when they need a Hail Mary pass? It’s a little insulting.)

Sarah is a zealot, but she’s a fun zealot. She has a beehive and sexy shoes, and the day she’s named she goes shopping with McCain in Ohio for a cheerleader outfit for her daughter.

As she once told Vogue, she’s learned the hard way to deal with press comments about her looks. “I wish they’d stick with the issues instead of discussing my black go-go boots,” she said. “A reporter once asked me about it during the campaign, and I assured him I was trying to be as frumpy as I could by wearing my hair on top of my head and these schoolmarm glasses.”

This chick flick, naturally, features a wild stroke of fate, when the two-year governor of an oversized igloo becomes commander in chief after the president-elect chokes on a pretzel on day one.

The movie ends with the former beauty queen shaking out her pinned-up hair, taking off her glasses, slipping on ruby red peep-toe platform heels that reveal a pink French-style pedicure, and facing down Vladimir Putin in an island in the Bering Strait. Putting away her breast pump, she points her rifle and informs him frostily that she has some expertise in Russia because it’s close to Alaska. “Back off, Commie dude,” she says. “I’m a much better shot than Cheney.”

Then she takes off in her seaplane and lands on the White House lawn, near the new ice fishing hole and hockey rink. The “First Dude,” as she calls the hunky Eskimo in the East Wing, waits on his snowmobile with the kids — Track (named after high school track meets), Bristol (after Bristol Bay where they did commercial fishing), Willow (after a community in Alaska), Piper (just a cool name) and Trig (Norse for “strength.”)

“The P.T.A. is great preparation for dealing with the K.G.B.,” President Palin murmurs to Todd, as they kiss in the final scene while she changes Trig’s diaper. “Now that Georgia’s safe, how ’bout I cook you up some caribou hot dogs and moose stew for dinner, babe?”

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Dude Obama's ahead by 6 to 8 in all the polls. I think you picked the wrong day to make that post.

Talk to me next week

So you're agreeing with me

No.

Not that this is actually worthwhile but I said you picked the wrong time for your post and you agreed by indicating we should talk next week rather than now.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 09-02-2008 3:03 PM]

Posted by Cosmic:

Posted by SupremeCommander:

Cos, I believe you when she said she was 18... now I'm up shit's creek without a paddle

Oopsies!

Well, no worry, apparently someone already beat you to her.

Thank God for that paternity test!

Posted by playa2:

Posted by Bobby:

playa....why would mccain run just to hand it over to obama

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Bush still has a chance to stay in office, if that who the powers that be want.

what this really does is send a "clear" message to countries that think they can press to test our democray

to all the palin nay-sayers watch her speech tomorrow.

you will get a sneak preview of what a barracuda is capable of doing.

briggs is finally smelling "seattle's best"

Don't care. If you want some more of Bush ("John McCain is exactly what this country needs") then go ahead and vote for him but don't sit here and bitch about it later.

Posted by Bobby:

to all the palin nay-sayers watch her speech tomorrow.

you will get a sneak preview of what a barracuda is capable of doing.

briggs is finally smelling "seattle's best"

I wonder if the barracuda is capable of making a shotgun marriage because that NY Post article about her future son-in-law was so funny shit. Ah, Myspace the gift that keeps on giving. When will people learn.

Still waiting for someone to point out what Obama has accomplished other than refining his oratory skills.

Yes she is less qualified to be President than Biden but they are running for the No. 2 slot-on the other hand she is more qualified to be No. 1 than the senator from Illinois.

She has more executive experience than the other 3 people running combined and more experience in foreign relations than Obama having negotiated with foreign governments over various trade and rights agreements between them and Alaska. She has also been in elective office far longer than Obama.

She may have more conservative views than most of us but has shown she will not impose those views on other. She may oppose gay marriage but vetoed a bill denying rights to members of a civil union.

The McCain Palin combo will be offset by a Democratic majority in Congress-whereas the other side will have free reign.

Still waiting to hear the long list of Obama accomplishments.




[Edited by - TheSage on 09-03-2008 09:25 AM]

Posted by GKFv2:

Don't care. If you want some more of Bush ("John McCain is exactly what this country needs") then go ahead and vote for him but don't sit here and bitch about it later.

How do you figure that McCain is Bush?

Posted by Panos:

Posted by GKFv2:

Don't care. If you want some more of Bush ("John McCain is exactly what this country needs") then go ahead and vote for him but don't sit here and bitch about it later.

How do you figure that McCain is Bush?

90% voting record with Bush's policies in the Senate

Posted by TheSage:

Still waiting for someone to point out what Obama has accomplished other than refining his oratory skills.

Yes she is less qualified to be President than Biden but they are running for the No. 2 slot-on the other hand she is more qualified to be No. 1 than the senator from Illinois.

She has more executive experience than the other 3 people running combined and more experience in foreign relations than Obama having negotiated with foreign governments over various trade and rights agreements between them and Alaska. She has also been in elective office far longer than Obama.

She may have more conservative views than most of us but has shown she will not impose those views on other. She may oppose gay marriage but vetoed a bill denying rights to members of a civil union.

The McCain Palin combo will be offset by a Democratic majority in Congress-whereas the other side will have free reign.

Still waiting to hear the long list of Obama accomplishments.




[Edited by - TheSage on 09-03-2008 09:25 AM]

Well for one, Obama has had the best organized campaign of any politician we have seen in this election or any election the last 15 years( don't remember Clinton's 92 election in that manner)... He took down the mightly Clinton machinery...HUGE...

He is by far the brightest candidate left on any ticket...Given where we are as a Country and our place in the Global community, it's going to take someone that is a bit opened minded and smarts to get us back to where we were globally, in terms of stature...Let face it, we have huge issues to tackle the next 8-10 years...Let's look at this like an interview for a real job without thinking of our biased political opinion.. Wouldn't we want someone who is bright and lucid that can grow into the position...One thing we have seen is that Obama has grown since the beginning of the election..He is far better ready to be President than McCain on day one...Forget the bull being pushed by pundits...

In my humble opinion, his tenure as a Senator has far more relevance for the Presidency that the Governor from Alaska managing a grand total of 50 state employees..I mean really, She has been in this gig 18 months...At the time she was Mayor, the population was around 5,500 people...Now that doesn't mean she can't be good at what she does but do you really think that qualifies her to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency?...God forbid something happens to McCain, can you sleep at night thinking she might the answering the proverbial 3 am phone call...You feel comfy with her sitting across from Putin?...

She has Zero foreign policy experience...She traveled overseas once in her lifetime...Obama monthly campaign budget is three times that of Alaska's annual budget...Lets talk judgment...During her most recent pregnancy, her water broke while in Texas and she decided to board an airplane back to Alaska to have the baby...Her husband is a member of a political organization that are advocates for the secession of Alaska from the United States...Do we need to talk patriotism..

Sage, my thoughts are all over the place because I have not slept yet, been working all night...Tell you what, hit me back and lets get this going..I have more goods on her ineptness... I also have Obama's Senate accomplishments...

One thing I'll leave you with...McCain is reckless with this pick...Foolish as well...The entire Presidential campaign has been a referendum on Obama... He has changed the tenor of the campaign with this pick...Now the campaign is a referendum on his pick and his judgment for making such a pick...Talk of his reckless days as a fighter pilot where he didn't take the time to learn to properly fly his airplane or use his instruments...What's his moto? A Leader you can believe in??? You must be kidding..





[Edited by - holfresh on 09-03-2008 10:31 AM]

the comparison for president should not be between palin and obama. or biden and mccain. it should be between mccain and obama. george bush senior picked dan quayle, didn't effect him at all.

on a side note, CNN and foxnews are so biased in their reporting it's comical. CNN is pro democrat while foxnews is pro republican. just even in the wording of questions. for example, when palin was selected, CNN asks "will this hurt the republican party" - it's already geared towards the negative. while foxnews asks "how will this help the republican party." it's amazing.

i look forward to these debates. i was very into the bush/gore debates and then when gore lost, i was upset enough to boycott voting 4 years later. but now i'm into it again b/c i think this is an interesting race. imho, right now, i think it's a close race. is america ready to put it's faith in a guy that one, is a man of color, and two, does not have the resume yet? regardless, if you're in the ny area, then who we vote for won't matter b/c the tri-state area will vote democrat. but i'm very interested in what the rest of america thinks...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-03-2008 11:15 AM]

Posted by djsunyc:

the comparison for president should not be between palin and obama. or biden and mccain. it should be between mccain and obama. george bush senior picked dan quayle effect him at all.

on a side note, CNN and foxnews are so biased in their reporting it's comical. CNN is pro democrat while foxnews is pro republican. just even in the wording of questions. for example, when palin was selected, CNN asks "will this hurt the republican party" - it's already geared towards the negative. while foxnews asks "how will this help the republican party." it's amazing.

i look forward to these debates. i was very into the bush/gore debates and then when gore lost, i was upset enough to boycott voting 4 years later. but now i'm into it again b/c i think this is an interesting race. imho, right now, i think it's a close race. is america ready to put it's faith in a guy that one, is a man of color, and two, does not have the resume yet? regardless, if you're in the ny area, then who we vote for won't matter b/c the tri-state area will vote democrat. but i'm very interested in what the rest of america thinks...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-03-2008 10:43 AM]

Preach it, broseph. Rare to find political discourse that is impossible to disagree with.

Holfresh spitting fire!

DJ,

CNN, Foxnews, MSN, are just corporate shills and offer absolutely nothing resembling insightful and unbiased reporting. Though Foxnews is by far the biggest offender now they don't even bother with pretenses.

Bill Maher is the only person I really enjoy watching because he does offer both Conservative, Moderate, and Liberal guests.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 09-03-2008 11:18 AM]

Posted by djsunyc:

the comparison for president should not be between palin and obama. or biden and mccain. it should be between mccain and obama. george bush senior picked dan quayle effect him at all.

on a side note, CNN and foxnews are so biased in their reporting it's comical. CNN is pro democrat while foxnews is pro republican. just even in the wording of questions. for example, when palin was selected, CNN asks "will this hurt the republican party" - it's already geared towards the negative. while foxnews asks "how will this help the republican party." it's amazing.

i look forward to these debates. i was very into the bush/gore debates and then when gore lost, i was upset enough to boycott voting 4 years later. but now i'm into it again b/c i think this is an interesting race. imho, right now, i think it's a close race. is america ready to put it's faith in a guy that one, is a man of color, and two, does not have the resume yet? regardless, if you're in the ny area, then who we vote for won't matter b/c the tri-state area will vote democrat. but i'm very interested in what the rest of america thinks...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-03-2008 10:43 AM]

Good post man. Especially about the media bias. It's amazing how one sided our news is nowadays. I find myself watching CNN and Fox and telling myself, "listen to the facts and not the opinion". It's crazy how our media outlets have picked sides and will spend the next 4 years after the election supporting that side for the next election

imho, the pick of palin was about *change*.

the entire democratic platform is about change. well the republicans can now say they are doing the same thing.

briggs has it right, these conventions and stuff are not for those that are educated in politics. it's for the person that doesn't know sh t. when someone doesn't know too much about something, you have to convince them. and in this day and age, you convince them with flash and style over substance. that's how you get a vote. briggs called it a glorified popularity contest, and that's what it is. people will vote for what they know and who they relate to.

did the democrats really have to put their convention in an 80,000 seat arena? did they have to make it a party atmosphere? no, but they did it to show that they are the party of "change". it's all just a show.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 09-03-2008 11:34 AM]

THat video tribute to Reagen last nite was pathetic. They try to make McCain into a Regan wannabe.

I thought Obama linking himself to a young Bill Clinton was interesting. Gore could not detach himself enough in 2000 yet Bush looks so bad he makes Bill Clinton look good in retrospect.

Yesterday, that pundit on MSNBC with the beard (I forget is name) who always brings up statistics/numbers about polling was suggesting that what's being lost in some of the discussion is that McCain is in serious trouble in states that are traditionally Republican bases, in part because of his poor showing with conservative Christians, increased voter registration amongst Democrats, and expected high turnout of African-American voters in those states with a high % of this population.

He argued that traditional Republican "base" States like Virginia, Iowa, Colorado, North Carolina, and maybe even Georgia (I believe, amongst others too), are now completely up for grabs and could be more decisive than the old "swing" states we have been trained to think of from the last two elections.

If Obama wins just one of those listed states, and say New Mexico (which went to Gore in 2000, and Obama has recently been up by as much as 13 points) it might be lights out for McCain, even if he manages to win big swing states like Florida (where he's been up by as much as 7 points, but now it's dead even) and Ohio (which is also dead even).