Knicks · This is a horrible day. (page 3)

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by GKFv2:

Anything less than LeBron is failure? Really? Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, whoever wouldn't be better than you boys Randolph and Crawford? Get back to reality. You don;t build a team around those losers. I don't care if we sign nobody from now till 2050. A deal like this gives the team more room to operate with and once you're under the cap anything can happen. LeBron James is not the only prize of 2010. If you care so much about Randolph and Crawford, go follow their teams on the West Coast because them and their history of losing with the Knicks will not be missed.

Who said anything about building around Zach and Crawford? Actually read my post and then comment, that is how this whole forum thing works.

Who in the blue hell would have given us a star or a first rounder for either of those two? What is this demand for them that you speak of?

I just dont understand where you're going with this stance of yours. Your criticizing Walsh for something thats non-existent.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by sebstar:

C'mon dog, I dont think you even believe what you're typing. You're just digging in you heels at this point.

Doesnt make sense, where the hell were we going with these two? Plus, for so long there were so many people here that were convinced we couldnt trade these guys for anything! Not only to we trade them, but we put ourselves in position to be players in potentially the greatest free agent market of all time. Now you want superstars back? Get real.

And even if we dont get Labron. A combo of say: Bosh and Joe Johnson or Wade and Amare works and is a hell of a lot better than what we've been working with --- dont you think?

Bosh and Joe Johnson are going to come here now? Wade and Amare are going to stand up and say lets go to the Knicks?? When we have no star players to speak of? And other teams will have the players to attract them?? And now your saying I have to get real? Bookmark it.

Alright, now you're just being dense.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by GKFv2:

Anything less than LeBron is failure? Really? Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, whoever wouldn't be better than you boys Randolph and Crawford? Get back to reality. You don;t build a team around those losers. I don't care if we sign nobody from now till 2050. A deal like this gives the team more room to operate with and once you're under the cap anything can happen. LeBron James is not the only prize of 2010. If you care so much about Randolph and Crawford, go follow their teams on the West Coast because them and their history of losing with the Knicks will not be missed.

Who said anything about building around Zach and Crawford? Actually read my post and then comment, that is how this whole forum thing works.

subzero, u said if we don't get Lebron any alternative would not be acceptable... is that right or am i misquoting u here?

So let me put this in big black and white, we are not going to get LeBron. Do you hear that MS, we are not going to be able to get Lebron (I know your reading this.) and anyone less is a failure.

i couldn't disagree w/u more... whether we get Lebron or not, this was the correct move to make... we now have so many options available to us that we didn't have before... Zach & Jamal weren't gonna lead this team anywhere... we needed to make a trade like this to open up other options in the coming years... now all that's left to do is dump Curry & to make sure we make good use of the draft pick this year.

If we dont get Lebron, how many of those options are going to enable us to win a championship? Our goal isnt to make the playoffs year after year only to be smacked down by better teams (ask D'Antoni and Walsh about this, they know it well). Our goal is to win a championship.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by GKFv2:

Anything less than LeBron is failure? Really? Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, whoever wouldn't be better than you boys Randolph and Crawford? Get back to reality. You don;t build a team around those losers. I don't care if we sign nobody from now till 2050. A deal like this gives the team more room to operate with and once you're under the cap anything can happen. LeBron James is not the only prize of 2010. If you care so much about Randolph and Crawford, go follow their teams on the West Coast because them and their history of losing with the Knicks will not be missed.

Who said anything about building around Zach and Crawford? Actually read my post and then comment, that is how this whole forum thing works.

subzero, u said if we don't get Lebron any alternative would not be acceptable... is that right or am i misquoting u here?

So let me put this in big black and white, we are not going to get LeBron. Do you hear that MS, we are not going to be able to get Lebron (I know your reading this.) and anyone less is a failure.

i couldn't disagree w/u more... whether we get Lebron or not, this was the correct move to make... we now have so many options available to us that we didn't have before... Zach & Jamal weren't gonna lead this team anywhere... we needed to make a trade like this to open up other options in the coming years... now all that's left to do is dump Curry & to make sure we make good use of the draft pick this year.

If we dont get Lebron, how many of those options are going to enable us to win a championship? Our goal isnt to make the playoffs year after year only to be smacked down by better teams (ask D'Antoni and Walsh about this, they know it well). Our goal is to win a championship.

ur telling me that if we get Bosh & D Wade to come here & sign up a guy like Nash to the MLE (by then he might be open to a contract of that level to come play for a championship & for his former favorite head coach), & combine those guys w/a lottery talent in this year's draft like a Blake Griffin, Hasheem Thabeet, Demar Derozan, BJ Mullens, Brandon Jennings, etc., along w/the guys we already have on the roster like Chandler, Nate, Lee & Gallo, that we won't have a team that could seriously contend for an NBA title?

u just said it urself, our goal is to win a championship... why is getting rid of Zach & Jamal a bad thing when that's our supposed goal? those guys werent' gonna lead us to any titles, i think that much has been abundantly clear since they got here.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-21-2008 7:22 PM]

This original post is an epic fail. Thanks. This is the best day for the Knicks this decade.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by GKFv2:

Anything less than LeBron is failure? Really? Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, whoever wouldn't be better than you boys Randolph and Crawford? Get back to reality. You don;t build a team around those losers. I don't care if we sign nobody from now till 2050. A deal like this gives the team more room to operate with and once you're under the cap anything can happen. LeBron James is not the only prize of 2010. If you care so much about Randolph and Crawford, go follow their teams on the West Coast because them and their history of losing with the Knicks will not be missed.

Who said anything about building around Zach and Crawford? Actually read my post and then comment, that is how this whole forum thing works.

subzero, u said if we don't get Lebron any alternative would not be acceptable... is that right or am i misquoting u here?

So let me put this in big black and white, we are not going to get LeBron. Do you hear that MS, we are not going to be able to get Lebron (I know your reading this.) and anyone less is a failure.

i couldn't disagree w/u more... whether we get Lebron or not, this was the correct move to make... we now have so many options available to us that we didn't have before... Zach & Jamal weren't gonna lead this team anywhere... we needed to make a trade like this to open up other options in the coming years... now all that's left to do is dump Curry & to make sure we make good use of the draft pick this year.

If we dont get Lebron, how many of those options are going to enable us to win a championship? Our goal isnt to make the playoffs year after year only to be smacked down by better teams (ask D'Antoni and Walsh about this, they know it well). Our goal is to win a championship.

ur telling me that if we get Bosh & D Wade to come here & sign up a guy like Nash to the MLE (by then he might be open to a contract of that level to come play for a championship & for his former favorite head coach), & combine those guys w/a lottery talent in this year's draft like a Blake Griffin, Hasheem Thabeet, Demar Derozan, BJ Mullens, Brandon Jennings, etc., along w/the guys we already have on the roster like Chandler, Nate, Lee & Gallo, that we won't have a team that could seriously contend for an NBA title?

[Edited by - TMS on 11-21-2008 7:21 PM]

You see the problem here TMS is that these are a lot of if's. Lets go through them shall we.


if we get Bosh
if we get D Wade
if we get Nash if he wants to sign for the MLE
if we get an attractive player in this years draft
if we were able to resign Nate
if we were able to resign Lee
if Gallo ever becomes a player

Lets watch D Wade and Marion play this year. Lets watch Nash, Amare and Shaq play this year. Lets watch Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal play this year. Do you truly believe that they will win a championship? No? Why not, they are playing with star players right? Whats that, oh, they are not playing with a championship level player, thats why.

You see friends the only way to build a team properly to win a championship is with a good foundation. Architects dont build from the top down, they build from the bottom up. We need LeBron, but anyone who looks at this situation can see that we will not get him. So, what's plan B? Gather assets and trade them for higher value talent, build up. That is what today's moves failed to address. The draft really is our only escape, too bad we didnt get any picks.

We have actually made getting a championship harder to attain. I know today it is hard to see, but soon it will become aparent. Fools gold. Bookmark it.

I am trying to warn you

There were no "ifs" when it came to Crawford and Randolph. They werent winning jack shyt. Guaranteed.

There are so many ifs that are possible now that there's no way we can't put something together.

Posted by VDesai:

There are so many ifs that are possible now that there's no way we can't put something together.

Oh yea! No doubt we will be able to put something together, no doubt!

Say it with me now, "The goal is to win a championship". Not to just put something together, again Walsh and D'Antoni are the authorities on this putting things together with no championship to show, ask them about it.

Posted by sebstar:

There were no "ifs" when it came to Crawford and Randolph. They werent winning jack shyt. Guaranteed.

Agreed. But these were the wrong moves to make. Read my above "if" post in its entirety.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by VDesai:

There are so many ifs that are possible now that there's no way we can't put something together.

Oh yea! No doubt we will be able to put something together, no doubt!

Say it with me now, "The goal is to win a championship". Not to just put something together, again Walsh and D'Antoni are the authorities on this putting things together with no championship to show, ask them about it.

You really think we're gonna be sitting on our asses and not build a contending roster? The goal is to win a championship and this is the FIRST move we've made in 10 years that is an actual means to that goal.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by GKFv2:

Anything less than LeBron is failure? Really? Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, whoever wouldn't be better than you boys Randolph and Crawford? Get back to reality. You don;t build a team around those losers. I don't care if we sign nobody from now till 2050. A deal like this gives the team more room to operate with and once you're under the cap anything can happen. LeBron James is not the only prize of 2010. If you care so much about Randolph and Crawford, go follow their teams on the West Coast because them and their history of losing with the Knicks will not be missed.

Who said anything about building around Zach and Crawford? Actually read my post and then comment, that is how this whole forum thing works.

subzero, u said if we don't get Lebron any alternative would not be acceptable... is that right or am i misquoting u here?

So let me put this in big black and white, we are not going to get LeBron. Do you hear that MS, we are not going to be able to get Lebron (I know your reading this.) and anyone less is a failure.

i couldn't disagree w/u more... whether we get Lebron or not, this was the correct move to make... we now have so many options available to us that we didn't have before... Zach & Jamal weren't gonna lead this team anywhere... we needed to make a trade like this to open up other options in the coming years... now all that's left to do is dump Curry & to make sure we make good use of the draft pick this year.

If we dont get Lebron, how many of those options are going to enable us to win a championship? Our goal isnt to make the playoffs year after year only to be smacked down by better teams (ask D'Antoni and Walsh about this, they know it well). Our goal is to win a championship.

ur telling me that if we get Bosh & D Wade to come here & sign up a guy like Nash to the MLE (by then he might be open to a contract of that level to come play for a championship & for his former favorite head coach), & combine those guys w/a lottery talent in this year's draft like a Blake Griffin, Hasheem Thabeet, Demar Derozan, BJ Mullens, Brandon Jennings, etc., along w/the guys we already have on the roster like Chandler, Nate, Lee & Gallo, that we won't have a team that could seriously contend for an NBA title?

[Edited by - TMS on 11-21-2008 7:21 PM]

You see the problem here TMS is that these are a lot of if's. Lets go through them shall we.


if we get Bosh
if we get D Wade
if we get Nash if he wants to sign for the MLE
if we get an attractive player in this years draft
if we were able to resign Nate
if we were able to resign Lee
if Gallo ever becomes a player

Lets watch D Wade and Marion play this year. Lets watch Nash, Amare and Shaq play this year. Lets watch Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal play this year. Do you truly believe that they will win a championship? No? Why not, they are playing with star players right? Whats that, oh, they are not playing with a championship level player, thats why.

You see friends the only way to build a team properly to win a championship is with a good foundation. Architects dont build from the top down, they build from the bottom up. We need LeBron, but anyone who looks at this situation can see that we will not get him. So, what's plan B? Gather assets and trade them for higher value talent, build up. That is what today's moves failed to address. The draft really is our only escape, too bad we didnt get any picks.

We have actually made getting a championship harder to attain. I know today it is hard to see, but soon it will become aparent. Fools gold. Bookmark it.

i don't see how u can reason that we just made it harder on ourselves to acquire a franchise championship calibre player in the draft by making these trades... if anything it helps our chances of landing 1 w/the pick we already own for this year's draft... we didn't give up any picks in this trade & all the players we got back are pure stopgaps, not guys that are gonna improve us over the next year or 2... this is all about cap room & flexibility, it has no negative effect at all on our draft positioning this year, if anything it will improve it.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by sebstar:

There were no "ifs" when it came to Crawford and Randolph. They werent winning jack shyt. Guaranteed.

Agreed. But these were the wrong moves to make. Read my above "if" post in its entirety.

No they weren't. Writing in bold doesn't make you right.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by GKFv2:

Anything less than LeBron is failure? Really? Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, whoever wouldn't be better than you boys Randolph and Crawford? Get back to reality. You don;t build a team around those losers. I don't care if we sign nobody from now till 2050. A deal like this gives the team more room to operate with and once you're under the cap anything can happen. LeBron James is not the only prize of 2010. If you care so much about Randolph and Crawford, go follow their teams on the West Coast because them and their history of losing with the Knicks will not be missed.

Who said anything about building around Zach and Crawford? Actually read my post and then comment, that is how this whole forum thing works.

subzero, u said if we don't get Lebron any alternative would not be acceptable... is that right or am i misquoting u here?

So let me put this in big black and white, we are not going to get LeBron. Do you hear that MS, we are not going to be able to get Lebron (I know your reading this.) and anyone less is a failure.

i couldn't disagree w/u more... whether we get Lebron or not, this was the correct move to make... we now have so many options available to us that we didn't have before... Zach & Jamal weren't gonna lead this team anywhere... we needed to make a trade like this to open up other options in the coming years... now all that's left to do is dump Curry & to make sure we make good use of the draft pick this year.

If we dont get Lebron, how many of those options are going to enable us to win a championship? Our goal isnt to make the playoffs year after year only to be smacked down by better teams (ask D'Antoni and Walsh about this, they know it well). Our goal is to win a championship.

ur telling me that if we get Bosh & D Wade to come here & sign up a guy like Nash to the MLE (by then he might be open to a contract of that level to come play for a championship & for his former favorite head coach), & combine those guys w/a lottery talent in this year's draft like a Blake Griffin, Hasheem Thabeet, Demar Derozan, BJ Mullens, Brandon Jennings, etc., along w/the guys we already have on the roster like Chandler, Nate, Lee & Gallo, that we won't have a team that could seriously contend for an NBA title?

[Edited by - TMS on 11-21-2008 7:21 PM]

You see the problem here TMS is that these are a lot of if's. Lets go through them shall we.


if we get Bosh
if we get D Wade
if we get Nash if he wants to sign for the MLE
if we get an attractive player in this years draft
if we were able to resign Nate
if we were able to resign Lee
if Gallo ever becomes a player

Lets watch D Wade and Marion play this year. Lets watch Nash, Amare and Shaq play this year. Lets watch Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal play this year. Do you truly believe that they will win a championship? No? Why not, they are playing with star players right? Whats that, oh, they are not playing with a championship level player, thats why.

You see friends the only way to build a team properly to win a championship is with a good foundation. Architects dont build from the top down, they build from the bottom up. We need LeBron, but anyone who looks at this situation can see that we will not get him. So, what's plan B? Gather assets and trade them for higher value talent, build up. That is what today's moves failed to address. The draft really is our only escape, too bad we didnt get any picks.

We have actually made getting a championship harder to attain. I know today it is hard to see, but soon it will become aparent. Fools gold. Bookmark it.

i don't see how u can reason that we just made it harder on ourselves to acquire a franchise championship calibre player in the draft by making these trades... if anything it helps our chances of landing 1 w/the pick we already own for this year's draft... we didn't give up any picks in this trade & all the players we got back are pure stopgaps, not guys that are gonna improve us over the next year or 2... this is all about cap room & flexibility, it has no negative effect at all on our draft positioning this year, if anything it will improve it.

I see what your saying, but we shot ourselves in the foot by not bringing anyone of higher value back and not bringing back any 1st round picks. Of what use is cap room and flexibility if nobody on the championship level is going to want to play here? That is the point.

we still have D Lee & Nate to work deals with if that's how Walsh wants to go about it... Curry & D Lee should be able to net us another pick easily if u ask me... point is Walsh has a plan & now i know he's got the balls to actually follow through on it... how long has it been since we've been able to say that around here?

Posted by TMS:

we still have D Lee & Nate to work deals with if that's how Walsh wants to go about it... Curry & D Lee should be able to net us another pick easily if u ask me... point is Walsh has a plan & now i know he's got the balls to actually follow through on it... how long has it been since we've been able to say that around here?

Very shaky argument given D Lee and Nate might not even resign with us this summer.

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TMS:

we still have D Lee & Nate to work deals with if that's how Walsh wants to go about it... Curry & D Lee should be able to net us another pick easily if u ask me... point is Walsh has a plan & now i know he's got the balls to actually follow through on it... how long has it been since we've been able to say that around here?

Very shaky argument given D Lee and Nate might not even resign with us this summer.

before today u woulda told me that trading Zach & Jamal for expiring deals in 2010 was a shaky argument too... now we got people talking about Bosh, Lebron, Wade, etc. around here... things can change in an eyeblink & i have every faith that Walsh is gonna look to trade either Lee or Nate this year for another pick or young player who can factor into the team's future beyond this season.

I guess there always has to be one antagonist.

You know who agrees with the topic creator? I'll give you a hint: He frequently uses dumb nicknames like D'Antoni Danza.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 11-21-2008 11:23 PM]

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by subzero0:

Posted by GKFv2:

Anything less than LeBron is failure? Really? Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, whoever wouldn't be better than you boys Randolph and Crawford? Get back to reality. You don;t build a team around those losers. I don't care if we sign nobody from now till 2050. A deal like this gives the team more room to operate with and once you're under the cap anything can happen. LeBron James is not the only prize of 2010. If you care so much about Randolph and Crawford, go follow their teams on the West Coast because them and their history of losing with the Knicks will not be missed.

Who said anything about building around Zach and Crawford? Actually read my post and then comment, that is how this whole forum thing works.

subzero, u said if we don't get Lebron any alternative would not be acceptable... is that right or am i misquoting u here?

So let me put this in big black and white, we are not going to get LeBron. Do you hear that MS, we are not going to be able to get Lebron (I know your reading this.) and anyone less is a failure.

i couldn't disagree w/u more... whether we get Lebron or not, this was the correct move to make... we now have so many options available to us that we didn't have before... Zach & Jamal weren't gonna lead this team anywhere... we needed to make a trade like this to open up other options in the coming years... now all that's left to do is dump Curry & to make sure we make good use of the draft pick this year.

If we dont get Lebron, how many of those options are going to enable us to win a championship? Our goal isnt to make the playoffs year after year only to be smacked down by better teams (ask D'Antoni and Walsh about this, they know it well). Our goal is to win a championship.

ur telling me that if we get Bosh & D Wade to come here & sign up a guy like Nash to the MLE (by then he might be open to a contract of that level to come play for a championship & for his former favorite head coach), & combine those guys w/a lottery talent in this year's draft like a Blake Griffin, Hasheem Thabeet, Demar Derozan, BJ Mullens, Brandon Jennings, etc., along w/the guys we already have on the roster like Chandler, Nate, Lee & Gallo, that we won't have a team that could seriously contend for an NBA title?

u just said it urself, our goal is to win a championship... why is getting rid of Zach & Jamal a bad thing when that's our supposed goal? those guys werent' gonna lead us to any titles, i think that much has been abundantly clear since they got here.

[Edited by - TMS on 11-21-2008 7:22 PM]

I gotta tell you guys, TMS makes the best case in what is to come. The key is 'our options are wide open'. If we get Lebron and another star and have something built around them, then we have a legit shot. And if we don't get Lebron, we most certainly can get about ten quality players, including two star like Bosh, Wade. And why should building a championship team stop there. There is another year after all this takes place to find even more talent.

You have to sign fair talent to minimum contracts, so they run out in time to get them. That is the way you protect the money. So far, in five signings, we can definately see that this is what Walsh is doing. Roberson, Duhon, Mobley, Harrington and Thomas all run out on time to the sweepstakes.

Some of us keep on explaining this over and over again and a again it just doesn't seem to get through some of these thick skulls.