His punishment--losing tens of millions of dollars--losing his job[s] his house and going to jail is far beyond a punishment that involved dog fighting. His whole life tarnished for this? Thats is insane and wrong. He shouldve had to do community service and pay a very stiff fine--that is what you get for first offenses in most every case that is not a serious felony. He made a bad mistake but you dont drag him through the gutter for it. They are making him pay 1mm $ so the dogs can live in luxury? How stupid is that?
You get fined for what aren't serious felony's, but the problem with that is that he commited a serious felony, and it should be a serious felony. And it's not giving dogs luxary. It's protecting them and PEOPLE from being brutally murdered. He's also being charged for racketeering, so he's involved in A LOT of serious trouble. What he did was putrid and despicable. Does he deserve more than a few years? No, but he deserves jail time and he absolutely deserves a tarnished reputation. He's just as bad as Pacman Jones, in my mind, if not almost as bad.
To top it off, it's jackarses like him that have helped the rise of BSL, which is short for Breed Specific Legislation. Look it up.
Briggs, did you see that piece on ESPN, a year and a half ago (When the allegations first started) where they actually showed some of the Michael Vick dog fights. It wasn't something for the light hearted. If you don't think what he was in charge of, was a serious felony or should be, then I don't know what to say about you.
I have to disagree here, Briggs. This is a pretty light penalty for a murderer.
It was more than just dogfighting. It was torture, and in the worst way.
Don't forget illegal gambling etc. Harsh sentence but the easiest way to avoid harsh sentences like this is to not get in trouble in the first place
sometimes people are held accountable for their mistakes in life... i know that's a hard concept for professional athletes & celebrities to understand but there are actual real life consequences for your actions that u have to deal with when u make the wrong choices.
A guy who mistreats animals is the lowest form of life. One that is capable of murdering an animal is capable of murdering a human being. This wasn't hunting deer. He deliberately killed these animals for no reason.
He killed them for money, but that's not a good reason.
Posted by BRIGGS:
His punishment--losing tens of millions of dollars--losing his job[s] his house and going to jail is far beyond a punishment that involved dog fighting. His whole life tarnished for this? Thats is insane and wrong. He shouldve had to do community service and pay a very stiff fine--that is what you get for first offenses in most every case that is not a serious felony. He made a bad mistake but you dont drag him through the gutter for it. They are making him pay 1mm $ so the dogs can live in luxury? How stupid is that?
Dude it's not the money people are after. They want suffering. Millions of dog lovers out there want blood and the least vick can do is give some back. Don't go to bat for this guy. Let him take his beating and let him show that he doesn't deserve to say a thing against it. I wonder about people who defend scum like this.
I believe he should get a second chance, but only and only if he shows that he is remorseful. And I don't mean in one week. It's going to take years to forgive what he did. And if he and people like you try to sweep it under the rug, then you got another thing coming man. Don't defend this kind of person. He's sick and needs help. And you know the public isn't going to be so forgiving. It's coming.
You under estimate dog lovers (animal lovers). Do you have any passion for living things with emotion and suffering they may go through? This is why I don't mind groups such as
PETA. There's a lot of pain and suffering going on in the food industry that most people don't even want to hear about. But when 'mans best friend' is tortured to death like that, people just aren't going to take it.
Vick is the official poster boy for that movement now. Too bad all way round.
[Edited by - 4949 on 11-26-2008 12:38 AM]
Posted by jaydh:
It was more than just dogfighting. It was torture, and in the worst way.
And it isn't just about the dogs. It's about the person. A lot of people who kill animals like that, those kinds of people are capable of going into strange places in their heads. The money and his career is the last thing on people's minds. They want to know who this guy is.
The severity of obstruction of justice in a rackateering case is what the penalties got piled on and he lost his money. Two years is kind of light. The financial hit was was big, because he made his money legit, but the laws are laws.
I think he got in with some bad people and could not plea his way out without getting phucked up by those people. At best it all got out of hand and he thought he was above it all. Sad story no doubt.
One more thing. Briggs, you don't think he should have lost his house? When people get busted for possesion of drugs, they lose their houses. When people have labs in their homes, in order to cook coke and heroin, they absolutely lose their houses. You don't think somebody would lose their home, if it was found to be an slaughter/torture house? Dogs were found dead and burried in his backyard.
It's like what 4949 says. The man is sick and needs A LOT of help. But then again, so do just about all people, whom I think torture animals.
Vick got what he deserved. And make no mistake, Michael Vick did this to himself.
Now if only they could do the same to the people who put us into this economic mess instead of watching them walk off with hundreds of millions in Golden Parachutes.
Posted by Allanfan20:
One more thing. Briggs, you don't think he should have lost his house? When people get busted for possesion of drugs, they lose their houses. When people have labs in their homes, in order to cook coke and heroin, they absolutely lose their houses. You don't think somebody would lose their home, if it was found to be an slaughter/torture house? Dogs were found dead and burried in his backyard.
It's like what 4949 says. The man is sick and needs A LOT of help. But then again, so do just about all people, whom I think torture animals.
No I don't think a man should lose his home and job over this. He should've paid a stiff fine[1mm$] and be put on 5 years probation and lose his ability to ever own another pet. What he did was horribly wrong but the punishment was way to severe. They did not weigh punishment vs crime. An animal is not a human and while he acted inhumane--how about the hundreds of thousands of dollars M Vick had given to charities that directly effected poor people. Does that way in punishment?
1 million dollars 5 years full probation and maximum community service--that fits the crime
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Allanfan20:
One more thing. Briggs, you don't think he should have lost his house? When people get busted for possesion of drugs, they lose their houses. When people have labs in their homes, in order to cook coke and heroin, they absolutely lose their houses. You don't think somebody would lose their home, if it was found to be an slaughter/torture house? Dogs were found dead and burried in his backyard.
It's like what 4949 says. The man is sick and needs A LOT of help. But then again, so do just about all people, whom I think torture animals.
No I don't think a man should lose his home and job over this. He should've paid a stiff fine[1mm$] and be put on 5 years probation and lose his ability to ever own another pet. What he did was horribly wrong but the punishment was way to severe. They did not weigh punishment vs crime. An animal is not a human and while he acted inhumane--how about the hundreds of thousands of dollars M Vick had given to charities that directly effected poor people. Does that way in punishment?
1 million dollars 5 years full probation and maximum community service--that fits the crime
Briggs he did more than just abuse dogs
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Allanfan20:
One more thing. Briggs, you don't think he should have lost his house? When people get busted for possesion of drugs, they lose their houses. When people have labs in their homes, in order to cook coke and heroin, they absolutely lose their houses. You don't think somebody would lose their home, if it was found to be an slaughter/torture house? Dogs were found dead and burried in his backyard.
It's like what 4949 says. The man is sick and needs A LOT of help. But then again, so do just about all people, whom I think torture animals.
No I don't think a man should lose his home and job over this. He should've paid a stiff fine[1mm$] and be put on 5 years probation and lose his ability to ever own another pet. What he did was horribly wrong but the punishment was way to severe. They did not weigh punishment vs crime. An animal is not a human and while he acted inhumane--how about the hundreds of thousands of dollars M Vick had given to charities that directly effected poor people. Does that way in punishment?
1 million dollars 5 years full probation and maximum community service--that fits the crime
He lost the home where he was doing these illegal and deplorable things. He still has other homes and he's not penniless. His job was a very exclusive one, in an industry that demands morality in keeping up with public perceptions as it relates to it's bottom line. His livelihood as an NFL QB was not guaranteed. He was very lucky to be in the position that he was in and he messed it all up. Nobody is stopping him from having a life when he's out of prison. Nobody will object to him getting a job where he makes an average salary. And if he's capable of playing at an NFL level and he can find a team willing to take him and live with the negative press, then more power to him.
You honestly think that a guy worth tens of millions of dollars is going to hurt even a little bit by paying a $1M fine? Probation and community service is a joke for the kinds of depravity that Vick exhibited.
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Allanfan20:
One more thing. Briggs, you don't think he should have lost his house? When people get busted for possesion of drugs, they lose their houses. When people have labs in their homes, in order to cook coke and heroin, they absolutely lose their houses. You don't think somebody would lose their home, if it was found to be an slaughter/torture house? Dogs were found dead and burried in his backyard.
It's like what 4949 says. The man is sick and needs A LOT of help. But then again, so do just about all people, whom I think torture animals.
No I don't think a man should lose his home and job over this. He should've paid a stiff fine[1mm$] and be put on 5 years probation and lose his ability to ever own another pet. What he did was horribly wrong but the punishment was way to severe. They did not weigh punishment vs crime. An animal is not a human and while he acted inhumane--how about the hundreds of thousands of dollars M Vick had given to charities that directly effected poor people. Does that way in punishment?
1 million dollars 5 years full probation and maximum community service--that fits the crime
A dog is not a human, but in the eyes of the law, they still have rights. Animals are protected, just as humans are, and they should be. And to top it off, he was being far beyond abusive. He was being a murderer. Like I said, did you see any of those clips on ESPN? Make your arguement after you watch those.
And who cares about the charity the Vick gave to? If I give 5 dollars to a homeless guy and then kick my dog real hard in order to get another $5 back, does that make me a good person? No. And those hundreds of thousands that you claim he gave is PENNY CHANGE, compared to what he actually had and he will still have plenty when he gets out of jail.
And his house was the scene of illegal crime businesses and illegal gambling. People go to jail for that and lose their houses for stuff like that. Vich isn't, nor shouldn't, be an exception. Dog fighting is an illegal business. Same thing as drug dealing. If that's what you're using your house for, then you have every right to have it taken away as well.
It is what it is Briggs.
Michael Vick did the following:
-Abused, torured, murdered animals.
-Became a danger to society b/c of what he turned his dogs into.
-Gambled illegally.
-Racketeered.
There's no way around it. He deserves what he gets and then some.
You have no arguement here Briggs.
You may not agree with the law, but the law is the law. You obey or you pay the consequences. If you don't agree with the law then fight it in the courts. Vick had enough money to do this. Instead he just decided to break the law.
The problem is that it seems that some people on this board purely think it is sport, that animals are overvalued and that there's nothing wrong with it. It's unclear if this is Briggs thinking. In any case, this is a disturbing and sickening situation. Personally, I think he should spend the rest of his life in jail to be fair.
