burnett vs. boston: 5-0 2.56
vs. tampa: 3-2 2.98
8-2 with a 2.75 era vs. boston + tampa with a piss poor lineup in toronto. 5 years is crazy tho...
[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-11-2008 11:44 AM]
I'm actually not disturbed by this trade like most here. Cameron's basically an .800 OPS guy, which is a little below average for a CFer but not a lot, and it's also an upgrade from what we had at CF last year. If Cameron's going to help ease CC's transition, then getting Cameron could really payoff. They'll need major upgrades elsewhere in the offense, though.
The Mike Cameron trade is not done and may not get done.
The Yankees will need to have a change of heart for it to happen, one source familiar with the discussion said.
The Brewers are asking for a second player in addition to Melky Cabrera. The Yankees want the Brewers to pay a portion of Cameron's $10 million salary.
Milwaukee is not inclined to fulfill that request at a time when the Yankees are on the verge of paying over $200 million for pitchers CC Sabathia and A.J. Burnett.
The New York Post first reported the possibility of a Cameron-Cabrera swap on Nov. 6 from the GM Meetings and reported Thursday that the deal was "close."
Cameron could make the transition to New York easier for CC Sabathia — who the Yankees reached an agreement with Wednesday. Cameron played with the Mets from 2004-2005, so he knows the city. He quickly became Sabathia's pal in Milwaukee after the Brewers obtained him last July from the Indians.
I love the trade to be honest. Melky is a bust. Cameron is a clubhouse guy.....you guys say a grinder, lol. That's new....well I guess you can call it that. I'm looking at a little speed and power. I loved Mike Cameron when he was with the Mets. He is what he is though. Its an upgrade still.
I think we as NY fans complain too much. That's why there is always a cloud of bad luck surrounding our clubs....
Like why does CC have to be a fat bastard 1 biscuit away from a heart attack? Lol....
Here's something to dwell.....Posada and Pudge.....who's the catcher? With Posada's injuries does he humble himself and just close out his career at 1st base?
As soon as I post that DJ steals my joy.
eny - pudge is not with the team anymore. he's a free agent. the starting catcher will be posada and the backup is molina.
Posted by BigRedDog:
We didn't pass on Santana because of Melky. We passed to keep Hughes and Kennedy. Melky sucked. Cameron is not ideal but better than Melky. Hopefully Gardner can show something.
not true.. going into last year Yanks were expecting huge things from Melky. Yanks hate Kennedy.
And Melky is so far from a bust. He was the best outfielder we had in this org and we replaced him with a 35 year old batting 240
Melky is nothing more than a 4th OFer or platoon. In 3 seasons, he has not gotten higher than a .751 ops, last yr not even cracking .700 ops. He's good defensively, but it ends there. Btw, it doesn't seem like the trade is going to happen.
I liked this deal and hope it does go through. Melky is basically a minor league level player. Good fielding but can't hit major league pitching. Cameron is the better offensive player (if you look at the right stats, it's not even close) and could have helped CC's transition. If the Brewers want another player in the deal, then obviously it depends on who that other player is.
the only reason they're discussing this is to make CC more comfortable... they're very close friends... stupid trade but Melky was nothing to get excited over regardless... Cameron's gonna be striking out a ton, so get your popcorn ready.
[Edited by - TMS on 12-11-2008 2:00 PM]
Not a huge fan of 35 yr. old Mike Cameron but whatever. Stopgap material until it's A-Jax time!
Was just in the car and heard Mike Francesa talking about the deal being on hold because the Yanks are actually looking for Milwaukee to kick in about $2 mil. to help pay part of Cameron's $10 mil. dollar deal. Don't really blame Milwaukee here - Francesa was saying it's crazy that the Yanks are asking for a poultry $2 mil. when we just outbid them by $61 million to get Sabathia. Not a fan of Francesa usually but I'd have to agree with him here. They're gonna get Cameron though - they're gonna need to in order for CC to sign on the dotted line I think. Whatever. Get it done and move on.
Francesa also saying Cash flew to Texas to meet with Pettitte to try and convince him to take a 1 yr., $10 million dollar deal..
Posted by Finestrg:
Not a huge fan of 35 yr. old Mike Cameron but whatever. Stopgap material until it's A-Jax time!
Was just in the car and heard Mike Francesa talking about the deal being on hold because the Yanks are actually looking for Milwaukee to kick in about $2 mil. to help pay part of Cameron's $10 mil. dollar deal.
Wow, talk about pouring salt in wounds. That's a bit classless.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Finestrg:
Not a huge fan of 35 yr. old Mike Cameron but whatever. Stopgap material until it's A-Jax time!
Was just in the car and heard Mike Francesa talking about the deal being on hold because the Yanks are actually looking for Milwaukee to kick in about $2 mil. to help pay part of Cameron's $10 mil. dollar deal.
Wow, talk about pouring salt in wounds. That's a bit classless.
I know right? I was a little embarrassed when I heard that. At this point, don't do anything to screw up having CC sign the contract now because in all likelyhood that's exactly what we're talking about here probably.
why is that classless? it's business... don't see any problems w/it... this is Mike Cameron we're talking about here... they SHOULD be paying us to take him off their hands if anything.
i'll tell u right now, i feel another Rondell White episode coming on w/Cameron... tons of strikeouts & shaky play in the OF... i hope i'm wrong.
Posted by Finestrg:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Finestrg:
Not a huge fan of 35 yr. old Mike Cameron but whatever. Stopgap material until it's A-Jax time!
Was just in the car and heard Mike Francesa talking about the deal being on hold because the Yanks are actually looking for Milwaukee to kick in about $2 mil. to help pay part of Cameron's $10 mil. dollar deal.
Wow, talk about pouring salt in wounds. That's a bit classless.
I know right? I was a little embarrassed when I heard that. At this point, don't do anything to screw up having CC sign the contract now because in all likelyhood that's exactly what we're talking about here probably.
Heck, ask CC if how important it is to have Cameron. If he says it is, ask him to sign for "only" $159 mil. Then you've got your 2 mil anyway.
The deal could very well not happen and that could very well make me happy.
There must be a better option out there.
I don't get the opposition to the trade. Do you really think Melky is better than Cameron? How many fewer games do you think they'll win next year if they do this trade than if they keep Melky?
Rondell White part deux
Posted by TMS:
Rondell White part deux
That's the worst case scenario but I'll repeat my question: How many fewer games would we win if we replaced Melky with Rondell White?
Posted by Bonn1997:
I don't get the opposition to the trade. Do you really think Melky is better than Cameron? How many fewer games do you think they'll win next year if they do this trade than if they keep Melky?
the opposition is ur wasting $10 million dollars to bring in a guy who strikes out 140 times a year, bats for a low average & who's defense has been on a decline over the past couple years... Melky's got just as good range in CF as Cameron does & a MUCH better arm, plus he's a switch hitter... they both are very sketchy offensively but at least Melky's cost controlled & cheap... Melky's not gonna hit for as much power as Cameron but are 10 HR's worth an extra $10 million dollars to you? & please don't come back w/some lame reply like "they do if those 10 HR's equate to 22.541% more wins next season"... the only reason this guy makes any sense is because it was part of getting CC to sign here... they're close friends & share the same agents... other than that, i see no reason why we would spend so much more for a marginal upgrade at best.
