Off Topic · OT: Hockey Fights (page 1)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOgkzVxD6cQ[/youtube]

Although it was cheap shot, the one at 2:20 is my personal favorite.

i don't get what the attraction is over watching a couple a goons go at it on the ice... & some of those cheap shots are nuts... those guys should be put in jail for some of that stuff, for real... totally uncalled for... this stuff shouldn't even be part of the sport yet the refs & the NHL allow it to go on because the fans eat it up... if i wanna watch real fighters in action i'll turn on an MMA fight or watch boxing.

MMA? Request granted.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0brtakDdMJs[/youtube]

[Edited by - K22 on 2009-05-03 7:17 PM]

Posted by TMS:

i don't get what the attraction is over watching a couple a goons go at it on the ice... & some of those cheap shots are nuts... those guys should be put in jail for some of that stuff, for real... totally uncalled for... this stuff shouldn't even be part of the sport yet the refs & the NHL allow it to go on because the fans eat it up... if i wanna watch real fighters in action i'll turn on an MMA fight or watch boxing.

cheapshots are never good, in any sport or any situation. but fighting is a part of hockey, it just IS. it's fun to see a fight or two every game or so.

that type of fighting u can watch at any shady bar in any town anywhere in the US... i can never understand the draw of watching it on the ice during a hockey game, but that's just me... probably 1 of the main reasons why i could never get into the sport... at least in MMA or boxing there's technique involved there... martial arts is an artform... this kind of fighting is whack.

its because of the nature of hockey, its a rough sport because you're on skates so your movements aren't as sharp as a basketball player, ice is slippery. so naturally there will be lots of contact and pushing and shoving, inadvertent or not, this leads to fights, so theyre a part of the game, and a fun one. no one gets hurt...sometimes you have a cheap shot or something but there is bad sportsmanship in every game. fighting is hockey



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-03-2009 8:51 PM]

the fact that these guys are playing on ice is even more reason to outlaw fighting in the sport... it's dangerous enough to be playing at high speed on ice, u don't need to add the violence factor in there as well... the bloodthirsty fans eat it up, so the NHL doesn't do anything about it.

whatever, if u enjoy watching it & love hockey, all power to you... just doesn't do it for me... IMO the only time i see refs standing there while 2 guys are squaring off should be in an octagon or boxing ring.

WOAHHHHHHHHHHH outlaw fighting in the sport!??! that is sacrilege!! who is anyone to say that something is too dangerous if the participants love it? its alwasy been a part of hockey and it doesnt harm society. hockey fighting was around way before these crimeridden times. its a wholesome way for men to participate in sport and get some fighting in without taking it out on the rest of society.

these crimeridden times?

huh?

Posted by PresIke:

these crimeridden times?

huh?

there is lots of crime nowadays. i blame video games and rap music and illicit substances.



this is a graph from wikipedia, violent crime rate, from the bureau of justice statistics.

there seems to be a dip in the 90's, maybe due to the economic prosperity of the decade.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-03-2009 10:46 PM]

Highlight fights are not that common. Cheapshots also, not common place.

no disrespect, but these are not considered the most crimeridden times at all.

some places like detroit, but in general certain "crimes" are lower.

plus there way too many people in jail for very very petty crimes.

things are always more complicated than the things you list.

how do you know it's not other factors that cause this? or if it is really as bad as you think.

do you live in a crimeridden area, or suffer crime directly?

that graph, which shows violent crime, cannot be disputed. maybe the types of crimes and areas of high crime have shifted over the years, but the trend seems to be towards higher violent crime as a nation-- even with the dip in the 90's and early 2000's, violent crime is still more than double that of the beginning of the graph. this graph is for violent crime.

we all suffer from violent crime. the financial burden effects everyone directly, the quality of life affects everyone directly.

[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-03-2009 10:55 PM]

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by PresIke:

these crimeridden times?

huh?

there is lots of crime nowadays. i blame video games and rap music and illicit substances.



this is a graph from wikipedia, violent crime rate, from the bureau of justice statistics.

there seems to be a dip in the 90's, maybe due to the economic prosperity of the decade.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-03-2009 10:46 PM]

dude, again, no disrespect, but i really think you may want to think a bit more carefully about the assumptions you are making.

first of all, wikipedia is NOT a good place to rely on any kind of statistics or many things for that matter.

however, even in this graph, crime has gone down since the early 1990s.

which is btw, when crime dropped around the country.

how do we even know what to call a "crimeridden" time? did the people back then think it was crime ridden? maybe it is the perception that it is crime ridden that is also important to consider. there is well supported evidence in psychology based on cultivation theory that says if you watch a lot of tv and see a lot of violence you are likely to think the world is more violent even than what you experience or see. see how people respond to the "swine flu epidemic." if you watch a lot of cable and corporate news you will hear about it constantly and in a way that helps keep people watching, which can be scaring viewers.

so if you watch a lot of this stuff you may start to think this is what it's like.

my point is i think the level of crime versus saftey that exists now is MUCH higher than other times.

at least we have some laws and enforcement (however corrupt they may be) to protect us, and there is at least some sense that it will do so. Crime in the U.S. is NOTHING compared to other nations today, especially risk of death by violence...it's not even close, I gather. also even in our romanticizing of the past as having less crime, the old west was a horrible place to live. you could get killed easily...that's one of the reasons a lot of people carried a gun, because it was too lawless. watch gangs of new york and tell me if you preferred to live in that kind of state, or as a person of african descent in the u.s. under jim crow in the south.

how did a hockey fights thread turn into a discussion on crime rates in America? lol.

how was crime reported then versus now and how might that affect the numbers?

are there more violent crime laws now that might lead to a higher rate?

Posted by PresIke:

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by PresIke:

these crimeridden times?

huh?

there is lots of crime nowadays. i blame video games and rap music and illicit substances.



this is a graph from wikipedia, violent crime rate, from the bureau of justice statistics.

there seems to be a dip in the 90's, maybe due to the economic prosperity of the decade.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-03-2009 10:46 PM]

dude, again, no disrespect, but i really think you may want to think a bit more carefully about the assumptions you are making.

first of all, wikipedia is NOT a good place to rely on any kind of statistics or many things for that matter.

however, even in this graph, crime has gone down since the early 1990s.

which is btw, when crime dropped around the country.

how do we even know what to call a "crimeridden" time? did the people back then think it was crime ridden? maybe it is the perception that it is crime ridden that is also important to consider. there is well supported evidence in psychology based on cultivation theory that says if you watch a lot of tv and see a lot of violence you are likely to think the world is more violent even than what you experience or see. see how people respond to the "swine flu epidemic." if you watch a lot of cable and corporate news you will hear about it constantly and in a way that helps keep people watching, which can be scaring viewers.

so if you watch a lot of this stuff you may start to think this is what it's like.

my point is i think the level of crime versus saftey that exists now is MUCH higher than other times.

at least we have some laws and enforcement (however corrupt they may be) to protect us, and there is at least some sense that it will do so. Crime in the U.S. is NOTHING compared to other nations today, especially risk of death by violence...it's not even close, I gather. also even in our romanticizing of the past as having less crime, the old west was a horrible place to live. you could get killed easily...that's one of the reasons a lot of people carried a gun, because it was too lawless. watch gangs of new york and tell me if you preferred to live in that kind of state, or as a person of african descent in the u.s. under jim crow in the south.

1. wikipedia is perfectly fine for this graph. the graph is referenced at the bottom of the wiki page, and the reference is a united states government source; the bureau of justice statistics. if you follow the links there is even an explanation on how the violent crime rate is calculated

2. crime rate has gone down since the early 90's-- possible due to the awesome economic times of the decade, gas was 99c a gallon. even at the end of this downturn in the graph, the violent crime rate is still more than double that of the beginning of the graph.

3. psychology or not, violent crime is up when considered from the objective perspective of this graph. the graph shows the violent crime rate, a number that is derived from the number of violent crimes that happen in the country. there is no way to cut this psychologically.

4. im sure crime is at crazy levels in some places of the world-- that's beside the point. violent crime affects you, every day, in everything you do, no matter where you live.-- not only in quantifiable indices but also in things that are much harder to measure, such as land and economic opportunity lost to social dead spots due to violent crime, or how about not being able to frequent some part of a river walk you used to, thus altering your way of life very directly.

crime-ridden is putting it lightly. when the violent crime rate of a nation more than doubles within a span of a half-century, that is cause for alarm.

causes, i don't know. i was out on a limb with my initial post. i am sure the reason for the increase is not so cut and dry; things of this nature are always complex.


[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-03-2009 11:14 PM]

Posted by orangeblobman:

Posted by PresIke:

these crimeridden times?

huh?

there is lots of crime nowadays. i blame video games and rap music and illicit substances.



this is a graph from wikipedia, violent crime rate, from the bureau of justice statistics.

there seems to be a dip in the 90's, maybe due to the economic prosperity of the decade.



[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-03-2009 10:46 PM]

I know I am asking for it even engaging you on anything, but I dont know if you pulled that graph from conservapedia, or from your ass but those statistics are blatantly false.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/vior... ... thats straight from the Department of Justice.

And even if those b.s numbers were correct, what makes you just blindly pin it on rap music and video games? Cot damn, you just keep topping yourself around here.

I'm not clear on the graph that you linked to sebstar. Can you tell me what the 'adjustment' means in it? And what did the 1993 change in recording do for the n umbers in that graph? I am not clear.

I like how you dismissed my graph as totally false, and bs, even though it comes from the us government. thanks for that.

Here is the link to the wiki, it's references number 7 and 8 so anyone can check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_th...


and here is another tidbit, from:
http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/...

from the above link, when search criteria is set for "united states - total" and "total violent crimes" for the years "1960" and "2007":



in 1960, population 180 million, there were 288,000 violent crimes total

in 2007, population 301 million, there were 1,400,000 violent crimes total

so for a population that didn't even DOUBLE, we have seen more than a QUADRUPLE increase in total violent crimes--

if that's not an increase in violent crime and the sign of a crime-ridden society, then i don't know what is. the numbers don't lie.


i made this graph using the above link, from the justice department statistics. i scaled the individual criterion so that they would fit on the graph, for visual purposes (population is in millions while crime totals are in tens or hundreds of thousands). i can upload spreadsheet with calculations.

one can clearly observe a drastic climb in rape, robbery, and assault and a milder rise in murderrrr:


THIS ISN'T CRIME-RIDDEN??


[Edited by - orangeblobman on 05-04-2009 07:46 AM]

Orangeblobman, your population arguement is invalid. The population rate plays a HUGE part in crime. Just remember, if you're a criminal, there's a good chance that maybe you are commiting 3 or 4 crimes before getting caught, if you do get caught. It's not one crime designated to each criminal. So the fact that crime has increased (Yet based on that chart, it says total crime has DECREASED) either means that the law isn't being enforced strong enough, or that maybe population is growing, so more criminals grow, and each criminal does more and more, which builds up, hence quadruple. Or both. There are some other facts, but those 2 are enormous, and it has nothing to do with rap music. There has been music with nutty lyrics since the beginning of time.

And just remember, as much as I love rock music, the lyrics in it are just as much a "Poor influence" as rap music. Don't believe me? Test me.

It's all about the people listening to it. Those weak enough to immitate it, are going to go for it. The rockers and the rappers are expressing their lives though. Not telling people to live them.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 04-05-2009 10:23 AM]

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 04-05-2009 10:29 AM]

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 04-05-2009 10:30 AM]

Crime in the United States has fluctuated considerably over the course of the last half-century, rising significantly in the late 1960s and 1970s, peaking in the 1980s and then decreasing considerably in the 1990s. Over the past thirty years, the crime rate rose throughout the 1980s, reached its peak in 1991 and then began to decrease throughout the 1990s and 2000s. The year 2005 was overall the safest year in the past thirty years. The recent overall decrease has reflected upon all significant types of crime, with all violent and property crimes having decreased and reached an all-time low. The homicide rate in particular has decreased over 42% between its record high point in 1991 and 2005.

This is what you linked to, OrangeBlob. LOL.

The bolded is obviously a symptom of rap music.

Crime is over-exaggerated in this country due to a sensationalistic media and fear-mongering politicians. Our prisons continue to swell in accordance to our prison industrial complex locking people up over draconian, non-violent drug laws.

[Edited by - sebstar on 05-04-2009 11:20 AM]