^^What chew be meanin? I think we handily dispelled any notion of a North Korean threat. They have nuffin' to do with us.
Posted by SupremeCommander:
We're worried about a nuclear assault and the discussed strategy is a ground invasion? Let's face it, the Iraq invasion had more to do with finances than national security
thank you... invading N Korea would do nothing for our economy & could be potentially disastrous to the Asian Economy... that would be an absolutely irresponsible thing to even consider.
Posted by orangeblobman:
What of this--
Assuming NK has the ability to fire a nuclear weapon at Hawaii (pop. 1.3 million), what do they gain by carrying this out??
Doesn't seem they have much to gain. You fire one, boom, 1.2 million down, and you're still NK against the USA.
The leaders of NK, like other dictators of the past, have only one thing in mind: power. It would not serve them well to destroy themselves by launching any type of physical attack against us or anyone else.
This game they're playing is all about propaganda, all about affirming their control over the population of NK.
On our side, this is all propaganda, all about providing a convenient segway into our inevitable invasion of Iran.
The real threat isn't NK, it's the psychos in Iran and countries like Iran.
If anything, NK and their petty little rockets (I can't even begin to imagine how shoddy their weapons 'technology' is) are a god send for our foreign policy makers; a perfect springboard to focus our people on the real target-- Iran -- a target that not many of us are ready to confront given our recent escapade in Iraq.
edit:
here is how advanced NK is; they couldn't even complete a frickin' pyramid, the most stable of all geometric shapes.
[Edited by - orangeblobman on 06-19-2009 7:17 PM]
I don't get where anyone said they are shooting a nuclear weapon at the US. I do see where they might shoot an intercontinental missile towards Hawaii potentially to show they can hit US soil.
If they do that--then a full aggressive retaliatory response is the only logical action.
[Edited by - BRIGGS on 06-22-2009 1:01 PM]
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
We're worried about a nuclear assault and the discussed strategy is a ground invasion? Let's face it, the Iraq invasion had more to do with finances than national security
thank you... invading N Korea would do nothing for our economy & could be potentially disastrous to the Asian Economy... that would be an absolutely irresponsible thing to even consider.
Not to mention they're aiming for DC or NY which means we're fucked
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
We're worried about a nuclear assault and the discussed strategy is a ground invasion? Let's face it, the Iraq invasion had more to do with finances than national security
thank you... invading N Korea would do nothing for our economy & could be potentially disastrous to the Asian Economy... that would be an absolutely irresponsible thing to even consider.
Not to mention they're aiming for DC or NY which means we're fucked
time to move to Canada
Canada is nice, I heard they have good winters there.
TEHRAN (Reuters) – President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told a military parade in Tehran on Tuesday Iran would "cut off the hands" of anyone who attacked the country.
"Iranian armed forces will cut off the hands of any attackers before they pull the trigger," he said in an address at a parade broadcast on state television to mark the start of the Iran-Iraq war in September 1980.
"No power in the world is daring enough to attack Iran as we are more experienced and powerful than ever," Ahmadinejad said.
Hundreds of troops marched past the official podium packed with top officials, followed by military hardware including Ghadr, Sejil and Shahab-3 long-range missiles which are made in Iran.
Television commentators said the Shahab-3 missile had a range of 2,000 km (1,250 miles), putting Israel within striking distance.
Shorter range missiles, unmanned planes and locally made jet fighters -- Saegheh and Azarkhsh, artillery and rockets were also on display.
Trucks drove past bearing slogans reading "Down with Israel" and "Down with USA." Iran has always played down any threats of possible U.S. or Israeli attacks on Iran and says it is well-prepared to respond if any such strike was made.
The United States and its allies are seeking to intensify U.N. sanctions on Iran over the Islamic country's disputed nuclear programme, which the West fears is intended to build nuclear weapons. Iran has repeatedly denied this.
Iran has repeatedly condemned the military presence of the U.S. and its allies in neighboring countries.
"The roots of all conflicts in the region is the presence of foreign troops," Ahmadinejad said.
Washington and Israel do not rule out military action against Iran over the nuclear issue.
Tehran is due to hold talks on October 1 with major world powers over concerns about the Islamic Republic's nuclear strategy.
This fcking arsehole has to be taken out. I'm sorry but as a Jewish American I can stand this MF no longer. He's been throwing it in our face lately--really EVERY American regardless of heritage should want this guy terminated. I really wish we could help the Iranian opposition topple that country. A majority of Iranians want to live in a hate free modern world--you can see their blood boiling for change but they have to get rid of these fcks first. I read his sht and I take it as a personal threat. I have no doubt that if HE COULD he would throw my children in an oven--he is a man of hatred and antagonism. Little F short bastard as well love to throw him through the F wall myself.
briggs - i also read yesterday that this guy was claiming the holocaust was 'necessary' and not really a crime at all. he's a nut and i agree he needs to go.
relative to the article above, i understand a leader's need to rally his people, but parading missles and bombs through the streets during a parade reminds me of images of moscow parades back in the cold war days. the world should be focusing on more important matters than who's got the biggest 'rooster' - - our natural resources are drying up, there's disease and poverty in this world at an alarming rate, there's environmental concerns w all the polution the world spits out, etc....
i thought obama has done a good job in trying to make this message known at the UN and G20. i dont know if anyone has listened to his speeches over the last day or so but he is calling the world out saying that they cant expect america to fix the global economy and other problems on our own, this is an unprecedented time and the actions of the world to make it right have not measured well.
I long thought our exit strategy in Iraq was Iran.
Posted by Nalod:
I long thought our exit strategy in Iraq was Iran.
iraq served two purposes in my opinion - 1) it allowed for pipeline contracts and military contracts to be granted to bush's chummy friends making them a shitload of money and 2) allowed us a footprint real close to iran, which i believe was always part of why bush wanted to get into iraq so desparately that he and his administration made certain to use our fears against us at a time of american weakness after 9/11 thus lying about the wmd's in order to invade. thing is, with bush out of the picture, it will be curious to see how this transitions over the next 3 yrs w obama steering the ship. he has shown on the international front that he is the anti-bush with his mutlinational thinking and takin it to the world with his calls for diplomacy and sit downs (i.e.: isreal/palestinian talks yesterday, withdrawal of troops from iraq, etc) rather than continuing to blow each other up when there is a problem.
my only issue is that with this cat in iran running things the way he is, obama has been trying to have civil discussions around future peace in the region and Ahmadinejad keeps slapping us across the face w his speeches and actions. its hard to have civil discussions like this when the leader of a country is so out there that there is civil unrest in the streets of tehran b/c of claims he fixed the election to win it. and, how does his administration respond? easy, shoot and teargas those who oppose your rule. sounds like a dictatorship to me - that's why i guess he is syuch a big fan of hitler.
real question is: how do you reach resolve with a person like Ahmadinejad?
Posted by SupremeCommander:
We're worried about a nuclear assault and the discussed strategy is a ground invasion? Let's face it, the Iraq invasion had more to do with finances than national security
I think the Iraq invasion had more to do with Iran than Iraq and always have.
Posted by orangeblobman:
I mean, North Korea doesn't really want to destroy us, they just want their own nuclear weapons. North Korea doesn't hate America. Iran hates America.
And Iran just wants Nuclear power like we enjoy in America, not even going for Nuclear weapons.
North Korea isn't in a region that supplies the majority of the worlds crude oil. Nobody wants a de-stabilized middle east.
Posted by Rookie:
Posted by SupremeCommander:
We're worried about a nuclear assault and the discussed strategy is a ground invasion? Let's face it, the Iraq invasion had more to do with finances than national security
I think the Iraq invasion had more to do with Iran than Iraq and always have.
My comment was regarding N Korea.
Posted by Rookie:
North Korea isn't in a region that supplies the majority of the worlds crude oil. Nobody wants a de-stabilized middle east.
No way can we let this country have carte blanche to build multiple sites capable of sending hundreds of nuclear rockets at us. You know why--because ultimately they will. It's horrible--people really do not want to think about it and most US citizens can't even point out Iran on a map. I see the US strategy of trying to create much more internal strife in Iran so that it ultimately implodes from within--guess what --isn't happening. You have to take lessons from history--just listen to those soldiers today shooting off those rockets--death to America--that's is a staple slogan of Iranians--the one's that count--the one's with the weapons. If they get those weapons they will usew them on us--the winner in a war like that NOBODY.
There is a no brainer decision here--we have to strategically build up a plan for a massive NON nuclear attack that has goals of crippling their military and their nuclear sites--go in and put in a new government. It cannot be announced and it must be done in a massive way using the fastest most powerful conventional weapons to wipe out their communications systems and their ability to mount any response. After the initial blow--we have to get in and move quickly to reestablish a new Iranian government and a disabling of all nuclear facilities. If we don't we will have nuclear threats from to many locations. It's like cancer--it's going to spread and get worse unless we blitz it.
North Korea is not posing a direct threat at us unless we attack them first... it's easy for people who have no direct relatives living in the hot regions to talk tough and think we can do as we please while sitting in the safety of their homes but the real world doesn't work that way... diplomacy is the way to go... pulling our military muscle everytime a world crisis arises will only win us more enemies in the long run... that serves no one any good.
Posted by TMS:
North Korea is not posing a direct threat at us unless we attack them first... it's easy for people who have no direct relatives living in the hot regions to talk tough and think we can do as we please while sitting in the safety of their homes but the real world doesn't work that way... diplomacy is the way to go... pulling our military muscle everytime a world crisis arises will only win us more enemies in the long run... that serves no one any good.
I am talking about Iran. I don't see anyway around this one--and I doubt our leaders see one either.
North Korea is just a child who wants attention. I don't necessarily view NK as a country that is a true enemy of the US but rather a military state that doesnt know how to take care of it's own country and uses power to get that help. Someday someone inside NK will change that. Iran is another story--Iran is a direct and imposing threat to the US and the people in power would fry my kids--your kids and not think twice. Iran is a cancer that can spread.
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:
North Korea is not posing a direct threat at us unless we attack them first... it's easy for people who have no direct relatives living in the hot regions to talk tough and think we can do as we please while sitting in the safety of their homes but the real world doesn't work that way... diplomacy is the way to go... pulling our military muscle everytime a world crisis arises will only win us more enemies in the long run... that serves no one any good.
I am talking about Iran. I don't see anyway around this one--and I doubt our leaders see one either.
North Korea is just a child who wants attention. I don't necessarily view NK as a country that is a true enemy of the US but rather a military state that doesnt know how to take care of it's own country and uses power to get that help. Someday someone inside NK will change that. Iran is another story--Iran is a direct and imposing threat to the US and the people in power would fry my kids--your kids and not think twice. Iran is a cancer that can spread.
Part of the reason for this "cancer" though is actions and policies that have been perceived as aggressive. An aggressive approach to this prolem may achieve short term objectives but will add another level of hatred towards our country and politics. This will have disatrous implications for future generations in terms of how we are perceived in the world as well as potential milatristic attitude, not to mention the general economics. All assets our military employs are spread thin at the moment. All great empires (or large civilizations) have fallen when the military lost flexibility.
whether we're talking about Iran or North Korea, the point remains the same... any military action against either country will almost certainly result in an immediate & deadly nuclear strike against neighboring allies of ours... do u want WW3 to erupt in the Middle East or Far East & a potential doomsblow being dealt to the World's already suffering economy all because of your irrational fear that one of those countries would be stupid enough to launch a nuclear strike against the United States?
Posted by TMS:
whether we're talking about Iran or North Korea, the point remains the same... any military action against either country will almost certainly result in an immediate & deadly nuclear strike against neighboring allies of ours... do u want WW3 to erupt in the Middle East or Far East & a potential doomsblow being dealt to the World's already suffering economy all because of your irrational fear that one of those countries would be stupid enough to launch a nuclear strike against the United States?
But they might target our allies: Japan and Israel which suck almost as much. But I agree with you. Its stupid to attack the whole country.
In my opinion, it makes more sense to take out the heads of those states. Iranians are very open minded. Iran was he only middle eastern country to mourn 9-11-01. They are protesting against 'im a dinner jacket' for the last 2 months. You take him and the ayatollah out you are dealing with a bunch of issues in that region. That not only minimizes American casualties its also a LOT cheaper.
N. Koreans aren't the problem, its the system up top that's corrupt. There are many escape attempts into South Korea, very similar to the East Germany situation. Kim Jong Il's son is protected by the Chinese but from what I read is mostly a tool. Kim jong Il might die soon. That's a pretty good time to work with the countries in that region.
even if u can take out the leaders there will be another madman to replace him... the cycle will never end unless u can somehow stir up a civil revolution within those countries & insert a US friendly regime.
IMO the only realistic way to try & combat this problem is through diplomacy & through non-violent action, whether that be through working out equitable compromises to disarm their nuclear facilities in exchange for economic aid, or if it comes down to it by voting UN economic sanctions & trade embargos against these countries so they will have no choice but to comply with the wishes of the world leaders... to start throwing our weight around & act like the big bully on the block with the biggest guns on the block is not going to win us any allies in the long run, only more enemies... that only makes the problem worse.
