The point is we should all be more like Nalod and stop constantly antagonizing the cops the way we do. If we could only learn that, they wouldn't have to arrest us for being angry at home.
Lesson: Be like Nalod.
Posted by BasketballJones:
The point is we should all be more like Nalod and stop constantly antagonizing the cops the way we do. If we could only learn that, they wouldn't have to arrest us for being angry at home.
Lesson: Be like Nalod.
or dont drive a racially 'profile-able' car....dont even know if thats a word but FTW i made it!
[Edited by - jimimou on 08-14-2009 4:03 PM]
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by BasketballJones:
The point is we should all be more like Nalod and stop constantly antagonizing the cops the way we do. If we could only learn that, they wouldn't have to arrest us for being angry at home.
Lesson: Be like Nalod.
or dont drive a racially 'profile-able' car....dont even know if thats a word but FTW i made it!
[Edited by - jimimou on 08-14-2009 4:03 PM]
Right. Be like Nalod, sans the Teutonic Love Sled.
[Edited by - basketballjones on 08-14-2009 16:05]
If you are cool and calm you will always win. Regardless of which kind of cap (or anybody for this matter) you are confronting.
Nalod just let it slide... Gates let it get to him.
Was Gates guilty or not guilty is irrelevant. He was stupid, which is sad for the professor and public persona he is.
[Edited by - arkrud on 08-14-2009 4:26 PM]
The question is why should cops be allowed to treat you with disrespect and abuse power for the times they do.
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The question is why should cops be allowed to treat you with disrespect and abuse power for the times they do.
people of all race, color, background have abused power when they get it. Cops, CEO's, politicians, superintendents, etc. For some, it's human nature.
Posted by martin:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The question is why should cops be allowed to treat you with disrespect and abuse power for the times they do.
people of all race, color, background have abused power when they get it. Cops, CEO's, politicians, superintendents, etc. For some, it's human nature.
yeah & in most cases we refer to those people as tyrants, dictators or just plain a-holes... abuse of power is wrong any way you slice it.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
The question is why should cops be allowed to treat you with disrespect and abuse power for the times they do.
people of all race, color, background have abused power when they get it. Cops, CEO's, politicians, superintendents, etc. For some, it's human nature.
yeah & in most cases we refer to those people as tyrants, dictators or just plain a-holes... abuse of power is wrong any way you slice it.
Absolutely.
But it is not about how they abuse it, but about how you deal with them.
First is out of your hands, second is all up to you.
Don't let them distract you out of you calm ways and they will have non of you.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by tkf:
yea, I don't mess with the police.I try to give them what they want and move on. If I am wronged I fight it in court. No way you going to win any kind or argument or altercation with the po po's on the street. Be smart, get home, handle your problems in court...
neither do i tkf, i don't mess w/cops either... when i got arrested the arresting officer treated me w/respect & courtesy & i responded in kind... had to spend a night in central holding but the charges were dropped eventually & i let due process take its course... that doesn't always happen tho, & you may find yourself in a more volatile situation w/some volatile cops... until you've been in a situation like that i dunno how anyone thinks they can comment on how someone else should feel or behave... but that's just me.
yea. I have friends down here that are law enforcement, One was shot in the elbow during a routine stop last year. So I know what these guys go through. But some of these cats are just down right wrong... the problem is, some of them want to be provoked into whooping your azz in the streets. You just won't win that battle in the streets. Personally, I am not fond of most cops because I know how the city operates. Short on cash, they sit around and give hard working tax payers nitpicking tickets for minor traffic violations. Some of them have nothing better to do than mess with people, so I understand the frustration with most civilians towards them, but for me, I am not going to get killed or put in a coma trying to fight or resist some jackass with a badge just because he has a wild hair up his arse.. now If i absolutely feel my life is on the line with one of these guys. Then all bets are off and I really can't tell you what I would do..... anything short of that, I am dealing with that in court...
Posted by arkrud:
Absolutely.
But it is not about how they abuse it, but about how you deal with them.
First is out of your hands, second is all up to you.
Don't let them distract you out of you calm ways and they will have non of you.
Dude, I understand the thread is about "how you deal with them" but wtf? Why should they in the first place abuse it? If we don't stop them from abusing it right now, it will become a norm in the future.
I used to get pulled over very often and I started to learn the game. When you encounter cops for whatever reason, give them what they want and then call your lawyer. Like tkf said, just take the ticket and fight it later. But that doesn't make them right. Many cops abuse their power and treat people like crap.
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by tkf:
yea, I don't mess with the police.I try to give them what they want and move on. If I am wronged I fight it in court. No way you going to win any kind or argument or altercation with the po po's on the street. Be smart, get home, handle your problems in court...
neither do i tkf, i don't mess w/cops either... when i got arrested the arresting officer treated me w/respect & courtesy & i responded in kind... had to spend a night in central holding but the charges were dropped eventually & i let due process take its course... that doesn't always happen tho, & you may find yourself in a more volatile situation w/some volatile cops... until you've been in a situation like that i dunno how anyone thinks they can comment on how someone else should feel or behave... but that's just me.
yea. I have friends down here that are law enforcement, One was shot in the elbow during a routine stop last year. So I know what these guys go through. But some of these cats are just down right wrong... the problem is, some of them want to be provoked into whooping your azz in the streets. You just won't win that battle in the streets. Personally, I am not fond of most cops because I know how the city operates. Short on cash, they sit around and give hard working tax payers nitpicking tickets for minor traffic violations. Some of them have nothing better to do than mess with people, so I understand the frustration with most civilians towards them, but for me, I am not going to get killed or put in a coma trying to fight or resist some jackass with a badge just because he has a wild hair up his arse.. now If i absolutely feel my life is on the line with one of these guys. Then all bets are off and I really can't tell you what I would do..... anything short of that, I am dealing with that in court...
absolutely i agree w/u 100%... i ain't gonna be getting into no physical altercations w/no cops regardless of the circumstances or how they're disrespecting me... i'm not looking to land in no jail cell after getting a beatdown from the cops & having it a my word against theirs scenario... ain't no way i'm winning that one in court... but it's a sad state of affairs when even verbal exchanges between yourself & a cop could potentially result in you being arrested under some lame charges of disorderly conduct or the like... this is what i mean by abuse of power... just cuz it happens doesn't make it right obviously.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by tkf:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by tkf:
yea, I don't mess with the police.I try to give them what they want and move on. If I am wronged I fight it in court. No way you going to win any kind or argument or altercation with the po po's on the street. Be smart, get home, handle your problems in court...
neither do i tkf, i don't mess w/cops either... when i got arrested the arresting officer treated me w/respect & courtesy & i responded in kind... had to spend a night in central holding but the charges were dropped eventually & i let due process take its course... that doesn't always happen tho, & you may find yourself in a more volatile situation w/some volatile cops... until you've been in a situation like that i dunno how anyone thinks they can comment on how someone else should feel or behave... but that's just me.
yea. I have friends down here that are law enforcement, One was shot in the elbow during a routine stop last year. So I know what these guys go through. But some of these cats are just down right wrong... the problem is, some of them want to be provoked into whooping your azz in the streets. You just won't win that battle in the streets. Personally, I am not fond of most cops because I know how the city operates. Short on cash, they sit around and give hard working tax payers nitpicking tickets for minor traffic violations. Some of them have nothing better to do than mess with people, so I understand the frustration with most civilians towards them, but for me, I am not going to get killed or put in a coma trying to fight or resist some jackass with a badge just because he has a wild hair up his arse.. now If i absolutely feel my life is on the line with one of these guys. Then all bets are off and I really can't tell you what I would do..... anything short of that, I am dealing with that in court...
absolutely i agree w/u 100%... i ain't gonna be getting into no physical altercations w/no cops regardless of the circumstances or how they're disrespecting me... i'm not looking to land in no jail cell after getting a beatdown from the cops & having it a my word against theirs scenario... ain't no way i'm winning that one in court... but it's a sad state of affairs when even verbal exchanges between yourself & a cop could potentially result in you being arrested under some lame charges of disorderly conduct or the like... this is what i mean by abuse of power... just cuz it happens doesn't make it right obviously.
yea, that abuse of power bothers me. Where I live in Georgia, it is a small suburb 25 minutes from downtown Atlanta. The police force is mostly white as is the county. I have come home late at night just to see these cats have a car pulled over with a flashlight in some black civilians face and 3 other police cars at the scene for minor violations. I hate that because it is unnecessary and very intimidating. Not saying all of these guys are like that because one night my car rental broke down and one of the officers assisted me all the way back to the car rental spot at 3am in the morn. There are some good guys, but overall, most of these guys are just itching for you to say something that rubs them the wrong way it seems... again, I am not going to argue with these guys.. I will see them in court...
Ok, same scenario but in Moscow:
Nalod gets pulled over, its a male cop (no females work as cops). Cop ask for license and registration, Nalod gives it to him. Cop says"Oh its expired. And is that marijuana i smell in the car? Should we perform an official car search or what? Nalod says" Maybe we can just take care of this a different way?" Cop says "Sure, that will be $100" Nalod says "I am so sorry, i only have a $50" Long, uncomfortable pause follows. The cop says "Ok, fine". Nalod gives him the money and they go separate ways. Exactly same scenario happens no matter what the offense was, Nalod could literally open his door and fall face first on the pavement piss drunk, same exact conversation, only thing different would be the amount of $.
Posted by ramtour420:
Ok, same scenario but in Moscow:
Nalod gets pulled over, its a male cop (no females work as cops). Cop ask for license and registration, Nalod gives it to him. Cop says"Oh its expired. And is that marijuana i smell in the car? Should we perform an official car search or what? Nalod says" Maybe we can just take care of this a different way?" Cop says "Sure, that will be $100" Nalod says "I am so sorry, i only have a $50" Long, uncomfortable pause follows. The cop says "Ok, fine". Nalod gives him the money and they go separate ways. Exactly same scenario happens no matter what the offense was, Nalod could literally open his door and fall face first on the pavement piss drunk, same exact conversation, only thing different would be the amount of $.
Sh..t man. It is expensive our days in Moscow.
I used to get away with 5 bucks in 80-90th.
But hey - inflation...
Funny, I was detained and messed with flying out of Lenningrad in 1983 during a college program (ecnomic conference). I sucked it up and they bruised my pride but I wanted to get the Phuck out of there.
Or the time IM driving in Mexico City and got pulled by some a cop standing on the corner at a traffic signal and wanted to give me speeding ticket. I was standing still!!! He saw it was a rental. I expected this as I always am driving a rental in another country. He was demoralizing me with his actions. You don't give a speeding ticket in traffic!! He did, I never challanged him as I could get locked up.
The worst thing to do is to challange a cops Authority. If you want the best possible outcome swallow your pride and give them want they want. Your respect. This can bruise your pride.
It ain't right, but At that moment you have a choice. Elevate the situation or defuse it.
If I defuse it, I ultimately have the power as I get the positive outcome.
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While difficult to draw hard conclusions from this one event, it is definitely useful as a preliminary gauge; the most appropriate initial hypothesis to draw here is that in a police encounter with potential racial bias, respect and demonstration of implicit trust in the motives of the law enforcement agent can gain one significant reprieve, even in a case of actual guilt. The correlate question is that, assuming (tentatively) that standard and reverse racial positions in police encounters have similar dynamics, would Gates have been left without incident had he politely explained himself? The larger questions are does protocol need to better defined to eliminate the subjectivity of police indiscretion, what level of anatagonistic interaction with police should be actionable and what generic profiling criteria are acceptable if statistics indicate safer communities?
Although it may be more difficult to respond with restraint for blacks who are accused (because of a context of injustice) as well as for those who haven't engaged in criminal behavior to begin with, Nalod's story may provide added incentive. From an intervention-results perspective, its certainly a pertinent anecdote to the Gates discussion. So not pointless, by a long shot.
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by ramtour420:
Ok, same scenario but in Moscow:
Nalod gets pulled over, its a male cop (no females work as cops). Cop ask for license and registration, Nalod gives it to him. Cop says"Oh its expired. And is that marijuana i smell in the car? Should we perform an official car search or what? Nalod says" Maybe we can just take care of this a different way?" Cop says "Sure, that will be $100" Nalod says "I am so sorry, i only have a $50" Long, uncomfortable pause follows. The cop says "Ok, fine". Nalod gives him the money and they go separate ways. Exactly same scenario happens no matter what the offense was, Nalod could literally open his door and fall face first on the pavement piss drunk, same exact conversation, only thing different would be the amount of $.
Sh..t man. It is expensive our days in Moscow.
I used to get away with 5 bucks in 80-90th.
But hey - inflation...
Well it also depends on what kind of car you drive, i was there this summer and me and my brother got pulled over crossing the double solid line to avoid traffic, our car was a piece of junk and some of the inside panels were missing, the cop looked at the 70-some roubles we were offering him(little over $2) and just let us go.
Posted by codeunknown:
While difficult to draw hard conclusions from this one event, it is definitely useful as a preliminary gauge; the most appropriate initial hypothesis to draw here is that in a police encounter with potential racial bias, respect and demonstration of implicit trust in the motives of the law enforcement agent can gain one significant reprieve, even in a case of actual guilt. The correlate question is that, assuming (tentatively) that standard and reverse racial positions in police encounters have similar dynamics, would Gates have been left without incident had he politely explained himself? The larger questions are does protocol need to better defined to eliminate the subjectivity of police indiscretion, what level of anatagonistic interaction with police should be actionable and what generic profiling criteria are acceptable if statistics indicate safer communities?
Although it may be more difficult to respond with restraint for blacks who are accused (because of a context of injustice) as well as for those who haven't engaged in criminal behavior to begin with, Nalod's story may provide added incentive. From an intervention-results perspective, its certainly a pertinent anecdote to the Gates discussion. So not pointless, by a long shot.
dude, are u writing a paper?
how is this story analogous to Gates when Nalod, by his own admission, had bad tags and ran a stop sign? The officer was completely justified in pulling over Nalod, while Gates was doing nothing wrong and was simply entering his residence.
Furthermore, this is a question one could pose if we completely divorced ourselves from the long standing history of criminal justice and law enforcement abuse suffered by Blacks. Reminds me of that shirt 'its a Black thing, you wouldnt understand.' Cats like Nalod and others just dont get it.
Posted by TMS:
Posted by codeunknown:
While difficult to draw hard conclusions from this one event, it is definitely useful as a preliminary gauge; the most appropriate initial hypothesis to draw here is that in a police encounter with potential racial bias, respect and demonstration of implicit trust in the motives of the law enforcement agent can gain one significant reprieve, even in a case of actual guilt. The correlate question is that, assuming (tentatively) that standard and reverse racial positions in police encounters have similar dynamics, would Gates have been left without incident had he politely explained himself? The larger questions are does protocol need to better defined to eliminate the subjectivity of police indiscretion, what level of anatagonistic interaction with police should be actionable and what generic profiling criteria are acceptable if statistics indicate safer communities?
Although it may be more difficult to respond with restraint for blacks who are accused (because of a context of injustice) as well as for those who haven't engaged in criminal behavior to begin with, Nalod's story may provide added incentive. From an intervention-results perspective, its certainly a pertinent anecdote to the Gates discussion. So not pointless, by a long shot.
dude, are u writing a paper?
Having trouble reading it?
Posted by sebstar:
how is this story analogous to Gates when Nalod, by his own admission, had bad tags and ran a stop sign? The officer was completely justified in pulling over Nalod, while Gates was doing nothing wrong and was simply entering his residence.
Furthermore, this is a question one could pose if we completely divorced ourselves from the long standing history of criminal justice and law enforcement abuse suffered by Blacks. Reminds me of that shirt 'its a Black thing, you wouldnt understand.' Cats like Nalod and others just dont get it.
I don't think anyone has suggested its truly analogous.
