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subzero0 wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Option 1. Banking our entire future on the hope that great championship level players will come in 1 free agency period, sure. What can possibly go wrong with that?

Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

It has begun.

Then what are we doing here? We are the worst masochists for believing things can get better with the New York Knicks. So should we just walk away?

Knicksfan wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Option 1. Banking our entire future on the hope that great championship level players will come in 1 free agency period, sure. What can possibly go wrong with that?

Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

It has begun.

Then what are we doing here? We are the worst masochists for believing things can get better with the New York Knicks. So should we just walk away?

subzero0 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Doom and gloom.....shocking

The Knicks just lost tonight to a losing team.... the Milwaukee Bucks... on their own home floor... in a playoff race for the last two spots with... wait for it... the Milwaukee Bucks... Doom and gloom indeed.

Damn it. We would have won this game and no way we'd ever be on a losing streak with Gallo, Chandler, Fleton and Moz. Worst trade ever and all trade haters are right. It's time to panic folks and panic big time. We have now entered the hot tub time machine and will go back to winning 32 and less games per season.

HAIL ALL TRADE HATERS.......

CashMoney wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Doom and gloom.....shocking

The Knicks just lost tonight to a losing team.... the Milwaukee Bucks... on their own home floor... in a playoff race for the last two spots with... wait for it... the Milwaukee Bucks... Doom and gloom indeed.

Damn it. We would have won this game and no way we'd ever be on a losing streak with Gallo, Chandler, Fleton and Moz. Worst trade ever and all trade haters are right. It's time to panic folks and panic big time. We have now entered the hot tub time machine and will go back to winning 32 and less games per season.

HAIL ALL TRADE HATERS.......

All these losses are compounded by Amare playing like he's 40yrs old.

Dude has been playing awful defense, has zero lift and forces bad drives when his shot isn't falling. He doesnt get those calls he was getting previously, since he's not going in strong.

We need someone else in the middle to take pressure off Amare, why Barron hasn't been brought back is mind-boggling. He rebounds, can hit the open jumper and clogs the middle halfway decently.

gr33d wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Doom and gloom.....shocking

The Knicks just lost tonight to a losing team.... the Milwaukee Bucks... on their own home floor... in a playoff race for the last two spots with... wait for it... the Milwaukee Bucks... Doom and gloom indeed.

Damn it. We would have won this game and no way we'd ever be on a losing streak with Gallo, Chandler, Fleton and Moz. Worst trade ever and all trade haters are right. It's time to panic folks and panic big time. We have now entered the hot tub time machine and will go back to winning 32 and less games per season.

HAIL ALL TRADE HATERS.......

All these losses are compounded by Amare playing like he's 40yrs old.

Dude has been playing awful defense, has zero lift and forces bad drives when his shot isn't falling. He doesnt get those calls he was getting previously, since he's not going in strong.

We need someone else in the middle to take pressure off Amare, why Barron hasn't been brought back is mind-boggling. He rebounds, can hit the open jumper and clogs the middle halfway decently.

Amar'e has been carrying this team on his back all year. The Knicks have been playing a ton of games ove the last week and the dude is tired. However, he's the franchise player and being tired isn't an excuse for crap play. He needs to suck it up.

CashMoney wrote:

gr33d wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Doom and gloom.....shocking

The Knicks just lost tonight to a losing team.... the Milwaukee Bucks... on their own home floor... in a playoff race for the last two spots with... wait for it... the Milwaukee Bucks... Doom and gloom indeed.

Damn it. We would have won this game and no way we'd ever be on a losing streak with Gallo, Chandler, Fleton and Moz. Worst trade ever and all trade haters are right. It's time to panic folks and panic big time. We have now entered the hot tub time machine and will go back to winning 32 and less games per season.

HAIL ALL TRADE HATERS.......

All these losses are compounded by Amare playing like he's 40yrs old.

Dude has been playing awful defense, has zero lift and forces bad drives when his shot isn't falling. He doesnt get those calls he was getting previously, since he's not going in strong.

We need someone else in the middle to take pressure off Amare, why Barron hasn't been brought back is mind-boggling. He rebounds, can hit the open jumper and clogs the middle halfway decently.

Amar'e has been carrying this team on his back all year. The Knicks have been playing a ton of games ove the last week and the dude is tired. However, he's the franchise player and being tired isn't an excuse for crap play. He needs to suck it up.

Cash- being tired is one thing. I love Amare's passion and how he's carried this team for 50 games.

But he looks like a tall Weatherspoon out there; everything is stripped or blocked. Sit him for 2 games if that's what it takes.

gr33d wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

gr33d wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Doom and gloom.....shocking

The Knicks just lost tonight to a losing team.... the Milwaukee Bucks... on their own home floor... in a playoff race for the last two spots with... wait for it... the Milwaukee Bucks... Doom and gloom indeed.

Damn it. We would have won this game and no way we'd ever be on a losing streak with Gallo, Chandler, Fleton and Moz. Worst trade ever and all trade haters are right. It's time to panic folks and panic big time. We have now entered the hot tub time machine and will go back to winning 32 and less games per season.

HAIL ALL TRADE HATERS.......

All these losses are compounded by Amare playing like he's 40yrs old.

Dude has been playing awful defense, has zero lift and forces bad drives when his shot isn't falling. He doesnt get those calls he was getting previously, since he's not going in strong.

We need someone else in the middle to take pressure off Amare, why Barron hasn't been brought back is mind-boggling. He rebounds, can hit the open jumper and clogs the middle halfway decently.

Amar'e has been carrying this team on his back all year. The Knicks have been playing a ton of games ove the last week and the dude is tired. However, he's the franchise player and being tired isn't an excuse for crap play. He needs to suck it up.

Cash- being tired is one thing. I love Amare's passion and how he's carried this team for 50 games.

But he looks like a tall Weatherspoon out there; everything is stripped or blocked. Sit him for 2 games if that's what it takes.

STAT a 50-75% is better than anyone else the Knicks can put on the floor. Melo needs to be the man until STAT gets his swagger back.

i think that article and this thread play well together.

CashMoney wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Doom and gloom.....shocking

The Knicks just lost tonight to a losing team.... the Milwaukee Bucks... on their own home floor... in a playoff race for the last two spots with... wait for it... the Milwaukee Bucks... Doom and gloom indeed.

Damn it. We would have won this game and no way we'd ever be on a losing streak with Gallo, Chandler, Fleton and Moz. Worst trade ever and all trade haters are right. It's time to panic folks and panic big time. We have now entered the hot tub time machine and will go back to winning 32 and less games per season.

HAIL ALL TRADE HATERS.......

ummm well actually the Knicks before Melo were 28-26 heading in a positive direction and making the playoffs. The Knicks after Melo are 7-10, have lost their last four, and are 1-7 in their last eight games. Just sayin...

I knew it was only a matter of time before you and the rest of the Trade Brigade got here to convince us all that the trade was the best thing to happen to the Knicks. Regardless, the numbers don't lie and although I believe this is just a temporary lull in the season for the Knicks, make no mistake about this: The correct way to build a championship dynasty team is to first acquire a young championship level player to which you own his bird rights and then build around that player with championship level free agents. Anything else and you are merely spinning your wheels.

Oh and by the way, the Denver Nuggets, with Gallo, Chandler, Felton and Moz, are 11-4 since the trade and have solidified their playoff position.

subzero0 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Doom and gloom.....shocking

The Knicks just lost tonight to a losing team.... the Milwaukee Bucks... on their own home floor... in a playoff race for the last two spots with... wait for it... the Milwaukee Bucks... Doom and gloom indeed.

Damn it. We would have won this game and no way we'd ever be on a losing streak with Gallo, Chandler, Fleton and Moz. Worst trade ever and all trade haters are right. It's time to panic folks and panic big time. We have now entered the hot tub time machine and will go back to winning 32 and less games per season.

HAIL ALL TRADE HATERS.......

ummm well actually the Knicks before Melo were 28-26 heading in a positive direction and making the playoffs. The Knicks after Melo are 7-10, have lost their last four, and are 1-7 in their last eight games. Just sayin...

I knew it was only a matter of time before you and the rest of the Trade Brigade got here to convince us all that the trade was the best thing to happen to the Knicks. Regardless, the numbers don't lie and although I believe this is just a temporary lull in the season for the Knicks, make no mistake about this: The correct way to build a championship dynasty team is to first acquire a young championship level player to which you own his bird rights and then build around that player with championship level free agents. Anything else and you are merely spinning your wheels.

Oh and by the way, the Denver Nuggets, with Gallo, Chandler, Felton and Moz, are 11-4 since the trade and have solidified their playoff position.

Imagine if Masai Ujiri made Minnesota an offer for Anthony Randolph that they could not refuse.

Randolph might look good in powder blue.

TymeLessKnicks wrote:http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...

i think that article and this thread play well together.

Yea, and just for the record, I would have like this trade if only they kept Gallinari. The Knicks gave up way too much in this trade.

subzero0 wrote:Option 1. Banking our entire future on the hope that great championship level players will come in 1 free agency period, sure. What can possibly go wrong with that?

Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

2009 was the year I predicted the Knicks would be laying out a future of suck, going to go into 1st round 2nd round playoff purgatory in the years to come. Wow, those year really just flew by. Lets look at the progress the Knicks have made since. Two straight seasons, two straight first round losses. Both of which we werent even in the series. Oh and by the way we are capped out and cant add any more players to the team. For goodness sake, we might not even be able to resign the players we already have.

I said it before and I will say it again, we should have cleaned house 2008-2009 so that we could have had the greatest probability of getting that top draft pick. Instead the management traded for players that had expiriing contracts to try to have room for LeBron James. It was a big mistake and it is going to cost us atleast another 8 years without a championship.

subzero0 wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Option 1. Banking our entire future on the hope that great championship level players will come in 1 free agency period, sure. What can possibly go wrong with that?

Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

2009 was the year I predicted the Knicks would be laying out a future of suck, going to go into 1st round 2nd round playoff purgatory. Wow, those year really just flew by. Lets look at the progress the Knicks have made since. Two straight seasons, two straight first round losses. Both of which we werent even in the series. Oh and by the way we are capped out and cant add any more players to the team. For goodness sake, we might not even be able to resign the players we already have.

I said it before and I will say it again, we should have cleaned house 2008-2009 so that we could have had the greatest probability of getting that top draft pick. Instead the management traded for players that had expiriing contracts to try to have room for LeBron James. It was a big mistake and it is going to cost us atleast another 8 years without a championship.

nothing is certain. portland was in the lotto for years and what has that gotten them? same with the kings and bobcats

nyk4ever wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Option 1. Banking our entire future on the hope that great championship level players will come in 1 free agency period, sure. What can possibly go wrong with that?

Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

2009 was the year I predicted the Knicks would be laying out a future of suck, going to go into 1st round 2nd round playoff purgatory. Wow, those year really just flew by. Lets look at the progress the Knicks have made since. Two straight seasons, two straight first round losses. Both of which we werent even in the series. Oh and by the way we are capped out and cant add any more players to the team. For goodness sake, we might not even be able to resign the players we already have.

I said it before and I will say it again, we should have cleaned house 2008-2009 so that we could have had the greatest probability of getting that top draft pick. Instead the management traded for players that had expiriing contracts to try to have room for LeBron James. It was a big mistake and it is going to cost us atleast another 8 years without a championship.

nothing is certain. portland was in the lotto for years and what has that gotten them? same with the kings and bobcats

Wow, funny you didnt mention the Clippers. Who did they get in the 2009 draft nyk4ever?

subzero0 wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Option 1. Banking our entire future on the hope that great championship level players will come in 1 free agency period, sure. What can possibly go wrong with that?

Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

2009 was the year I predicted the Knicks would be laying out a future of suck, going to go into 1st round 2nd round playoff purgatory in the years to come. Wow, those year really just flew by. Lets look at the progress the Knicks have made since. Two straight seasons, two straight first round losses. Both of which we werent even in the series. Oh and by the way we are capped out and cant add any more players to the team. For goodness sake, we might not even be able to resign the players we already have.

I said it before and I will say it again, we should have cleaned house 2008-2009 so that we could have had the greatest probability of getting that top draft pick. Instead the management traded for players that had expiriing contracts to try to have room for LeBron James. It was a big mistake and it is going to cost us atleast another 8 years without a championship.

CrushAlot wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Option 1. Banking our entire future on the hope that great championship level players will come in 1 free agency period, sure. What can possibly go wrong with that?

Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

2009 was the year I predicted the Knicks would be laying out a future of suck, going to go into 1st round 2nd round playoff purgatory in the years to come. Wow, those year really just flew by. Lets look at the progress the Knicks have made since. Two straight seasons, two straight first round losses. Both of which we werent even in the series. Oh and by the way we are capped out and cant add any more players to the team. For goodness sake, we might not even be able to resign the players we already have.

I said it before and I will say it again, we should have cleaned house 2008-2009 so that we could have had the greatest probability of getting that top draft pick. Instead the management traded for players that had expiriing contracts to try to have room for LeBron James. It was a big mistake and it is going to cost us atleast another 8 years without a championship.

Didn't the Knicks trade Randolph and Crawford at the start of the 08-09 season? How much more can you clean house?

How many picks did they get back in those trades?

You take your two top scorers and not get back any picks? Not a single one. That is my whole point. The whole thing was to get expiring contracts back. They should have been targeting the draft instead. That decision from 3 years ago is screwing us today and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

subzero0 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

subzero0 wrote:Option 1. Banking our entire future on the hope that great championship level players will come in 1 free agency period, sure. What can possibly go wrong with that?

Option 2. Tank, get a high draft pick, and then sign someone to the team. In that way we can have two possibly championship level players at a relatively low cost. But oh no Option 1 is obviously the best way to go right

This thinking will backfire on us entirely this summer. We have a horrible team now and whoever wants to come here this summer is not going to be good enough to get us a championship. We are going to end up being perennial playoff losers... just like the Suns, just like the Pacers. But dont take my word for it. Watch as the next few years unfolds yet again into another disaster of team management, failed hopes, and horrible basketball. But hey everything is ok right?

2009 was the year I predicted the Knicks would be laying out a future of suck, going to go into 1st round 2nd round playoff purgatory in the years to come. Wow, those year really just flew by. Lets look at the progress the Knicks have made since. Two straight seasons, two straight first round losses. Both of which we werent even in the series. Oh and by the way we are capped out and cant add any more players to the team. For goodness sake, we might not even be able to resign the players we already have.

I said it before and I will say it again, we should have cleaned house 2008-2009 so that we could have had the greatest probability of getting that top draft pick. Instead the management traded for players that had expiriing contracts to try to have room for LeBron James. It was a big mistake and it is going to cost us atleast another 8 years without a championship.

Didn't the Knicks trade Randolph and Crawford at the start of the 08-09 season? How much more can you clean house?

How many picks did they get back in those trades?

You take your two top scorers and not get back any picks? Not a single one. That is my whole point. The whole thing was to get expiring contracts back. They should have been targeting the draft instead. That decision from 3 years ago is screwing us today and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.