Looks like it's gonna pass.
BasketballJones wrote:Looks like it's gonna pass.
I thought you were here to post facetious comments? Did you log into the wrong site?
BRIGGS wrote:BasketballJones wrote:Looks like it's gonna pass.
I thought you were here to post facetious comments? Did you log into the wrong site?
I thought you were here to post multiple Jordan Hill threads. Did you log into the wrong site?
BasketballJones wrote:BRIGGS wrote:BasketballJones wrote:Looks like it's gonna pass.
I thought you were here to post facetious comments? Did you log into the wrong site?
I thought you were here to post multiple Jordan Hill threads. Did you log into the wrong site?
I've already completed that mission.
Marv wrote:
That's an instant classic. Great find. Send it to Leno immediately (not that I watch the punk, but I know he does a bit on absurd headlines).
Hearing these conservatives caterwauling about this bill, one thing is really clear: They have completely confused liberty and freedom with greed and selfishness.
This bill doesnt solve a whole hell of a lot, but the journey of a thousand miles has to start somewhere. I'm tired of hearing people in Canada laugh at us as they visit the dentist and doctor 20 + times a year.
The air of elitism and ignorance is overpowering.
what a douchebag.
March 22, 2010
Texas Congressman: I made 'baby killer' remark
Posted: March 22nd, 2010 04:03 PM ET
From CNN's Charles Riley
Texas Republican Randy Neugebauer admitted to yelling ‘baby killer’ during Sunday’s health care debate.
Washington (CNN) – A Texas Republican acknowledged on Monday that he was the person who yelled "baby killer" during Sunday's House debate on health care reform.
Rep. Randy Neugebauer said he shouted out "'it's a baby killer' in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership" on compromise language that emphasized federal funds would not be used to pay for abortions.
Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak was on the House floor talking about the issue at the time of Neugebauer's outburst. Stupak was the leader of a group of anti-abortion rights Democrats who refused to back health care reform unless their concerns were addressed.
In a statement released by his office, Neugerbauer said that his comments have been misconstrued.
"Last night was the climax of weeks and months of debate on a health care bill that my constituents fear and do not support," he said. "In the heat and emotion of the debate, I exclaimed the phrase 'it's a baby killer' in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership. While I remain heartbroken over the passage of this bill and the tragic consequences it will have for the unborn, I deeply regret that my actions were mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to Congressman Stupak himself.
"I have apologized to Mr. Stupak and also apologize to my colleagues for the manner in which I expressed my disappointment about the bill. The House Chamber is a place of decorum and respect. The timing and tone of my comment last night was inappropriate."
–CNN's Brianna Keilar contributed to this report
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...
you said the same thing to kg:
This is a joke. This is a bunch of history whores overextending the country. Implementing this system will probably cost another $ trillion+. While I'm in favor of greater equality, I am not in favor of putting an even greater burden on stat governments and an even greater burden on business (in terms of money paid into healthcare).
This is in violation of the 10th Amendment. The Federal Government is mandating state expenditure. New Jersey just clipped its education budget by just $900 million due to budget constraints and New Jersey is one of the wealthier states in the country.
This is bullshit. This is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I want these fucking politicians to take their thumbs out of their asses and stop pandering to history and its landmarks. I hope the DEMOCRAT from Tennessee is successful in leading the charge against this bullshit and proving this system is illegal.
SupremeCommander wrote:This is a joke. This is a bunch of history whores overextending the country. Implementing this system will probably cost another $ trillion+. While I'm in favor of greater equality, I am not in favor of putting an even greater burden on stat governments and an even greater burden on business (in terms of money paid into healthcare). This is in violation of the 10th Amendment. The Federal Government is mandating state expenditure. New Jersey just clipped its education budget by just $900 million due to budget constraints and New Jersey is one of the wealthier states in the country.
This is bullshit. This is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I want these fucking politicians to take their thumbs out of their asses and stop pandering to history and its landmarks. I hope the DEMOCRAT from Tennessee is successful in leading the charge against this bullshit and proving this system is illegal.
so you are saying we don't need health care for everyone? are we the only first world nation without some sort of health care for everyone? it is needed and tho it needs more money, it is money by tax increase of those making $250,0000 a year, 10% of this population. i do agree with education and that is why i didnt vote for that crook christie but that is also a case in point with the conservative way of budgeting: instead of getting rid of the countless administrative positions they get rid of education programs and teaching positions. well, that is another issue and we will see nj's education rank, which was 8th in the nation, which was the highest we have been in awhile, slide back to the way it was in the early 90's and they will still blame teachers.
Marv wrote:what a douchebag.March 22, 2010
Texas Congressman: I made 'baby killer' remark
Posted: March 22nd, 2010 04:03 PM ET
From CNN's Charles Riley
Texas Republican Randy Neugebauer admitted to yelling ‘baby killer’ during Sunday’s health care debate.
Washington (CNN) – A Texas Republican acknowledged on Monday that he was the person who yelled "baby killer" during Sunday's House debate on health care reform.
Rep. Randy Neugebauer said he shouted out "'it's a baby killer' in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership" on compromise language that emphasized federal funds would not be used to pay for abortions.
Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak was on the House floor talking about the issue at the time of Neugebauer's outburst. Stupak was the leader of a group of anti-abortion rights Democrats who refused to back health care reform unless their concerns were addressed.
In a statement released by his office, Neugerbauer said that his comments have been misconstrued.
"Last night was the climax of weeks and months of debate on a health care bill that my constituents fear and do not support," he said. "In the heat and emotion of the debate, I exclaimed the phrase 'it's a baby killer' in reference to the agreement reached by the Democratic leadership. While I remain heartbroken over the passage of this bill and the tragic consequences it will have for the unborn, I deeply regret that my actions were mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to Congressman Stupak himself.
"I have apologized to Mr. Stupak and also apologize to my colleagues for the manner in which I expressed my disappointment about the bill. The House Chamber is a place of decorum and respect. The timing and tone of my comment last night was inappropriate."
–CNN's Brianna Keilar contributed to this report
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...
however, you will still see idiots voting for an idiot like this. we have some stupid americans, i swear.
jazz74 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:This is a joke. This is a bunch of history whores overextending the country. Implementing this system will probably cost another $ trillion+. While I'm in favor of greater equality, I am not in favor of putting an even greater burden on stat governments and an even greater burden on business (in terms of money paid into healthcare). This is in violation of the 10th Amendment. The Federal Government is mandating state expenditure. New Jersey just clipped its education budget by just $900 million due to budget constraints and New Jersey is one of the wealthier states in the country.
This is bullshit. This is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I want these fucking politicians to take their thumbs out of their asses and stop pandering to history and its landmarks. I hope the DEMOCRAT from Tennessee is successful in leading the charge against this bullshit and proving this system is illegal.
so you are saying we don't need health care for everyone? are we the only first world nation without some sort of health care for everyone? it is needed and tho it needs more money, it is money by tax increase of those making $250,0000 a year, 10% of this population. i do agree with education and that is why i didnt vote for that crook christie but that is also a case in point with the conservative way of budgeting: instead of getting rid of the countless administrative positions they get rid of education programs and teaching positions. well, that is another issue and we will see nj's education rank, which was 8th in the nation, which was the highest we have been in awhile, slide back to the way it was in the early 90's and they will still blame teachers.
SupremeCommander wrote:While I'm in favor of greater equality, I am not in favor of putting an even greater burden on stat governments and an even greater burden on business
I am not in favor of spending at a huge deficit while we are already at a huge deficit. Like I said, this is robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's bullshit. Another $ trillion+ in deficit is not the answer. The federal government mandating states to do shit is not the answer.
Furthermore, this is an ENTIRELY new system. It will not be implimented correctly the first iteration. that will cost more money to fix. I agree that we need healthcare reform. But we need a lot of things and financially we are, uh, strained.
As for education, taking an ax to administrators isn't an answer either. What are we going to do then? Pay healthcare for people that aren't paying in? Give them unemployment? Come on
SupremeCommander wrote:jazz74 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:This is a joke. This is a bunch of history whores overextending the country. Implementing this system will probably cost another $ trillion+. While I'm in favor of greater equality, I am not in favor of putting an even greater burden on stat governments and an even greater burden on business (in terms of money paid into healthcare). This is in violation of the 10th Amendment. The Federal Government is mandating state expenditure. New Jersey just clipped its education budget by just $900 million due to budget constraints and New Jersey is one of the wealthier states in the country.
This is bullshit. This is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I want these fucking politicians to take their thumbs out of their asses and stop pandering to history and its landmarks. I hope the DEMOCRAT from Tennessee is successful in leading the charge against this bullshit and proving this system is illegal.
so you are saying we don't need health care for everyone? are we the only first world nation without some sort of health care for everyone? it is needed and tho it needs more money, it is money by tax increase of those making $250,0000 a year, 10% of this population. i do agree with education and that is why i didnt vote for that crook christie but that is also a case in point with the conservative way of budgeting: instead of getting rid of the countless administrative positions they get rid of education programs and teaching positions. well, that is another issue and we will see nj's education rank, which was 8th in the nation, which was the highest we have been in awhile, slide back to the way it was in the early 90's and they will still blame teachers.
SupremeCommander wrote:While I'm in favor of greater equality, I am not in favor of putting an even greater burden on stat governments and an even greater burden on business
I am not in favor of spending at a huge deficit while we are already at a huge deficit. Like I said, this is robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's bullshit. Another $ trillion+ in deficit is not the answer. The federal government mandating states to do shit is not the answer.
Furthermore, this is an ENTIRELY new system. It will not be implimented correctly the first iteration. that will cost more money to fix. I agree that we need healthcare reform. But we need a lot of things and financially we are, uh, strained.
As for education, taking an ax to administrators isn't an answer either. What are we going to do then? Pay healthcare for people that aren't paying in? Give them unemployment? Come on
sooo we need two principals making six figures in one school? we need a district that has three superintendents when we could have one to do the job? but instead we cut homework club, tutoring, breakfast programs, bsi teachers, classroom funding, teacher's positions? will that benefit the kids? i teach and i see this in our district of a lower middle class town and we worked hard to get the kids where they are at with these programs and now they will go away. something needs to be done and cutting these programs that benefit the reason we are there for isnt the answer either.
SupremeCommander wrote:This is a joke. This is a bunch of history whores overextending the country. Implementing this system will probably cost another $ trillion+. While I'm in favor of greater equality, I am not in favor of putting an even greater burden on stat governments and an even greater burden on business (in terms of money paid into healthcare). This is in violation of the 10th Amendment. The Federal Government is mandating state expenditure. New Jersey just clipped its education budget by just $900 million due to budget constraints and New Jersey is one of the wealthier states in the country.
This is bullshit. This is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I want these fucking politicians to take their thumbs out of their asses and stop pandering to history and its landmarks. I hope the DEMOCRAT from Tennessee is successful in leading the charge against this bullshit and proving this system is illegal.
Its not going to add to the deficit. Thats a republican talking point. The same republicans who cared nothing about our national surplus turning into a deficit during the Bush years.
The bill will be funded through taxing rich people by increasing the percentage that they have to pay into medicare and by including dividends as income. Given the extreme wealth inequality in this country, and the moral stigma associated with the "greatest industrialized nation" not providing health care for its citizens, this is a small price to pay.
"We got money for wars, but cant feed the poor" --- 2pac.
Time for America to man up for once.
jazz74 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:jazz74 wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:This is a joke. This is a bunch of history whores overextending the country. Implementing this system will probably cost another $ trillion+. While I'm in favor of greater equality, I am not in favor of putting an even greater burden on stat governments and an even greater burden on business (in terms of money paid into healthcare). This is in violation of the 10th Amendment. The Federal Government is mandating state expenditure. New Jersey just clipped its education budget by just $900 million due to budget constraints and New Jersey is one of the wealthier states in the country.
This is bullshit. This is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I want these fucking politicians to take their thumbs out of their asses and stop pandering to history and its landmarks. I hope the DEMOCRAT from Tennessee is successful in leading the charge against this bullshit and proving this system is illegal.
so you are saying we don't need health care for everyone? are we the only first world nation without some sort of health care for everyone? it is needed and tho it needs more money, it is money by tax increase of those making $250,0000 a year, 10% of this population. i do agree with education and that is why i didnt vote for that crook christie but that is also a case in point with the conservative way of budgeting: instead of getting rid of the countless administrative positions they get rid of education programs and teaching positions. well, that is another issue and we will see nj's education rank, which was 8th in the nation, which was the highest we have been in awhile, slide back to the way it was in the early 90's and they will still blame teachers.
SupremeCommander wrote:While I'm in favor of greater equality, I am not in favor of putting an even greater burden on stat governments and an even greater burden on business
I am not in favor of spending at a huge deficit while we are already at a huge deficit. Like I said, this is robbing Peter to pay Paul. It's bullshit. Another $ trillion+ in deficit is not the answer. The federal government mandating states to do shit is not the answer.
Furthermore, this is an ENTIRELY new system. It will not be implimented correctly the first iteration. that will cost more money to fix. I agree that we need healthcare reform. But we need a lot of things and financially we are, uh, strained.
As for education, taking an ax to administrators isn't an answer either. What are we going to do then? Pay healthcare for people that aren't paying in? Give them unemployment? Come on
sooo we need two principals making six figures in one school? we need a district that has three superintendents when we could have one to do the job? but instead we cut homework club, tutoring, breakfast programs, bsi teachers, classroom funding, teacher's positions? will that benefit the kids? i teach and i see this in our district of a lower middle class town and we worked hard to get the kids where they are at with these programs and now they will go away. something needs to be done and cutting these programs that benefit the reason we are there for isnt the answer either.
you have anything to say regarding healthcare?
sebstar wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:This is a joke. This is a bunch of history whores overextending the country. Implementing this system will probably cost another $ trillion+. While I'm in favor of greater equality, I am not in favor of putting an even greater burden on stat governments and an even greater burden on business (in terms of money paid into healthcare). This is in violation of the 10th Amendment. The Federal Government is mandating state expenditure. New Jersey just clipped its education budget by just $900 million due to budget constraints and New Jersey is one of the wealthier states in the country.
This is bullshit. This is robbing Peter to pay Paul. I want these fucking politicians to take their thumbs out of their asses and stop pandering to history and its landmarks. I hope the DEMOCRAT from Tennessee is successful in leading the charge against this bullshit and proving this system is illegal.
Its not going to add to the deficit. Thats a republican talking point. The same republicans who cared nothing about our national surplus turning into a deficit during the Bush years.
The bill will be funded through taxing rich people by increasing the percentage that they have to pay into medicare and by including dividends as income. Given the extreme wealth inequality in this country, and the moral stigma associated with the "greatest industrialized nation" not providing health care for its citizens, this is a small price to pay.
"We got money for wars, but cant feed the poor" --- 2pac.
Time for America to man up for once.
It most certainly will cost Americans money in the short term, and am citing a New York Times article with my numbers (will search later, going out now).
We're talking about installing a completely new system and a complete overhaul. This will cost a fortune. It may save money decades out, but this will require a huge capital outlay up front. It's my belief that will (1) spread the government too thin financially, (2)make the federal government too big, and (3) prohibit the state government from providing services I care about, namely education and transportation.
There will be insane initial cash outlays to implement a new system because that's the case with any new system. You don't just change the way you do things and have that cost nothing. That's not a republican talking point that's just the way it is
And when those types of services falter and the transition isn't smooth (because when switching to new systems rarely is the transition smooth) people are going to get angry. And when some old man is spouting off about the DMV quality healthcare he is receiving because he's footing the bill for people that don't work, some of that venom will spread. Especially when the poor kids who aren't going to school--because what's the point of going to a shit school--come to a better town to hang and whose mom isn't putting into the system but taking out, there'g going to be a lot of bad news articles posted here
So, yes, I would much rather exercise some fiscal discipline and plan towards a healthcare solution when it is economically viable and doesn't sacrifice other social programs that quite frankly are more important.
