Off Topic · Iran spits at us (page 1)
No one would want me president. I would give Israel anything they needed militarily to blow that country back into the Stone ages. When they thought the bombing would stop I would shove 100's more down their throats and would not stop until I didn't hear a sound. Who wants war--I certainly don't. But if a country like Iran with dubious intentions will not bargain with the rest of the world--what other option do I have? Do I let Iran make 300 Atomic weapons? Anyone hear want to sign off on that? Guess what--they would use them on your mother brother and sons and daughters no matter creed color you happen to be. It's just a lesson from history that no one in power can ignore. I would give them an ultimatum--either come to a complete verifiable halt--or prepare to be neutralized in a very aggressive manner.
BRIGGS wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100409/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear
No one would want me president. I would give Israel anything they needed militarily to blow that country back into the Stone ages. When they thought the bombing would stop I would shove 100's more down their throats and would not stop until I didn't hear a sound. Who wants war--I certainly don't. But if a country like Iran with dubious intentions will not bargain with the rest of the world--what other option do I have? Do I let Iran make 300 Atomic weapons? Anyone hear want to sign off on that? Guess what--they would use them on your mother brother and sons and daughters no matter creed color you happen to be. It's just a lesson from history that no one in power can ignore. I would give them an ultimatum--either come to a complete verifiable halt--or prepare to be neutralized in a very aggressive manner.
Yes, help Israel some more. Then Israel can continue its path to take over Palestine and eventually Iran and other Middle Eastern nations with USA's support, which will only lead to more crazy "die for the 72 virgins" guys blowing themselves up on subways and smashing planes into high-rise buildings.
BRIGGS wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100409/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear
No one would want me president. I would give Israel anything they needed militarily to blow that country back into the Stone ages. When they thought the bombing would stop I would shove 100's more down their throats and would not stop until I didn't hear a sound. Who wants war--I certainly don't. But if a country like Iran with dubious intentions will not bargain with the rest of the world--what other option do I have? Do I let Iran make 300 Atomic weapons? Anyone hear want to sign off on that? Guess what--they would use them on your mother brother and sons and daughters no matter creed color you happen to be. It's just a lesson from history that no one in power can ignore. I would give them an ultimatum--either come to a complete verifiable halt--or prepare to be neutralized in a very aggressive manner.
I can't even....
Childs2Dudley wrote:BRIGGS wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100409/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear
No one would want me president. I would give Israel anything they needed militarily to blow that country back into the Stone ages. When they thought the bombing would stop I would shove 100's more down their throats and would not stop until I didn't hear a sound. Who wants war--I certainly don't. But if a country like Iran with dubious intentions will not bargain with the rest of the world--what other option do I have? Do I let Iran make 300 Atomic weapons? Anyone hear want to sign off on that? Guess what--they would use them on your mother brother and sons and daughters no matter creed color you happen to be. It's just a lesson from history that no one in power can ignore. I would give them an ultimatum--either come to a complete verifiable halt--or prepare to be neutralized in a very aggressive manner.Yes, help Israel some more. Then Israel can continue its path to take over Palestine and eventually Iran and other Middle Eastern nations with USA's support, which will only lead to more crazy "die for the 72 virgins" guys blowing themselves up on subways and smashing planes into high-rise buildings.
So you'd prefer to acquiesce in allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons for fear of retribution from guys wielding boxcutters and bags of fertilizer mixed with gasoline? For what purpose do you suppose Iran wants nuclear weapons?
kam77 wrote:Briggs wants to shove bombs down the throats of every living and breathing man woiman and child but hey.. "Who wants war" he claims.
See Briggs thinks all Middle Eastern countries are the same Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, what's the difference he thinks they all live in caves and practices radical Islam, plotting the destruction of the Israel and the US. Anyone not living in the US, Western Europe, and Israel is backwards, uneducated, and savage. So when in that type of mind-set it's no big deal to advocate for the death and destruction of millions of people.
kam77 wrote:Briggs wants to shove bombs down the throats of every living and breathing man woiman and child but hey.. "Who wants war" he claims.
God help Donnie Walsh if he doesn't draft Jimmer Fredette this summer 
bitty41 wrote:kam77 wrote:Briggs wants to shove bombs down the throats of every living and breathing man woiman and child but hey.. "Who wants war" he claims.See Briggs thinks all Middle Eastern countries are the same Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, what's the difference he thinks they all live in caves and practices radical Islam, plotting the destruction of the Israel and the US. Anyone not living in the US, Western Europe, and Israel is backwards, uneducated, and savage. So when in that type of mind-set it's no big deal to advocate for the death and destruction of millions of people.
the interesting thing about all this is that most of the citizens in iran do not favor their current govt. yet, we should just blow everyone up regardless because they live in the same country????????
EwingsGlass wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:BRIGGS wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100409/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear
No one would want me president. I would give Israel anything they needed militarily to blow that country back into the Stone ages. When they thought the bombing would stop I would shove 100's more down their throats and would not stop until I didn't hear a sound. Who wants war--I certainly don't. But if a country like Iran with dubious intentions will not bargain with the rest of the world--what other option do I have? Do I let Iran make 300 Atomic weapons? Anyone hear want to sign off on that? Guess what--they would use them on your mother brother and sons and daughters no matter creed color you happen to be. It's just a lesson from history that no one in power can ignore. I would give them an ultimatum--either come to a complete verifiable halt--or prepare to be neutralized in a very aggressive manner.Yes, help Israel some more. Then Israel can continue its path to take over Palestine and eventually Iran and other Middle Eastern nations with USA's support, which will only lead to more crazy "die for the 72 virgins" guys blowing themselves up on subways and smashing planes into high-rise buildings.
So you'd prefer to acquiesce in allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons for fear of retribution from guys wielding boxcutters and bags of fertilizer mixed with gasoline? For what purpose do you suppose Iran wants nuclear weapons?
Iran wants nuclear weapons for the same reasons any other nuclear weapon possessing nation wanted nuclear weapons... for international leverage & legitimacy... why did Great Britain & France want nuclear weapons? so they could bomb the fug out of Germany?
EwingsGlass wrote: For what purpose do you suppose Iran wants nuclear weapons?
What purpose do YOU suppose Iran wants nuclear weapons?
Like any country, Iran should be able to solve their energy requirements with Nuclear power. Why not? They know their oil+gas reserves and how much longer until they're tapped out. Should Iran not prepare for the day their oil wells run dry?
kam77 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote: For what purpose do you suppose Iran wants nuclear weapons?What purpose do YOU suppose Iran wants nuclear weapons?
Like any country, Iran should be able to solve their energy requirements with Nuclear power. Why not? They know their oil+gas reserves and how much longer until they're tapped out. Should Iran not prepare for the day their oil wells run dry?
i agree with you about a country's right to preserve their energy requirements, but Ahmadinejad is not doing a good job of playing nice in the sandbox with the rest of the world. he's thrreatened to blow-up israel and continues to poke jabs at the US in various regards. if he went the diplomatic route, he could have probably secured a few well needed allies to help in his energy reserve cause. plus the fact that he is authorizing killing his own citizens in the streets when they protest.
all in all, does not make for people wanting to befriend him. too bad too, because its clear his views are not the views of the majorityu populus of iran.
jimimou wrote:bitty41 wrote:kam77 wrote:Briggs wants to shove bombs down the throats of every living and breathing man woiman and child but hey.. "Who wants war" he claims.See Briggs thinks all Middle Eastern countries are the same Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, what's the difference he thinks they all live in caves and practices radical Islam, plotting the destruction of the Israel and the US. Anyone not living in the US, Western Europe, and Israel is backwards, uneducated, and savage. So when in that type of mind-set it's no big deal to advocate for the death and destruction of millions of people.
the interesting thing about all this is that most of the citizens in iran do not favor their current govt. yet, we should just blow everyone up regardless because they live in the same country????????
Exactly! It's like holding all Americans accountable for George Bush's action as President or saying that the US should be bombed because Obama continues to send troops to Afghanistan. Some of us live in a world where it's "do as I say and not do as I do"
jimimou wrote:bitty41 wrote:kam77 wrote:Briggs wants to shove bombs down the throats of every living and breathing man woiman and child but hey.. "Who wants war" he claims.See Briggs thinks all Middle Eastern countries are the same Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, what's the difference he thinks they all live in caves and practices radical Islam, plotting the destruction of the Israel and the US. Anyone not living in the US, Western Europe, and Israel is backwards, uneducated, and savage. So when in that type of mind-set it's no big deal to advocate for the death and destruction of millions of people.
the interesting thing about all this is that most of the citizens in iran do not favor their current govt. yet, we should just blow everyone up regardless because they live in the same country????????
Exactly! It's like holding all Americans accountable for George Bush's action as President or saying that the US should be bombed because Obama continues to send troops to Afghanistan. Some of us live in a world where it's "do as I say and not do as I do"
i agree with you about a country's right to preserve their energy requirements, but Ahmadinejad is not doing a good job of playing nice in the sandbox with the rest of the world. he's thrreatened to blow-up israel and continues to poke jabs at the US in various regards. if he went the diplomatic route, he could have probably secured a few well needed allies to help in his energy reserve cause. plus the fact that he is authorizing killing his own citizens in the streets when they protest.
all in all, does not make for people wanting to befriend him. too bad too, because its clear his views are not the views of the majorityu populus of iran.
The President is not even the one that controls these decisions regarding the use of nuclear weapons the Supreme Leader of Iran is the one that dictates military policy in Iran. Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, issued a fatwa some time ago against nuclear weapons and he said: "We fundamentally reject nuclear weapons."
The International Atomic Energy Agency which inspected Iran's facilities in 2009 and their then chief said this about Iran's capabilities: there was "no credible evidence" about an Iranian weapons attempt. He said: "I do not think based on what we see that Iran has an ongoing nuclear weapons programme."
Our media outlets have been reporting on a slant about Iran of them being the next Boogie Monster in the Middle East and I hope if nothing else we've learned from the follies in Afghanistan and Iraq that we should develop concrete credible information before taking any action and that diplomacy should always be the first option. Going to war or what Briggs foolishly proposes would lead to WW3.
kam77 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote: For what purpose do you suppose Iran wants nuclear weapons?What purpose do YOU suppose Iran wants nuclear weapons?
Like any country, Iran should be able to solve their energy requirements with Nuclear power. Why not? They know their oil+gas reserves and how much longer until they're tapped out. Should Iran not prepare for the day their oil wells run dry?
I think there is a difference between reactor grade fissile material and weapons grade fissile material. I don't have a problem with reactor grade material. I have a problem with weapons grade. Because of the difference, the world community has subjected itself to non-proliferation and inspection to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons. Iran is not part of that non-proliferation treaty.
I think that Ahmanadejad and his predecessors have been quite open about their foreign policy and their beliefs on Israel. He has clearly stated his desire to wipe Israel off the map.
Furthermore, a nation with their track record does not gain "legitimacy" in foreign affairs with a nuclear weapon. They get the right to blackmail the rest of the world. I'd prefer to have discussions with them before they get weapons grade material, rather than after. And while not the most ideal scenario, I might consider the use of force to stop them.
TMS wrote:how does someone living in the only country to have ever actually used a nuclear weapon against another have the right to judge the ulterior motives behind another nation developing nuclear arms? i'm having a hard time reconciling that notion. don't u think the US gains political leverage over other nations by having nuclear arms? do u think a country like North Korea would be taken seriously if not for their nuclear capability? Iran is seeking to gain the same kind of political leverage... they're not stupid enough to nuke another nation using the weapons they develop, otherwise they'd be signing their own death warrants... no one is stupid enough to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on anyone in this day & age, not even the United States... there's way too much at stake now & we're no longer the only big kid on the block that has nuclear capability.
well, it was a domino effect with us using such a weapon that, tho horrific, was necessary to end the war. at the time, japan was not going to give up even if germany and italy pulled out because their motives were different from the two. we warned them we had a weapon and to give up which they didnt. fdr had to make good of his promise or we would have been at a vulnerable position with reported japanese submarines off of the coast of california. however, the collateral damage of hiroshima that affects that city today, almost 70 years later, is disheartening to say the least. however, you are right. the reason why countries accumulate these weapons is for legitimacy and to be considered a power. no one will be stupid enough to launch one because then they are enemies of the world. world war 3 would start and it wont be pretty.
bitty41 wrote:kam77 wrote:Briggs wants to shove bombs down the throats of every living and breathing man woiman and child but hey.. "Who wants war" he claims.See Briggs thinks all Middle Eastern countries are the same Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, what's the difference he thinks they all live in caves and practices radical Islam, plotting the destruction of the Israel and the US. Anyone not living in the US, Western Europe, and Israel is backwards, uneducated, and savage. So when in that type of mind-set it's no big deal to advocate for the death and destruction of millions of people.
Bitty---would you take even a 5% chance that Iran would make a nuclear bomb that was capable of being entrenched in a mobile device and delivered to US soil to be detonated? And if that takes out your entire family--was is your take on that? I'm sure many Germans felt hopeless and disgusted when their government set out to wipe anyone who did not have blonde hair and blue eyes off the Earth. What did they do when their military killed 6mm Jews?
I am talking direct targeting of all governmental and military targets within Iran. I would wipe out their government and military. I would use Israel to launch a powerful conventional attack on such targets. If there was a counter-attack against Isreal--I would then order a small strategic nuclear attack against the same targets until there was surrender. It worked in WW2 and it will work now.
Hopefully a massive conventional strike would be sufficient but I would not stop and nothing is off the table. There is no second chance--it's an all or nothing strike. Would there be collateral damage--yes. Would the Iranian people who are dissatisfied with current government be able to change it for the better once order was again established--yes. Did a nuclear attack destroy Japan --no. It actually propelled them into a great modern society ruled by democracy. It's pretty simple--we have to wipe them out and it's going to happen.
jazz74 wrote:TMS wrote:how does someone living in the only country to have ever actually used a nuclear weapon against another have the right to judge the ulterior motives behind another nation developing nuclear arms? i'm having a hard time reconciling that notion. don't u think the US gains political leverage over other nations by having nuclear arms? do u think a country like North Korea would be taken seriously if not for their nuclear capability? Iran is seeking to gain the same kind of political leverage... they're not stupid enough to nuke another nation using the weapons they develop, otherwise they'd be signing their own death warrants... no one is stupid enough to launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on anyone in this day & age, not even the United States... there's way too much at stake now & we're no longer the only big kid on the block that has nuclear capability.well, it was a domino effect with us using such a weapon that, tho horrific, was necessary to end the war. at the time, japan was not going to give up even if germany and italy pulled out because their motives were different from the two. we warned them we had a weapon and to give up which they didnt. fdr had to make good of his promise or we would have been at a vulnerable position with reported japanese submarines off of the coast of california. however, the collateral damage of hiroshima that affects that city today, almost 70 years later, is disheartening to say the least. however, you are right. the reason why countries accumulate these weapons is for legitimacy and to be considered a power. no one will be stupid enough to launch one because then they are enemies of the world. world war 3 would start and it wont be pretty.
ok first of all it was Truman that signed off on dropping the bombs, not FDR, & many of his own military advisors including MacArthur & Eisenhower didn't think the bombings were even necessary to force a Japanese surrender even as our military forces were facing huge losses in recent battles with the Japanese, whose own losses were tenfold in recent bloody battles that occured on Iwo Jima & Okinawa... the bombs were dropped to save thousands of US soldier lives & huge costs in valuable resources that would have been lost if the planned invasion of the Japanese mainland had to take place, so Truman bowed to the increasing pressure he was facing from the homefront to end the war & signed off on wasting hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese civilian lives by nuking an industrial center & a key seaport that were fueling the Japanese war machine.
in the process the US also showed once & for all they were the big kids on the block & sent a clear message to Stalin & Russia who's got the bigger cock, & staved off a possible Russian invasion of the Japanese mainland to keep them from gaining any of the spoils in a Japanese surrender... the Russians had already invaded Manchuria around the time of the Hiroshima bombing & were on the brink of turning their sights on Japanese occupied China, Korea & Japan themselves... Russia & Japan had been fighting for control of that area of the world for half a century already that culminated in the Russo-Japanese War of 1905, it was no secret they had a vested interest to gain a foothold of control in that region if Japan surrendered... so we dropped the second nuke on Nagasaki to speed up the process of an unconditional Japanese surrender & contain the spread of communism to replace the fascist & imperialist regimes we just got done eliminating.
look i got no love for the Japanese after all the bad history with Korea, trust me, but playing the hand of God in dropping nukes on another country is just wrong any way you wanna look at it... war is never pretty but when you go to war you do so with the understanding that many soldiers' lives will be lost, but to waste innocent civilian lives like that is IMO nothing short but an act of terror... look at the world outcry when 9/11 happened & 3000 innocent US civilian lives were murdered & multiply that about about a thousand fold & you'll have an inkling of what happened in Hiroshima & Nagasaki... just as bad were the Tokyo firebombing campaigns that murdered even more innocent civilian lives.
& then you had the Japanese-American internment camps that were set up here in the States that pretty much stripped US citizens of Japanese descent of their dignity during WW2... after Pearl Harbor happened, Japanese people were demonized & stripped of their humanity by American propaganda campaigns as being nothing but bucktoothed, glasses wearing sinister Charlie Chan caracatures that sought to kill all Americans... the slogan "Kill all Japs!" was commonly heard & many Americans were so incensed by the attack on US soil that they were out for Japanese blood, & whether you were Japanese, of mixed Japanese heritage or even Asian in general, as long as you looked the part you were a Jap that had to be eliminated... the war hysteria of the time fueled a huge racial prejudice against Asians that still exists to this day in this country... the propaganda fueled demonization of Japanese helped to minimalize the obvious reality that a huge amount of innocent lives were being lost in the Pacific War to the American public.