Off Topic · UVA Lacrosse Murder (page 1)
Took My daughter to see Duke girls lacrosse, ranked no 2 then vs Virginia ranked 5. Virginia won on the road by a goal, very exciting!
Kind of spooky to see this lovely girl and top athlete and 6 weeks later read about her murder. I feel awful for the girls team as they are top 5 team and you can tell it was a very close team. Duke has like twice the girls and twice the coaches. Virginia looked like they were having more fun. Mens team has to be angry and hurt for both what this asshole has done and for ruining a special season. These dude are currently No.1. Im sure other players knew or were friends with Yeardly Love and must be hurting as well.
Nalod wrote:High profile athletes on high profile top nationally ranked teams. Doubt it reaches such news if not for them being athletes.Took My daughter to see Duke girls lacrosse, ranked no 2 then vs Virginia ranked 5. Virginia won on the road by a goal, very exciting!
Kind of spooky to see this lovely girl and top athlete and 6 weeks later read about her murder. I feel awful for the girls team as they are top 5 team and you can tell it was a very close team. Duke has like twice the girls and twice the coaches. Virginia looked like they were having more fun. Mens team has to be angry and hurt for both what this asshole has done and for ruining a special season. These dude are currently No.1. Im sure other players knew or were friends with Yeardly Love and must be hurting as well.
When I read about this story the last thing that even entered into my mind was about how their respective team' season would be affected by this poor girl's murder.
bitty41 wrote:Nalod wrote:High profile athletes on high profile top nationally ranked teams. Doubt it reaches such news if not for them being athletes.Took My daughter to see Duke girls lacrosse, ranked no 2 then vs Virginia ranked 5. Virginia won on the road by a goal, very exciting!
Kind of spooky to see this lovely girl and top athlete and 6 weeks later read about her murder. I feel awful for the girls team as they are top 5 team and you can tell it was a very close team. Duke has like twice the girls and twice the coaches. Virginia looked like they were having more fun. Mens team has to be angry and hurt for both what this asshole has done and for ruining a special season. These dude are currently No.1. Im sure other players knew or were friends with Yeardly Love and must be hurting as well.
When I read about this story the last thing that even entered into my mind was about how their respective team' season would be affected by this poor girl's murder.
Me too. We were horrified.
WE saw this girl play just a few weeks ago. I saw her because she is on a nationally ranked team. ESPN runs the story because of who they were and where they go to school and are athletes. The thread was started because it is a national story.
When I read your comment it seems your making a public attempt to elevate your values by trying to indict my post as my official position. Your a smart person bitty, but your a bit out of line on this one.
I got children Bitty, a Daughter, and as a parent stuff like this kicks the breath out of you. We sat with the Virginia parents and most likley her's were right there. My thoughts were of those people.
I even have thoughts for HIS parents and what his actions have done to that family. I have a 19 year old son and couldn't imagine if he did somting like this. HIs actions ruined many lives.
DOn't assume your the only one with a heart.
I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the idea that both teams are going to continue competing, but thats certainly their call. I dont know what else to offer other than R.I.P. We need to treat each other better, and definitely use better judgement about the people we bring into our lives.
I feel awful for the girls team as they are top 5 team
Mens team has to be angry and hurt for both what this ******* has done and for ruining a special season.
I don't know how the girls can carry on emotionally. The men should continue if they can. I can imagine some of them considered Ms Love a friend and its gonna be tough.
Maybe Sebby its not about the ratings but a group of people binding together for a common cause and moving forward. It takes courage. Lacrosse is not a big draw or money maker and these kids really have few playing opitons after school
Maybe by playing and bringin attention to the problem of domestic violence on campus does a greater good.
Nalod wrote:Bitty, Of course you did. YOu only look for the worst somtimes and jump on it. The backdrop of this is tragic. One would assume this. Its easy to offer a shallow condolance on a knick thread to upstage Ol' Nalod. My daugher and teammates are wearing Orange bands with her number on it not just in her memory but to bring domestic violence to a higher level of awareness amung teens. We think if this makes one teen girl more aware that even young men can be abusive it may just save a life one day and Ms. Love's death was not in vain.I don't know how the girls can carry on emotionally. The men should continue if they can. I can imagine some of them considered Ms Love a friend and its gonna be tough.
Maybe Sebby its not about the ratings but a group of people binding together for a common cause and moving forward. It takes courage. Lacrosse is not a big draw or money maker and these kids really have few playing opitons after school
Maybe by playing and bringin attention to the problem of domestic violence on campus does a greater good.
The fact that Ms. Love played Lacrosse or that he played Lacrosse does not make her death anymore or any less tragic. She could have been on the chess team or worked in the school book store and her death would have been tragic. All those things are secondary to this woman's death. So for me the mentioning of her being on the Lacrosse team was only necessary insofar as giving a perspective of what her life was but beyond that it has no bearing anymore. That is my only point so I don't if you are trying to assuage some guilt or whatever but I read your initial comments found them slightly insensitive in that you chose to mention how Ms. Love and Mr Hugely's team season would affected by this tragedy I don't really think anyone cares at this juncture about their seasons most of their teammates are probably devastated or in shock. I think you need to remember that not everyone deals with tragedy in the same way. I think for the Men's team it would be a tremendously bad idea for them to continue their season especially since their former teammate is the one accused of killing Ms. Love. I think most people would see that move as callous.
But you know what I use to work with victims of Domestic Violence and I still sit on the board of one women' shelter so if you are still feeling the need to prove your empathy donate to your local women' shelter or the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence this weekend even if it's just $10.
Nalod wrote:Maybe Sebby its not about the ratings but a group of people binding together for a common cause and moving forward. It takes courage. Lacrosse is not a big draw or money maker and these kids really have few playing opitons after school
Maybe by playing and bringin attention to the problem of domestic violence on campus does a greater good.
Ur top player is accused of murder....a high profile murder of a female player on the women's team. I think the right thing would be to fall back and not play. It just creates a macabre appeal. The female team I can see them rallying around the game for support, but for the men it might be the right thing to bow out. Just my opinion.
sebstar wrote:Nalod wrote:Maybe Sebby its not about the ratings but a group of people binding together for a common cause and moving forward. It takes courage. Lacrosse is not a big draw or money maker and these kids really have few playing opitons after school
Maybe by playing and bringin attention to the problem of domestic violence on campus does a greater good.
Ur top player is accused of murder....a high profile murder of a female player on the women's team. I think the right thing would be to fall back and not play. It just creates a macabre appeal. The female team I can see them rallying around the game for support, but for the men it might be the right thing to bow out. Just my opinion.
I think your opinion holds universal appeal
bitty41 wrote:Nalod wrote:Bitty, Of course you did. YOu only look for the worst somtimes and jump on it. The backdrop of this is tragic. One would assume this. Its easy to offer a shallow condolance on a knick thread to upstage Ol' Nalod. My daugher and teammates are wearing Orange bands with her number on it not just in her memory but to bring domestic violence to a higher level of awareness amung teens. We think if this makes one teen girl more aware that even young men can be abusive it may just save a life one day and Ms. Love's death was not in vain.I don't know how the girls can carry on emotionally. The men should continue if they can. I can imagine some of them considered Ms Love a friend and its gonna be tough.
Maybe Sebby its not about the ratings but a group of people binding together for a common cause and moving forward. It takes courage. Lacrosse is not a big draw or money maker and these kids really have few playing opitons after school
Maybe by playing and bringin attention to the problem of domestic violence on campus does a greater good.
The fact that Ms. Love played Lacrosse or that he played Lacrosse does not make her death anymore or any less tragic. She could have been on the chess team or worked in the school book store and her death would have been tragic. All those things are secondary to this woman's death. So for me the mentioning of her being on the Lacrosse team was only necessary insofar as giving a perspective of what her life was but beyond that it has no bearing anymore. That is my only point so I don't if you are trying to assuage some guilt or whatever but I read your initial comments found them slightly insensitive in that you chose to mention how Ms. Love and Mr Hugely's team season would affected by this tragedy I don't really think anyone cares at this juncture about their seasons most of their teammates are probably devastated or in shock. I think you need to remember that not everyone deals with tragedy in the same way. I think for the Men's team it would be a tremendously bad idea for them to continue their season especially since their former teammate is the one accused of killing Ms. Love. I think most people would see that move as callous.
But you know what I use to work with victims of Domestic Violence and I still sit on the board of one women' shelter so if you are still feeling the need to prove your empathy donate to your local women' shelter or the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence this weekend even if it's just $10.
I agree that her death is no more or less tragic due to her circumstance--she was murdered. People reflect upon this greater than normal due to their positions as student-athletes. Both the victim and perpetrator had stand-out positions on campus due to the role on their team, which fueled the media frenzy. Given the timing of the tournament with these murders, it is a bit difficult to differentiate.
All that said I do agree with you in terms of the absolute. Unfortunately, what should be important is often neglected in the media and in its discussion
There is no excuse for what he did.
As far as the lacrosse team, it is not their fault so I don't see why they should stop playing. There are plenty of players on both teams who have put a lot of hard work into getting to where they are. At this point they should be playing for the memory of the woman who was killed - I see no reason why everyone should suffer for the actions of one extremely messed up individual.
OasisBU wrote:This guy was not the top player on the team - but he is a stone cold murderer who should be brought to justice to the fullest extent that the law allows.There is no excuse for what he did.
As far as the lacrosse team, it is not their fault so I don't see why they should stop playing. There are plenty of players on both teams who have put a lot of hard work into getting to where they are. At this point they should be playing for the memory of the woman who was killed - I see no reason why everyone should suffer for the actions of one extremely messed up individual.
My bad, I thought I heard something about him being one of their top players. In any event, of course its not their fault but they should look at the big picture.
sebstar wrote:OasisBU wrote:This guy was not the top player on the team - but he is a stone cold murderer who should be brought to justice to the fullest extent that the law allows.There is no excuse for what he did.
As far as the lacrosse team, it is not their fault so I don't see why they should stop playing. There are plenty of players on both teams who have put a lot of hard work into getting to where they are. At this point they should be playing for the memory of the woman who was killed - I see no reason why everyone should suffer for the actions of one extremely messed up individual.
My bad, I thought I heard something about him being one of their top players. In any event, of course its not their fault but they should look at the big picture.
I hear you - I think the media might be overblowing the impact this guy had on the team as a player. There are a bunch of awesome guys on the team.
It's a tough call as far as deciding to play and i wouldn't want the school capitalizing on this young womans death. However, the team was pretty popular prior to this but it will definitely attract more attention now. I don't think that is UVA taking advantage though.
Also, the entire Charlottesville community is pretty upset about this. Especially since this is the second murder of a young woman in the community within the past year.
What is the story with the other murder you referenced?
I graduated from UVA undergrad in '96. Back then, the men's lacrosse players were all in one frat and constantly got into scraps. I know the administration is kicking itself right now, but I'm not sure how you could have prevented this. This guy just sounds like he went over the deep end and lost his mind. Could have happened anywhere. Thank god it doesn't happen more often on college campuses.
jusnice wrote:OasisBU wrote: Also, the entire Charlottesville community is pretty upset about this. Especially since this is the second murder of a young woman in the community within the past year.What is the story with the other murder you referenced?
I graduated from UVA undergrad in '96. Back then, the men's lacrosse players were all in one frat and constantly got into scraps. I know the administration is kicking itself right now, but I'm not sure how you could have prevented this. This guy just sounds like he went over the deep end and lost his mind. Could have happened anywhere. Thank god it doesn't happen more often on college campuses.
In the fall a girl named Morgan disappeared from a Metallica concert, she was with her friends and walked outside to get something and the concert security would not let her back in. Nobody knows what happened next but they found her body in the woods by some farm in January or February and have no leads on who killed her. Pretty spooky.
sebstar wrote:I bet whoever didnt let her in feels like a complete jackass.
Yeah - I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if I was that security guard