Knicks · The official definitive Starphucher thread: "A young persons guide to starphuching in sports" (page 3)

loweyecue wrote:This stuff is over the top. We can't hve threads like this. You guys are all part of the extended family, we are all on the same side. People poking fun at each other is just how message boards work. Sometimes it's hard to see the humor through an lcd screen and it maybe read as something different. But we are all big boyz here, lets forget this thread and move on, please!

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Damn, should have been here back in the "pile on Bonn3po" in the days "gay robot" actually was kind of funny!

Bonn was a good sport and years later the dude hung tough and is still here. Some funny shyt back then.

Nalod wrote:Damn, should have been here back in the "pile on Bonn3po" in the days "gay robot" actually was kind of funny!

Bonn was a good sport and years later the dude hung tough and is still here. Some funny shyt back then.

Got you by five months. Was this a thread to see if TMS would hang tough? This is a basketball forum.

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Damn, should have been here back in the "pile on Bonn3po" in the days "gay robot" actually was kind of funny!

Bonn was a good sport and years later the dude hung tough and is still here. Some funny shyt back then.

Got you by five months. Was this a thread to see if TMS would hang tough? This is a basketball forum.

Nope. Has nothing to do with TMS. I referenced others who think this is all out of line.

This thread if nothing compared to some heated discussions in threads over the years. Some dudes just boiled over. It happens.

Maybe starting self glossing threads that are crack backs on other posters aren't a good idea. I like the diversity of opinions here and lately a lot of really good posters have been dropping out. Reading through the thread it appears if TMS leaves his issues are more with Martin but I think it would be a shame to lose another loyal fan that brings it to this forum.

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Damn, should have been here back in the "pile on Bonn3po" in the days "gay robot" actually was kind of funny!

Bonn was a good sport and years later the dude hung tough and is still here. Some funny shyt back then.

Got you by five months. Was this a thread to see if TMS would hang tough? This is a basketball forum.

Nope. Has nothing to do with TMS. I referenced others who think this is all out of line.

This thread if nothing compared to some heated discussions in threads over the years. Some dudes just boiled over. It happens.

TMS after 40,000 posts and perhaps tens of thousands more on threads unknown has choosen to somehow deflect his object argument in an attempt to discredit my introduction to the term "starphuching" to the KNick world.

Tms, you got grumpy on "starphuch" because your annoyed we don't agree. Thats your call. Nobody called you any names or flinged "starphucher" in your direction.

What ever.

Its entertainment. Its sports.

Prefer if you not leave over this. Your a "Starphuch" knick fan. So what? Its your belief. YOur passionate about this and want us to agree. You get respect. We all a little obnoxious from time to time. Martin had a little fun. Big deal.

40,000 posts is quite an accomplishment. Wonder if Martin will let you donate them to a fellow poster in need?

Please link me to the site. I'd be curious to see the fuss that is created.

Does TMS post there also? I really don't understand his offense, he called me out on the term and felt my "Manifesto" was really not intense. ITs not like "airbender"!

Dude you started this thread and wrote all this stuff and now you say it isn't about TMS?

Scathing? Hardly!

I said it was in response to TMS going on about the team "Starphuch" so I clearly are am not being clandestine here.

I defined that that a "starphucher" knick fan is one who is pasionate and wants to win now.

Crush, anything that your "Forensic" quoting talents highlighted above really that offensive? Please tell me cuz if I personally offended him in any reasonable manner I would be happy to retract any comment and apologize.

Check yourselves before you wreck yourselves.

Just reading this thread now.

I surely hope TMS returns soon.

TMS wrote:
thin skinned? this coming from a moderator who tells other people they can go post someplace else if he's ever challenged on anything, & i'm not talkin about this thread i'm talking about other encounters you've had with some other longtime posters like kam & sebstar...

Not sure what happened with Kam and Seb but I hope they'll come back soon too.

I'm very upset by this thread. Not just because it is causing our valued UK brothers to jump ship (just as Cap'n Zeke's return is imminent) but because I, in fact, invented the term "Starphucher" (except I spelled it Ztarphutcher).

Seriously though, I hope TMS considers just taking a break and coming back when he's got a little distance on the whole thing. I know how it feels to start taking all this stuff too seriously. Life is just to short to get upset about what's happening on an internet forum. In that regard, if it's upsetting you, then by all means - take a break, or stop altogether.

Nalod wrote:Scathing? Hardly!

I said it was in response to TMS going on about the team "Starphuch" so I clearly are am not being clandestine here.

I defined that that a "starphucher" knick fan is one who is pasionate and wants to win now.

Crush, anything that your "Forensic" quoting talents highlighted above really that offensive? Please tell me cuz if I personally offended him in any reasonable manner I would be happy to retract any comment and apologize.

Just to clarify, you didn't respond you created a new thread. In my opinion the time and place to respond is where the dialogue is taking place, not creating a new thread. As far as if you offended him, your smugness is very offensive and I did quote it.

BlueSeats wrote:

TMS wrote:
thin skinned? this coming from a moderator who tells other people they can go post someplace else if he's ever challenged on anything, & i'm not talkin about this thread i'm talking about other encounters you've had with some other longtime posters like kam & sebstar...

Not sure what happened with Kam and Seb but I hope they'll come back soon too.

kam was cool, hope TMS is back soon. My advice is to leverage the ignore feature martin built. It is SO USEFULY!!

Can we get djsunyc posting here again too?! He had some really good posts.

Silverfuel wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

TMS wrote:
thin skinned? this coming from a moderator who tells other people they can go post someplace else if he's ever challenged on anything, & i'm not talkin about this thread i'm talking about other encounters you've had with some other longtime posters like kam & sebstar...

Not sure what happened with Kam and Seb but I hope they'll come back soon too.

kam was cool, hope TMS is back soon. My advice is to leverage the ignore feature martin built. It is SO USEFULY!!

Can we get djsunyc posting here again too?! He had some really good posts.

Yes to dj!

Thrilled to see BBJ again. Would love to see Kam, Seb, Codeunknown, bitty, oohaah again too. I'm sure I'm forgetting others. There was that dude from "elba"... started with an "R" and ended with a number...Rembee76 or something? He was entertaining.

BlueSeats wrote:Just reading this thread now.

I surely hope TMS returns soon.

WOW. Me too. I was wondering what happened to my boy..TMS is a class act that had A TON to offer on this site..Hands down one of the best minds on this board..Huge loss for all of us. UK has definitely taken a huge hit with him leaving..T, if you see this -- RESPECT. Shoot me an e-mail and let me know where you're talking Knicks & Yanks now..That's a site I'd be happy to join. finestrg@yahoo.com. It definitely won't be the same anymore w/o you bro.

What are some of you, lovers?

Nalod, let me start off by you are one of the wittier more creative posters here.

You have also spent the last few years coining this term in a negative light in the context of this board and when you brand someone with it I can see it getting offensive. Hell, it offends me when you label this move or that move a starphuck when it is a move I agree with.

It seems that going after any big ticket guy while giving up youth is a starphuck now with you. I understood the meaning when you coined it here under Zeke's reign. You have morphed it to generalize any move that is not youth development oriented. And you portray it as a cheap way to win. Even going so far as to talk down to TMS because he is a starphucker and that is his philosophy..etc.

When you work hard to coin a phrase as an insult and then start calling people that phrase, you have no right to act surprised if they go off.

This thread was a bait for TMS to bite on. Let me reiterate that you are one of the better more knowledgeable posters here, but I have seen you bait some guys before just needling for a reaction. Unfortunately for TMS he took the bait. Martin didn't help by getting involved either, even though his intentions were good. He did-at least to me also- come off more on your side of the fence then TMS' and was a bit more standoffish then he implied in his response to TMS on the first page of this thread.

I also don't understand how Martin egging you on at the beginning of this thread could have been seen by him as a way to diffuse this situation.

Martin I have never been a mod, so please take this as an observation from the other side of the fence. In the position of mod, you seem to be in the unenviable position of being the boss while being one of the guys. I get it. I also get everyone has favorites. But when you are trying to diffuse a situation as a mod I can see why TMS would get upset. You didn't come off as neutral.

Also as an aside, certain posters here have earned quite a bit of respect and latitude. I have seen Nalod post some images back when that would have gotten others banned without so much as a stern talking to. Posters like Nalod, Silver, TMS, Bip, Briggs, HARDCORE to name a few have really earned their stripes here. I am not suggesting carte blanc but they have earned respect. The way you told TMS to post elsewhere was disrespectful, insulting, and quite honestly, dissapointing.

Nalod, I can understand the issues some guys are pointing out that they have with your posting style. Personally I find your postings comical-in a good way-even though I can see where people can see you coming off as smug or arrogant. I am not telling you how to post, but be aware that if you purposefully come off that way don't be surprised when sometimes posters go off.

TMS, if you are reading this, take some time off come back when you are ready.

joec32033 wrote:Martin didn't help by getting involved either, even though his intentions were good. He did-at least to me also- come off more on your side of the fence then TMS' and was a bit more standoffish then he implied in his response to TMS on the first page of this thread.

I also don't understand how Martin egging you on at the beginning of this thread could have been seen by him as a way to diffuse this situation.

Martin I have never been a mod, so please take this as an observation from the other side of the fence. In the position of mod, you seem to be in the unenviable position of being the boss while being one of the guys. I get it. I also get everyone has favorites. But when you are trying to diffuse a situation as a mod I can see why TMS would get upset. You didn't come off as neutral.

Joe, this is where it all started and how I responded to TMS:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=38085&page=#828493

Please let me know how I could have handled it better.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Ok, so then what?

YOu start building a team to run. You build it, then trade your players, have 29 games to starphuch with it and then fire the coach and then be limited in what you can do?

Great Idea!

i don't see Lupica suggesting any of this, he's just laying out the idea that completing the Melo trade makes every bit of sense for DW as a GM... he's under pressure to get this deal done... if he gets Melo then he's done his job in the eyes of Dolan... the pressure then goes to MDA to get the pieces to work under his system & win games... why do you think your plan not to starphuch is the only reasonable plan? plenty of teams in NBA history have starphuched their way to a championship... DW's plan is a starphuch plan, if u think it's not u haven't really been paying attention... he would never have traded assets to clear cap space in the first place if his eye wasn't focused on going after superstar players in free agency or trades.

I think you are re-defining starphuck to the one user who actually defined it. My understanding was the a significant part of starphuck was to also handcuff your team for future moves or development, which certainly hasn't happened.

Nalod, could we get a clearer picture on that?

The thread faded and then Nalod created this thread. Do you really think a thread defining starphuch was aimed at malice towards TMS? I didn't take it that way.

How is what I posted standoff-ish? Is the above not neutral?

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Martin didn't help by getting involved either, even though his intentions were good. He did-at least to me also- come off more on your side of the fence then TMS' and was a bit more standoffish then he implied in his response to TMS on the first page of this thread.

I also don't understand how Martin egging you on at the beginning of this thread could have been seen by him as a way to diffuse this situation.

Martin I have never been a mod, so please take this as an observation from the other side of the fence. In the position of mod, you seem to be in the unenviable position of being the boss while being one of the guys. I get it. I also get everyone has favorites. But when you are trying to diffuse a situation as a mod I can see why TMS would get upset. You didn't come off as neutral.

Joe, this is where it all started and how I responded to TMS:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=38085&page=#828493

Please let me know how I could have handled it better.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Ok, so then what?

YOu start building a team to run. You build it, then trade your players, have 29 games to starphuch with it and then fire the coach and then be limited in what you can do?

Great Idea!

i don't see Lupica suggesting any of this, he's just laying out the idea that completing the Melo trade makes every bit of sense for DW as a GM... he's under pressure to get this deal done... if he gets Melo then he's done his job in the eyes of Dolan... the pressure then goes to MDA to get the pieces to work under his system & win games... why do you think your plan not to starphuch is the only reasonable plan? plenty of teams in NBA history have starphuched their way to a championship... DW's plan is a starphuch plan, if u think it's not u haven't really been paying attention... he would never have traded assets to clear cap space in the first place if his eye wasn't focused on going after superstar players in free agency or trades.

I think you are re-defining starphuck to the one user who actually defined it. My understanding was the a significant part of starphuck was to also handcuff your team for future moves or development, which certainly hasn't happened.

Nalod, could we get a clearer picture on that?

The thread faded and then Nalod created this thread. Do you really think a thread defining starphuch was aimed at malice towards TMS? I didn't take it that way.

How is what I posted standoff-ish? Is the above not neutral?

I will admit the term standoffish was a poor choice of words.

But I do think saying TMS is redefining the term implied you were more on Nalod's line of thinking(especially when you had said Nalod defined it) or accusing TMS of not understanding because he had a different "meaning" of the term.

As I said before, to me, the term has taken on a negative meaning the way Nalod has evolved it. I can see that TMS had a different meaning-and a much less negative-idea of the term. Or at least that is how I took it.

That is just my opinion. I think the situation devolved quite a bit with misunderstanding on all 3 sides and it got bitter.

I do still stand by what I said though. I don't want to tell you how to mod-your forum, not mine. I do understand the fine line mods have to walk. Obviously if you feel 100% comfortable in the situation that is all that matters. I am just telling you how I took it over the medium of posting. Sometimes things just get taken the wrong way.

I'll tell you this, anyone that is so sensitive to a forum thread has serious issues to deal with out there, in the real world.

TMS is a pretty tough cat. You don't get to 40K posts without being one. So I don't blame Martin for being surprised he took the whole Starphucker thing so hard. I don't think Martin owes him anything for that.

But a Mod inviting/challenging a poster to leave is highly provocative. Highly.

Martin, why reach out to TMS as a friend and work things out? Maybe he needs a break, maybe not, but he should feel his return is welcome at any time.