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Forget WWJD?

How about WWIIHDIATHS?

What would I imagine D'antoni have done in a totally hypothetical situation?

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Let's all let Mike D'antoni waste another year for Knicks fans, players, management, and ownership. I think we all just need another season of offense being more important than defense.

so every thread you post to is about MDA? I am stopping this.

Martin, Taj Gibson is a very nice talented player, would MDA make use of Gibson or does he go the way of Anthony Randolph and Jordan Hill? My personal opinion is that Gibson rides the bench under MDA chalked up as a player who doesn't fit the system. Young player who has a lot to learn eventually ending up as trade fodder.

I don't recall MDA ever benching a player for not fitting the system. Both Moz and AR were benched because of poor performance at the beginning of the year. That time period followed by a very impressive 13 game win streak, and when you are in a win streak, you don't really change much, especially when there is pressure to make playoffs. Moz worked hard and came back to the rotation.

What is it about some players that you don't think they would fit his system (unless you want to site Marbury or Curry)? If anything, guys like Turiaf and Jefferies would be classic guys who would NOT fit his system - guys who are completely inept on the offensive end - but they played. Jefferies probably played too much.

Young guys who do not practice hard and do not try to play within the system the coach outlines should not and do not make any coaches rotation. I could easily say that about Phil Jackson, Riley, JVG, Pop, Hollins, Brooks. Same with elite college coaches.

You can point to teams like Twolves and Golden State and AR all you want, but they are also in a different position than teams that are both trying to make the playoffs and want to impose some sort of environment that does not involve a sense of entitlement by the player.

Other than the fact that Taj is a big, why wouldn't he play with MDA? The guy is quick, has some sort of jumpshot and hustles. He is exactly what Turiaf is but more offensive minded.

That is where you are correct yet wrong. MDA would give Taj Gibson a chance but he will sour on him because he is a young player instead of grooming him he would throw him to the bench. You say Moz worked himself back into the rotation Martin if it weren't for injuries Moz wouldn't have gotten off the bench it was purely out of necessity that MDA used him and sure enough Moz show offensive prowess.

in every post you make it about what you think MDA would do, not what he did do. How do you know that Taj would not have been played exactly like Chandler, Gallo, Fields? Young guys who played at every chance they got, through good play and bad? What separate Taj from Fields?

For a long time before Moz came back MDA stressed through media that he thought his Center was nearly ready. Great, so when is the magical time you make the switch? Randomly? Losing streak? Injury?

MDA has a history of using vets - especially ones that have solidified their playing time - long past their due to give them a chance to play. Duhon, JJ, Turiaf, Mason, Larry Hughes. I think the key is playing/practicing hard and he will give you a chance; be ready at any time. Agree with it or disagree, I think vets appreciate it and it should make young guys even hungrier to get playing time (opposite of what AR was doing).

You agreed with Crush on a previous example when he showed how Aaron Gray got playing time in the Lakers-NO series... except you didn't point out to him that Gray only got minutes cause West went down, only played 24 games during season first season, 45+ during next, etc, etc.

Knicks were in an unenviable position this season. Lots of young players, need to make playoffs. They played like crap coming out the gate. Got back in line. It's a balance of winning vs developing youthier players.

I wonder how much film is being salvaged and dissected at MSG from this Heat/Bulls series? I wonder what Knick coach or player is attending as a student at the 2011 ECF. I sure hope Melo isn't spending his time trying to shoot pilots of reality show with wifey for a potential second or third season and missing out on this display. I hope Amar'e isn't debating with Lee if he should allow Wiz and Amber Rose attend a party he's throwing at the Pad and missing out on this intense struggle.

Juice wrote:I wonder how much film is being salvaged and dissected at MSG from this Heat/Bulls series? I wonder what Knick coach or player is attending as a student at the 2011 ECF. I sure hope Melo isn't spending his time trying to shoot pilots of reality show with wifey for a potential second or third season and missing out on this display. I hope Amar'e isn't debating with Lee if he should allow Wiz and Amber Rose attend a party he's throwing at the Pad and missing out on this intense struggle.

I'm quite sure that Melo and STAT are out enjoying all their money and free time. I also think that they are watching the Heat/Bulls. A lot of NBA guys are actually fans of the game and do watch big games like this. What they get from it is another thing. I think STAT and Melo will be motivated by seeing guys play who they think they are just as good as. Most top players believe they are on equal terms with the other top players. I would guess that they feel they can eventually compete with some roster improvements and a full season together.

Both the Heat and Bulls are playing D at an unbelievable level right now. What I will point out is that the Knicks competed very well against both of these teams. We may not equal either team in terms of defense, but we're better than either team offensively and we'll likely get a bit better from here.

nixluva wrote:

Juice wrote:I wonder how much film is being salvaged and dissected at MSG from this Heat/Bulls series? I wonder what Knick coach or player is attending as a student at the 2011 ECF. I sure hope Melo isn't spending his time trying to shoot pilots of reality show with wifey for a potential second or third season and missing out on this display. I hope Amar'e isn't debating with Lee if he should allow Wiz and Amber Rose attend a party he's throwing at the Pad and missing out on this intense struggle.

I'm quite sure that Melo and STAT are out enjoying all their money and free time. I also think that they are watching the Heat/Bulls. A lot of NBA guys are actually fans of the game and do watch big games like this. What they get from it is another thing. I think STAT and Melo will be motivated by seeing guys play who they think they are just as good as. Most top players believe they are on equal terms with the other top players. I would guess that they feel they can eventually compete with some roster improvements and a full season together.

Both the Heat and Bulls are playing D at an unbelievable level right now. What I will point out is that the Knicks competed very well against both of these teams. We may not equal either team in terms of defense, but we're better than either team offensively and we'll likely get a bit better from here.

As they(Bulls/Heat) can get better offensively right? It's not like they are slouches in this area but at times struggle to find proper balance. It's not about feeling confidence competing against your peers but more so knowing your peers and their tendencies in every manner possible. But thanks confirming that they could be shooting Music Videos with Swizz Beats while trying to fit these ECF and WCF into their lavish schedules

nixluva wrote:

Juice wrote:I wonder how much film is being salvaged and dissected at MSG from this Heat/Bulls series? I wonder what Knick coach or player is attending as a student at the 2011 ECF. I sure hope Melo isn't spending his time trying to shoot pilots of reality show with wifey for a potential second or third season and missing out on this display. I hope Amar'e isn't debating with Lee if he should allow Wiz and Amber Rose attend a party he's throwing at the Pad and missing out on this intense struggle.

I'm quite sure that Melo and STAT are out enjoying all their money and free time. I also think that they are watching the Heat/Bulls.

I bet they're busy reading blogs and UK posts. Just like every top tier player in the greater NYC metro area.

My Word Dirk already in NBA Jam mode

Juice wrote:My Word Dirk already in NBA Jam mode

And OKC playing like preschoolers(comparing to how they normally play), but still only down by 11

Refs GIVING Mavs this game.

ramtour420 wrote:

Juice wrote:My Word Dirk already in NBA Jam mode

And OKC playing like preschoolers(comparing to how they normally play), but still only down by 11

OKC looks like they usually do. They are getting outplayed at the power forward position and OKC has shot quite a few free throws. WestBrook is 2-14 not good. Durant has shot 17ft and WestBrook 12 come again?

Dirk just dropped practically 50pts in the playoffs without scoring from a 3pt shot or even attempting a 3pt shot..... yet fans 2yrs ago were referring to Gallo as Dirk....rotflol

Juice wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Juice wrote:My Word Dirk already in NBA Jam mode

And OKC playing like preschoolers(comparing to how they normally play), but still only down by 11

OKC looks like they usually do. They are getting outplayed at the power forward position and OKC has shot quite a few free throws. WestBrook is 2-14 not good. Durant has shot 17ft and WestBrook 12 come again?

They've turned it up in the 4th , but still, that didn't look like a good game by OKC.

Unreal performance by Dirk. Props to OKC for staying in the game. Nice to know that the Knicks have someone like Melo who is capable of doing the same thing...in time.

GustavBahler wrote:Unreal performance by Dirk. Props to OKC for staying in the game. Nice to know that the Knicks have someone like Melo who is capable of doing the same thing...in time.

We don't have a good enough defensive scheme or defensive personnel to rely on 1 player scoring his way to victory. Most of the time a team will double a player like this. Keep in mind it has taken Dirk 12yrs to get to this point and I doubt Melo will have near the durability Dirk has. Melo and Amar'e have a bout a 3yr window to get into a winning pattern and that's without a whole lotta roster turnover while the East welcomes new blood and new stars

Juice wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Unreal performance by Dirk. Props to OKC for staying in the game. Nice to know that the Knicks have someone like Melo who is capable of doing the same thing...in time.

We don't have a good enough defensive scheme or defensive personnel to rely on 1 player scoring his way to victory. Most of the time a team will double a player like this. Keep in mind it has taken Dirk 12yrs to get to this point and I doubt Melo will have near the durability Dirk has. Melo and Amar'e have a bout a 3yr window to get into a winning pattern and that's without a whole lotta roster turnover while the East welcomes new blood and new stars

I'm not talking about the supporting cast or the overall strategy, only saying that Melo has the talent to put up numbers like that in a playoff game. Even throw in a few blocks as well which he's shown he can do when he applies himself. I don't believe he needs the same amount of time as Dirk to have a breakout game like that. I do agree its just part of the equation.

This team was gutted to get Melo which I was for (eventually). Time for Donnie to surround Melo and Stat with more talent. Walsh upgraded the talent on this squad in short order, I believe he can do it again.

GustavBahler wrote:

Juice wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Unreal performance by Dirk. Props to OKC for staying in the game. Nice to know that the Knicks have someone like Melo who is capable of doing the same thing...in time.

We don't have a good enough defensive scheme or defensive personnel to rely on 1 player scoring his way to victory. Most of the time a team will double a player like this. Keep in mind it has taken Dirk 12yrs to get to this point and I doubt Melo will have near the durability Dirk has. Melo and Amar'e have a bout a 3yr window to get into a winning pattern and that's without a whole lotta roster turnover while the East welcomes new blood and new stars

I'm not talking about the supporting cast or the overall strategy, only saying that Melo has the talent to put up numbers like that in a playoff game. Even throw in a few blocks as well which he's shown he can do when he applies himself. I don't believe he needs the same amount of time as Dirk to have a breakout game like that. I do agree its just part of the equation.

This team was gutted to get Melo which I was for (eventually). Time for Donnie to surround Melo and Stat with more talent. Walsh upgraded the talent on this squad in short order, I believe he can do it again.

Without cap space and assets it will be extremely difficult to do. We have to hope the CBA gets resolved in our favor and wait 1 more yr. We had more resources to work with before the 2010 deadline trade. We'll see how this will turn out.

dirk 'n durant were awesome last night. 2 superstar performances.

okc lives and dies by westbrook. he was terrible last night.

barrea got what, 20? pesty little guy with his throwback game.

Marv wrote:dirk 'n durant were awesome last night. 2 superstar performances.

okc lives and dies by westbrook. he was terrible last night.

barrea got what, 20? pesty little guy with his throwback game.

48 points on 12-15 shooting Ridiculous!!

dirk hit from everywhere in the gym last night. didnt matter who was guarding him. scary thing is, if westbrook played well, the thunder could have taken the game. only lost by 9 i think when all said and done.

Just read on the ESPN ticker that Lebron is claiming that he's had a cold for the last few days and can't sleep but will play anyway. Already with the excuses.

it's dwade's night. right down chicago's teeth baby.