Knicks · OT: Zach Randolph Receives 4yrs/$71mil Extension (page 1)

Juice @ 4/18/2011 10:41 AM
Comes right after their first playoff win. We can all but assure Marc Gasol gets a new deal from them. $66mil fully guaranteed with $1.3mil in bonuses each year goals are met on incentives. Player Option year 4....... But But But I thought the Grizz didn't have any money?
orangeblobman @ 4/18/2011 10:42 AM
randolph is bum, they lose 4-1 that series
MS @ 4/18/2011 11:05 AM
Who was had the better season Amare or Zach?
Juice @ 4/18/2011 11:33 AM
MS wrote:Who was had the better season Amare or Zach?

Amar'e statistically but Zach proved to have as great of impact if not more than Amar'e on his team. Zach's game has evolved some in that it is more team oriented but it took a structure and overall team disciplining to get him there. Some players need complete structure and not what you would call organized chaos.

Sangfroid @ 4/18/2011 11:38 AM
Juice wrote:
MS wrote:Who was had the better season Amare or Zach?

Amar'e statistically but Zach proved to have as great of impact if not more than Amar'e on his team. Zach's game has evolved some in that it is more team oriented but it took a structure and overall team disciplining to get him there. Some player need complete structure and not what you would call organized chaos.

Both players are a result of the coach's philosophy. Zach was always a good player, just a knuckle head in his off time. If we had Z-bo now, he would still be the monster on the boards that he's always been. A'mare is picking up his game for the playoffs and showing the rebounding. For Zack, it's just another day.

islesfan @ 4/18/2011 11:51 AM
Randolph is awesome. The Knicks should get him.
AnubisADL @ 4/18/2011 11:54 AM
Randolph has proven he wasnt the problem in NY. Curry was the problem.

Randolph and Gasol regularly grab 20+ rebounds between them.

Smart move for Memphis sinc they have a hard time scoring. Randolph would be a beast next to Dwight Howard.

Juice @ 4/18/2011 12:08 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Randolph has proven he wasnt the problem in NY. Curry was the problem.

Randolph and Gasol regularly grab 20+ rebounds between them.

Smart move for Memphis sinc they have a hard time scoring. Randolph would be a beast next to Dwight Howard.

The way he was talking he was eying New Jersey...but as usual(unless collusion takes place) players always want their money

BigSm00th @ 4/18/2011 12:09 PM
beware the contract year!!
orangeblobman @ 4/18/2011 12:17 PM
BigSm00th wrote:beware the contract year!!

word.

Juice @ 4/18/2011 12:20 PM
BigSm00th wrote:beware the contract year!!

I don't think this was the case with Zach. Zach is just being Zach. Good for him, he went from gang bangin hoop family black hole to smokey da grizzly bear playoff ranger hero

nyshakespeare @ 4/18/2011 12:24 PM
Damn, they really let that first playoff win go to their head.
Juice @ 4/18/2011 12:32 PM
nyshakespeare wrote:Damn, they really let that first playoff win go to their head.

They were in talks and progressing several weeks before the season ended. I think it's more of a motivation ride the high/momentum into the rest of the series for him and them. They do have a melting pot/diversified good professional team that plays hard

He's a Top 5 power forward in the league and should be compensated as one.

Childs2Dudley @ 4/18/2011 1:00 PM
Nice. He found a way to be overpaid again.
AnubisADL @ 4/18/2011 1:02 PM
BigSm00th wrote:beware the contract year!!

Randolph puts up the same stats EVERY year. Randolphs problem is his defense.

The guy doesnt rely on his athleticism to make plays.

Panos @ 4/18/2011 1:26 PM
islesfan wrote:Randolph is awesome. The Knicks should get him.

Yeah, and Steve Francis. Then we could be formidable.

orangeblobman @ 4/18/2011 1:43 PM
Panos wrote:
islesfan wrote:Randolph is awesome. The Knicks should get him.

Yeah, and Steve Francis. Then we could be formidable.

i'm dubious about this.

Killa4luv @ 4/18/2011 4:49 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:beware the contract year!!

Randolph puts up the same stats EVERY year. Randolphs problem is his defense.

The guy doesnt rely on his athleticism to make plays.

Randolph is a really good player. He needs the right situation around him. He's elite at his position. Scoring in the post is like a lost art.

Bonn1997 @ 4/18/2011 5:42 PM
Juice wrote:
MS wrote:Who was had the better season Amare or Zach?

Amar'e statistically but Zach proved to have as great of impact if not more than Amar'e on his team. Zach's game has evolved some in that it is more team oriented but it took a structure and overall team disciplining to get him there. Some players need complete structure and not what you would call organized chaos.

Amare played very well but I'm not sure he had a better season statistically. Zach had an exceptional season and deserved this extension.

Juice @ 4/18/2011 5:55 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Juice wrote:
MS wrote:Who was had the better season Amare or Zach?

Amar'e statistically but Zach proved to have as great of impact if not more than Amar'e on his team. Zach's game has evolved some in that it is more team oriented but it took a structure and overall team disciplining to get him there. Some players need complete structure and not what you would call organized chaos.

Amare played very well but I'm not sure he had a better season statistically. Zach had an exceptional season and deserved this extension.

Numbers are Numbers

Amare has a slight edge if you look them up. Zach was 20/12 Amar'e was 25/8. Both 50%fg Amar'e better in blks/ast/fta/ft%/3pt%/PER but like I said Zach's impact was huge. He was carrying his team down the stretch while Amar'e was fading. No biggie Zach got himself together getting back to being a winning type player good for him.

Bonn1997 @ 4/18/2011 6:32 PM
Juice wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Juice wrote:
MS wrote:Who was had the better season Amare or Zach?

Amar'e statistically but Zach proved to have as great of impact if not more than Amar'e on his team. Zach's game has evolved some in that it is more team oriented but it took a structure and overall team disciplining to get him there. Some players need complete structure and not what you would call organized chaos.

Amare played very well but I'm not sure he had a better season statistically. Zach had an exceptional season and deserved this extension.

Numbers are Numbers

Amare has a slight edge if you look them up. Zach was 20/12 Amar'e was 25/8. Both 50%fg Amar'e better in blks/ast/fta/ft%/3pt%/PER but like I said Zach's impact was huge. He was carrying his team down the stretch while Amar'e was fading. No biggie Zach got himself together getting back to being a winning type player good for him.


It depends on how you analyze the numbers. If you go by their win shares, which I think is the best evaluation system, Zach was well ahead of Amare this year. (Amare's 2nd half of the season hurt his numbers a lot.) Career-wise, Amare has been well ahead of Zach though.
This article on win shares is very helpful. http://dberri.wordpress.com/2006/11/17/a-comment-on-the-player-efficiency-rating/
I'm convinced PER doesn't do anything other than statistically summarize people's lay understanding of the game (which is that PPG is the most important stat and efficiency is of little importance).
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