Knicks · NBA Draft Combine Results (page 1)

BigSm00th @ 5/26/2011 1:44 PM
from ESPN:

Kansas' Josh Selby and Georgia Tech's Iman Shumpert recorded the biggest maximum vertical with a whopping 42 inches. Georgia's Travis Leslie (40½ inches) and Washington's Isiah Thomas (40) also reached or topped 40 inches. A number of other players leaped 38 or more inches in the maximum vertical jump: Kemba Walker (39½), Jimmy Butler and Shelvin Mack (39), Marshon Brooks and Norris Cole (38½) and JaJuan Johnson (38). Nikola Vucevic (25 inches) had the worst max vert in the combine.

Arizona's Derrick Williams and Richmond's Justin Harper tested as the strongest athletes in the camp. Both players bench pressed a 185-pound bar 19 times. Shumpert and Shelvin Mack were next with 18 reps. Four players -- Jereme Richmond, Tyler Honeycutt, E'Twaun Moore and Demetri McCamey -- couldn't lift the bar even one time.

In the lane agility testing, Cleveland State's Cole has the best time finishing the drill in a blazing 10.07 seconds. Andrew Goudelock, Jimmer Fredette, Scotty Hopson and Isaiah Thomas all finished in less than 10.5 seconds. Maryland's Jordan Williams finished dead last at 12.74 seconds.

In the new modified lane agility testing, Cole again had the best score finishing the drill in 5.05 seconds. Goudelock, Fredette, Brandon Knight and Cory Joseph all finished in less than 5.3 seconds. Jordan Williams again finished dead last at 6.51 second time.

In the three-quarter court sprints, Richmond led the way with a blinding 3.02-second run. Honeycutt and Knight tied for second at 3.07 seconds. VCU's Jamie Skeen was last at 3.46 seconds.

Name Standing Vert Max Vert Bench Press (225 lb. reps) Lane Agility Modified Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint
Benson, Keith 31.5 36 12 11.88 5.77 3.35
Brooks, Marshon 34 38.5 5 10.74 5.37 3.09
Burks, Alec 29 36 5 10.96 5.45 3.17
Butler, Jimmy 32 39 14 11.12 5.42 3.15
Cole, Norris 29.5 38.5 11 10.07 5.05 3.22
Diebler, Jon 28 35 2 10.94 5.7 3.37
Dunigan, Michael 29.5 34.5 10 11.85 5.85 3.27
Dunn, LaceDarius 26.5 31 3 11.45 6.03 3.27
Faried, Kenneth 30.5 35 16 11.35 5.64 3.26
Fredette, Jimmer 28 33 14 10.42 5.11 3.21
Goudelock, Andrew 32.5 37 4 10.33 5.13 3.1
Hamilton, Jordan 25 32 7 11.47 5.65 3.3
Harper, Justin 28.5 33 19 11.92 6 3.3
Harris, Tobias 31.5 37.5 12 10.96 5.47 3.17
Honeycutt, Tyler 30 37 N/A 11.68 5.49 3.07
Hopson, Scotty 32.5 36 10 10.47 5.34 3.18
Irving, Kyrie N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A N/A
Jackson, Rick 28.5 33 9 11.51 5.68 3.26
Jenkins, Charles 29.5 34 16 11.68 5.84 3.18
Johnson, JaJuan 33.5 38 15 11.21 5.69 3.14
Joseph, Cory 27.5 35 5 10.75 5.27 3.27
Kanter, Enes 26 32.5 14 11.3 5.66 3.26
Knight, Brandon 29 37.5 10 10.74 5.27 3.07
Lee, Malcolm 30 35.5 17 11.2 5.73 3.09
Leonard, Kawhi 25.5 32 3 11.45 5.71 3.15
Leslie, Travis 33 40.5 10 11 5.53 3.13
Leuer, Jon 29.5 36.5 14 10.82 5.34 3.36
Liggins, DeAndre 27 31 6 N/A N/A 3.33
Lighty, David 28.5 33 15 10.81 5.35 3.25
Mack, Shelvin 32 39 17 11.23 5.45 3.18
McCamey, Demetri 27 33 N/A 11.55 5.88 3.19
Moore, E'Twaun 32 34.5 N/A 11.12 5.63 3.31
Morris, Darius 24.5 32 12 11 5.52 3.2
Morris, Marcus 29 33 11 N/A N/A 3.15
Morris, Markieff 27 31.5 11 N/A N/A 3.4
Parsons, Chandler 25.5 31.5 4 11.05 5.55 3.29
Richmond, Jereme 27 33.5 0 11.74 5.99 3.02
Selby, Josh 29.5 42 5 11.13 5.66 3.2
Shumpert, Iman 36.5 42 18 11.1 5.53 3.18
Singler, Kyle 23 30 10 11.22 5.65 3.21
Singleton, Chris 30.5 37.5 15 11.33 5.59 3.09
Skeen, Jamie 26 30.5 10 12.43 6.1 3.46
Smith, Greg 29.5 36 17 12.43 6.35 3.36
Smith, Nolan 28.5 34 9 11.05 5.43 3.17
Thomas, Isaiah 31.5 40 13 10.49 5.42 3.14
Thomas, Malcolm 32 36.5 3 11.31 5.68 3.29
Thompkins, Trey 27.5 30.5 15 11.72 5.89 3.41
Thompson, Klay 26.5 31.5 5 10.99 5.55 3.24
Thompson, Tristan 30 35 9 10.92 5.4 3.26
Tyler, Jeremy 28 33.5 10 11.26 5.59 3.29
Vucevic, Nikola 23.5 25 8 12.02 6.11 3.27
Walker, Kemba 32 39.5 7 10.87 5.46 3.16
Williams, Derrick 29 34.5 19 11.03 5.49 3.23
Williams, Jordan 25 30.5 10 12.74 6.51 3.45
Analysis
The top ranked player in the draft, Duke's Kyrie Irving, did not participate in drills. But virtually every other top candidate in the draft did.

Arizona's Williams tested well but not off the charts. He tested with a max 34½-inch vertical, topped the draft with 19 reps on the bench press. His 3.45 second sprint wasn't very impressive. His 11.03 second agility drill was solid.

Turkey's Enes Kanter was solid in these tests, with 14 reps on the bench press but only a 32½- inch vertical. His numbers were considerably better than DeMarcus Cousins' and Greg Monroe's last year.

BYU's Fredette came out of the testing vindicated. He predicted he would show well here, and he did. His lateral quickness numbers were second only to Cole's. His 3.2 second sprint was solid. He was one of the strongest guards in the draft with 13 reps on the bench. His vertical numbers aren't great (33 inches) but overall it looks like he has the quickness and strength to play the position.

Florida State's Chris Singleton looked great with a 37½-inch vertical and a very fast 3.1-second three-quarter court sprint. Ditto for Tennesse's Tobias Harris, who looks like a much better athlete than he's given credit for with a 37½-inch vert, a 10.96-second lane agility time and 3.17-second three-quarter court sprint.

Providence's Brooks is one of the best athletes in the draft as well. His 38½-inch vertical, his 10.74 agility time and his 3.09-second three-quarter court sprint were all impressive.

JaJuan Johnson is also helped himself. His great vertical (38 inches), solid strength testing (15 reps on bench press) and his shooting numbers are all very impressive. Factor in his excellent measurements and a very solid four-year career at Purdue and I'm not sure why teams aren't higher on him.

In a bit of a surprise, Kawhi Leonard measured only a 32-inch vertical and could bench the 185-pound bar only three times.

Vucevic and Maryland's Williams both struggled in the athletic drills. VCU's Skeen, Georgia's Trey Thompkins and KU's Markieff Morris also struggled.

BigSm00th @ 5/26/2011 1:45 PM
i'll pass on jordan williams.

jajuan johnson became a lot more intriguing.

also like this guy goudelock from college of charlestown. is apparently a dead-eye shooter and there were questions about his athleticism but it looks like he can hang.

knicks have gotta get an extra pick -- while this draft isn't top heavy, i think there are definitely plenty of rotation players available from mid first and on.

GustavBahler @ 5/26/2011 1:53 PM
Thanks BigSm00th.


The more I see and read about him, I believe that Norris Cole would be a great second round pick if he lasts that long. The guy dropped 40 and 20 in a game not too long ago. In the combine last week he moved up the ball a few feet and gave this two handed pass that just moved. The entire motion from inbounds to the pass was in the blink of an eye. He is also effective at the P&R and plays D.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Norr...

metra @ 5/26/2011 6:26 PM
Singleton and Selby did really well. Faried didn't do so but himself but Singleton got better numbers and they seem similar in size.
knickstorrents @ 5/26/2011 11:46 PM
Here's a link that doesn't require espn insider with the measurements formatted:

http://www.nbadraft.net/nba-draft-combin...

knickstorrents @ 5/27/2011 12:08 AM
What do people think about Greg Smith?

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/greg-smi...

Supposedly his hands are 1 foot wide!

Some more info:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Greg...

I like his wingspan - 7'3, his low body fat, and his interview wasn't bad.

Here's an interesting snippet on him:

We made a note in our recent west coast workout report about just how big Greg Smith's hands are. Upon further review at the combine, his hands are one-foot wide, easily the top mark we've seen since the combine began measuring hands. This quantifies the way Smith (6-8 without shoes, 7-2 ½ wingspan, 252 pounds) can routinely snatch the ball out of mid-air and palm it away from his body.

Projected to go 2nd round according to NBA Draft.net

Sorry if he's been talked about before... I can't seem to find a search function on this site.

Juice @ 5/27/2011 12:18 AM
Did Keith Benson(I want him) who weighs 215lbs bench 225lbs 12reps?

Derrick Williams is a Beast....he got 2 plates up 19reps....YIKES

Faried and Singleton impressed with their strength too along with Fridette and Mack(I want him)

Olbrannon @ 5/27/2011 12:46 AM
Singleton also tied Marshon Brooks and Malcolm Lee for 4th in the sprint time at 3.09 Tyler Honeycutt with a 3.07 that's moving for those 6'8 guys.
BigDaddyG @ 5/27/2011 7:06 AM
Just a heads up. Draft express has a historical database of draft combine results just in case you want to compare how Darius Morris stacked up against Jarret Jack or similar sized point guards. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draf...
JesseDark @ 5/27/2011 7:34 AM
Just wondering do these numbers hurt bigs like Vucevic? Seems like Jeremy Tyler had better overall stats.
metra @ 5/27/2011 9:09 AM
Juice wrote:Did Keith Benson(I want him) who weighs 215lbs bench 225lbs 12reps?

Derrick Williams is a Beast....he got 2 plates up 19reps....YIKES

Faried and Singleton impressed with their strength too along with Fridette and Mack(I want him)

Where does it say that they're benching 225? I think it's 185. Also, while the bench press is something regular people who work out can identify most with, it's probably the least relevant gauge of NBA potential.

NYKBocker @ 5/27/2011 10:37 AM
knickstorrents wrote:What do people think about Greg Smith?

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/greg-smi...

Supposedly his hands are 1 foot wide!

Some more info:
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Greg...

I like his wingspan - 7'3, his low body fat, and his interview wasn't bad.

Here's an interesting snippet on him:

We made a note in our recent west coast workout report about just how big Greg Smith's hands are. Upon further review at the combine, his hands are one-foot wide, easily the top mark we've seen since the combine began measuring hands. This quantifies the way Smith (6-8 without shoes, 7-2 ½ wingspan, 252 pounds) can routinely snatch the ball out of mid-air and palm it away from his body.

Projected to go 2nd round according to NBA Draft.net

Sorry if he's been talked about before... I can't seem to find a search function on this site.

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.as...

Juice @ 5/27/2011 12:20 PM
metra wrote:
Juice wrote:Did Keith Benson(I want him) who weighs 215lbs bench 225lbs 12reps?

Derrick Williams is a Beast....he got 2 plates up 19reps....YIKES

Faried and Singleton impressed with their strength too along with Fridette and Mack(I want him)

Where does it say that they're benching 225? I think it's 185. Also, while the bench press is something regular people who work out can identify most with, it's probably the least relevant gauge of NBA potential.

True as Durant couldn't get the bar up 1 I don't think but it is an indication of players strength ability at positions they may have an advantage at on the floor depending on who's guarding them. I can make the same argument when it comes to height(see J.J. Berrea)

I says 225lbs in parenthesis in the original post although you could be correct that the bench base weight is 185lbs. Still the weight/reps apply across all camp participants

Juice @ 5/27/2011 12:20 PM
Here's more in depth coverage of camp results

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Anal...

BigDaddyG @ 5/28/2011 12:41 AM
I'm looking at Iman Shumpert's combine numbers and I have to admit, they're impressive. Has anyone seen him play. Is he a real point guard or is he a Javaris Crittenton clone?
Olbrannon @ 5/28/2011 1:17 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm looking at Iman Shumpert's combine numbers and I have to admit, they're impressive. Has anyone seen him play. Is he a real point guard or is he a Javaris Crittenton clone?

Good player. high basketball iq. A sleeper and underrated by all the mocks.

martin @ 5/28/2011 10:50 AM
Olbrannon wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm looking at Iman Shumpert's combine numbers and I have to admit, they're impressive. Has anyone seen him play. Is he a real point guard or is he a Javaris Crittenton clone?

Good player. high basketball iq. A sleeper and underrated by all the mocks.

I want to say that I read a Draft Express article mentioning how this guy's stock is on the rise because of the athleticism, check out the link Juice just put out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Iman...

Would be a great pick if the Knicks had multiple high 2nd rounders.

metra @ 5/28/2011 11:39 AM
martin wrote:
Olbrannon wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm looking at Iman Shumpert's combine numbers and I have to admit, they're impressive. Has anyone seen him play. Is he a real point guard or is he a Javaris Crittenton clone?

Good player. high basketball iq. A sleeper and underrated by all the mocks.

I want to say that I read a Draft Express article mentioning how this guy's stock is on the rise because of the athleticism, check out the link Juice just put out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Iman...

Would be a great pick if the Knicks had multiple high 2nd rounders.

And look at that, his agent is Happy Walters.

Killa4luv @ 5/28/2011 11:49 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm looking at Iman Shumpert's combine numbers and I have to admit, they're impressive. Has anyone seen him play. Is he a real point guard or is he a Javaris Crittenton clone?

I've been talking about him for at least 2 months. He's one of my picks at PG. He's solid at pg, solid vision, iq. His PG skills need some work. Decent shooter, needs to develop it more. But he's big strong fast and plays serious defense. Slashes, he's strong can finish with contact. He's not a pure PG, but he could be mentored by chauncey, play alongside him at the 2, and guard the opposing teams point guard.

Caseloads @ 5/28/2011 11:53 AM
Juice wrote:Did Keith Benson(I want him) who weighs 215lbs bench 225lbs 12reps?

Derrick Williams is a Beast....he got 2 plates up 19reps....YIKES

Faried and Singleton impressed with their strength too along with Fridette and Mack(I want him)


the bench press does not mean much. guys who are lanky do terribly (Ex Durant)

Stocky guys do well (nate robinson)

Caseloads @ 5/28/2011 11:54 AM
metra wrote:
Juice wrote:Did Keith Benson(I want him) who weighs 215lbs bench 225lbs 12reps?

Derrick Williams is a Beast....he got 2 plates up 19reps....YIKES

Faried and Singleton impressed with their strength too along with Fridette and Mack(I want him)

Where does it say that they're benching 225? I think it's 185. Also, while the bench press is something regular people who work out can identify most with, it's probably the least relevant gauge of NBA potential.


big hands in basketball is a liability - you are unable to hold the ball properly to get off a good shot. (shaq, etc)
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