Juice wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Juice wrote:THANK GOODNESS
BEST NEWS EVER IF TRUE
I knew something was up because negotiations were taking too long to finalize.
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You need to get superkicked in the face.
No I don't I realize there are other qualified and well respected execs out there to replace the very average one leaving. Don's a good dude and I hope he does well wherever he goes but sorry he wasn't as good as advertised. And quite frankly not sure how much decision making was completely his while here. Yes he brought a ton of respect here but he's not the only exec in the NBA who brings this quality to a franchise.
Sorry, your basketball opinion is not respected. Actually, you yourself are not respected. Stick to making nicknames like Walshed Up. You sucked at those but it was all you were good for.
To celebrate the firing of a man who helped change this team from awful, pathetic joke to respectable franchise is a slap in the face to real Knick fans. Maybe it's the fact that you were a Bulls fan not too long ago but we Knick fans love and respect Donnie Walsh for what he did here. No GM's record is spotless but his positives far outweighed the negatives.
you will learn to appreciate the man when we're back to having Isiah and/or his cronies run the show. These guys will never be more than puppet General Managers under this owner. If you're happy with that than there is nothing else I can say.
The only good thing about Walsh leaving is MDA may soon follow. I would love a Pritchard, but he lease Portland in a power struggle. I doubt he wants to come here and deal with Dolan.
Accroding to CB on ESPN the decision was Walsh's not to return. There was a 2 year extension on the table and Walsh decided he didn't have the energy to put another two years in. The dude is 70 years old and we're better today then when he got here. Regardless of what many here think, Dolan wants to win.
CashMoney wrote:Accroding to CB on ESPN the decision was Walsh's not to return. There was a 2 year extension on the table and Walsh decided he didn't have the energy to put another two years in. The dude is 70 years old and we're better today then when he got here. Regardless of what many here think, Dolan wants to win.
Hahahahahahahha...oh wait you're serious?.......Hahahahahahaha
I'm willing to sacrifice Donnie Walsh in order to get rid of Mike Dantoni.
superkicked in the face. now that's a line i need to remember.
Childs2Dudley wrote:Juice wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Juice wrote:THANK GOODNESS
BEST NEWS EVER IF TRUE
I knew something was up because negotiations were taking too long to finalize.
HOO-RAY
HOO-RAY
HOO-RAY
HOO-RAY
You need to get superkicked in the face.
No I don't I realize there are other qualified and well respected execs out there to replace the very average one leaving. Don's a good dude and I hope he does well wherever he goes but sorry he wasn't as good as advertised. And quite frankly not sure how much decision making was completely his while here. Yes he brought a ton of respect here but he's not the only exec in the NBA who brings this quality to a franchise.
Sorry, your basketball opinion is not respected. Actually, you yourself are not respected. Stick to making nicknames like Walshed Up. You sucked at those but it was all you were good for.
To celebrate the firing of a man who helped change this team from awful, pathetic joke to respectable franchise is a slap in the face to real Knick fans. Maybe it's the fact that you were a Bulls fan not too long ago but we Knick fans love and respect Donnie Walsh for what he did here. No GM's record is spotless but his positives far outweighed the negatives.
you will learn to appreciate the man when we're back to having Isiah and/or his cronies run the show. These guys will never be more than puppet General Managers under this owner. If you're happy with that than there is nothing else I can say.
Do you know this for a fact this will happen so be quiet until the dust settles. There are capable professionals out there once again FACT not OPINION. He wasn't going to stick around forever and therefore we were looking at replacing him sooner than later anyway FACT not OPINION. He wanted to hire Mullin a GM some Knick fans didn't respect FACT not OPINION.
Do I know this for a fact? I guess you weren't too big a fan the last decade because both Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas were puppet GM's. Our last real executive before Walsh was Dave Checketts. Coincidentally Checketts left because of Dolan. This was when Dolan started to get involved in basketball matters. It was all downhill from there.
Walsh was trying to create some succession planning so the organization would have some continuity, kind of like what the Lakers and the Spurs have had. Get guys that have similar philosophies. Train the young guys. Then when someone leaves you can replace with someone else that has a similar line of thinking. It's the opposite of what we have been doing in NY where we fire a guy every other year and replace him with someone else with a completely different philosophy and then have to start all over again. This is why it's been 40 years since we've won anything. We need to get good people and keep them here. This constant turmoil doesn't work.
"The Knicks will look at general manager candidates but probably won't hire one until after the draft. It could end up being someone from within, either Allan Houston or Mark Warkentien. But it won't be Donnie Walsh. It'll be someone who doesn't have the standing or reputation that Walsh did, to stand up to Dolan. Which means Dolan will be in charge. Dolan drove a car into a ditch, Walsh towed it out, and now Dolan not only wants to drive again, he thinks he's the one who towed it in the first place. Whether Walsh was telling the truth or not, Jim Dolan now has unfettered, unquestioned control of everything that happens with the New York Knicks. Be afraid, everyone. Be very afraid."
- New York Magazine
I've been out of town and away from the internet all week. And I come back to THIS??!?
Man, this sucks. Duck Folan.
eViL wrote:this is a borderline "stop following the team" moment for me. i dropped the Mets a few years ago due to their silly ownership. it's looking like the knicks will be next. i'm not a kid anymore. i can't hold some forced loyalty to the colors and the logo when i know that it's really just some billionaire's drunk son's plaything. i'm not making any decisions yet, but this really hurts. i don't think i can take much more of the dolan era.
A legitimate reaction from any reasonable fan, IMO, and something I would consider if things turn too bizarre.
Paladin55 wrote:eViL wrote:this is a borderline "stop following the team" moment for me. i dropped the Mets a few years ago due to their silly ownership. it's looking like the knicks will be next. i'm not a kid anymore. i can't hold some forced loyalty to the colors and the logo when i know that it's really just some billionaire's drunk son's plaything. i'm not making any decisions yet, but this really hurts. i don't think i can take much more of the dolan era.
A legitimate reaction from any reasonable fan, IMO, and something I would consider if things turn too bizarre.
As a native tri-state area, I will still follow the Knicks through hard times/good times. But as a basketball fan and being out in the west coast now, I have adopted the Nuggets and Warriors (strongerer follower since the trade). But I can't wait when the Knicks start being contenders again.
Vmart wrote:martin wrote:well, here is what Donnie is saying on conf call:- Dolan wanted multi-year, Donnie not willing to do that cause he knew he would put in 100% but couldn't over multi years.
- Donnie: other assurances weren't prob.
- Donnie: no prob working with Dolan
Now you can stop you rampant speculation. It was Walsh's call.
Walsh has always been known as an upstansing guy, until he says something that most want to disagree with...then he's a stinking lier. Unfortunatley, despite what Walsh has said, people who hate Dolan wont believe Walsh, just like they dont want to believe that Walsh made the Melo deal. This statement wont change much at all. People will believe what they want.
Walsh is old school, and as some have said, there is no way he makes this decision now, giving the Knicks only a short time before the draft to find someone to replace him. You would have to believe that even Dolan would be thinking the same way about the time he now has before the draft to find a GM, unless of course, he has somebody on the side who he trusts, whispering "sweet somethings" in his ear about who to draft.
The "consultant" money Dolan will be paying Donnie is just guilt money for the way Dolan pushed Walsh out this time, and around during the Anthony transaction, and may have also been done to keep folks from thinking this was Dolan's move.
Yeah, I'm putting my own spin on things, just as we all are, but nothing is out of the realm of possibility at this point.
Let the soap opera begin, and may the gods of fate be gentle.
This is just unbelieveable. Walsh is what was right with the franchise and I think he provided a lot of stability and brought the team back to respectability based on his actions and reputation. Asking him to take a 40% pay cut is worse than just saying I want to go in another direction. This doesn't make sense and just shows how unstable this franchise is as long as James Dolan is the owner. I really don't know what to say or think. Does Dolan know the draft is this month?
I'm pissed at the move too. Walsh (and D'antoni) was owed another year to see what he could put together. He never was given a fair chance. He started quite the transformation here. It really is a shame.
CrushAlot wrote:This is just unbelieveable. Walsh is what was right with the franchise and I think he provided a lot of stability and brought the team back to respectability based on his actions and reputation. Asking him to take a 40% pay cut is worse than just saying I want to go in another direction. This doesn't make sense and just shows how unstable this franchise is as long as James Dolan is the owner. I really don't know what to say or think. Does Dolan know the draft is this month?
Whats it's telling you is that Walsh was not the guy pulling the trigger on these deals...Walsh was prob just a figure head...
According to Isola, Dolan was pissed at Walsh for granting an interview to Mike Lupica, who he hates. Nevermind that the article was positive, he hated that Walsh went against his amazing media policy. Apparently they got into a heated telephone conversation in January where Walsh told Dolan to piss off and hung up on him.
OasisBU wrote:The Knicks are like the US economy - just when you think its coming out of the woods, it slips back into a recession.This is a blow for sure.
Haha, great analogy. And you worry it'll never be that good (Ewing era/dot com bubble) again.
I don't know what to make of it other than anything our front office is doing that distracts from making the team better in the short- and long-term is bad. Oh well, at least I have Mets baseball.
Oh wait...
Juice wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Juice wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Juice wrote:THANK GOODNESS
BEST NEWS EVER IF TRUE
I knew something was up because negotiations were taking too long to finalize.
HOO-RAY
HOO-RAY
HOO-RAY
HOO-RAY
You need to get superkicked in the face.
No I don't I realize there are other qualified and well respected execs out there to replace the very average one leaving. Don's a good dude and I hope he does well wherever he goes but sorry he wasn't as good as advertised. And quite frankly not sure how much decision making was completely his while here. Yes he brought a ton of respect here but he's not the only exec in the NBA who brings this quality to a franchise.
Sorry, your basketball opinion is not respected. Actually, you yourself are not respected. Stick to making nicknames like Walshed Up. You sucked at those but it was all you were good for.
To celebrate the firing of a man who helped change this team from awful, pathetic joke to respectable franchise is a slap in the face to real Knick fans. Maybe it's the fact that you were a Bulls fan not too long ago but we Knick fans love and respect Donnie Walsh for what he did here. No GM's record is spotless but his positives far outweighed the negatives.
you will learn to appreciate the man when we're back to having Isiah and/or his cronies run the show. These guys will never be more than puppet General Managers under this owner. If you're happy with that than there is nothing else I can say.
Do you know this for a fact this will happen so be quiet until the dust settles. There are capable professionals out there once again FACT not OPINION. He wasn't going to stick around forever and therefore we were looking at replacing him sooner than later anyway FACT not OPINION. He wanted to hire Mullin a GM some Knick fans didn't respect FACT not OPINION.
While there are capable professionals out there, few of us are confidant that Dolan will be capable/willing to pick one of them.
