CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:Not sure it's been mentioned enough, but I think David West opting out of his player option for New Orleans will have a down wind effect on CP3 staying/not staying with his team. Good sign for NY.
I feel bad for Monty. He has done a great job there.
don't feel bad for Monty; he HAS done a good job and is getting paid lots of $$$ because of it, and if and when his team falls apart because of ownership and finance issues, know that he will get another big payday with another team very easily because he aced his debut in NO. 
martin wrote:guns, dude it's amazing that you even remember your password to log back into this site 
He still has more posts than me! Amazing.
Gunsnewing, I don't see the same dilemma that you see.
Compared to CP3's likely salary, Shumpert if he is the player we think he is represents a huge financial opportunity for the Knicks. Boston had 3 superstars to start, but rookie Rajon Rondo quickly brought the number of exceptional players on the team to 4. Shumpert is capable of making a valuable contribution either as 1 or a 2, or a combo guard, or even as defensive stopper capable of keeping another teams "scorer" in check. If Shumpert gives the Knick an opportunity to get an excellent player for less for a couple of years, I expect the Knicks to refuse to part with him the same way that they refused to part with LandrFields. Its true that the Knicks did part with some excellent quality players like Gallo and Will, but it was about time for both Gallo and Will to be paid a salary approximating their actual worth.
Also the Knick's situation is quite differing when it comes to adding a third elite player, compared to our experience adding our second star. First the Miami Heat have a lasting economic advantage, because of the discounted salary that Lebron, Wade and Bosh voluntarily accepted. So it is critical that the Knicks find role players that are excellent economic values relative to their contributions such as Landry and hopefully Shumpert. I suggest that if Shumpert has a successful first year, the Knicks will try very hard not to turn him over in trade. It will likely make more sense for the Knicks to use the majority of their remaining financial resources toward solving their shortage of big men.
Assuming that Dolan will make an ass of himself a second time, and will give away many of our other assets ain't necessarily so. It clearly was extremely important to Melo to leave Denver on good terms with both the Denver fans and Denver management. We put up with Melo's loyalty to his former employer, because Dolan was so anxious to secure a second star as was Amare as well. I think that the Knicks including Mr. Dolan will learn from their past mistake. Adding a third superstar is also a less essential ingredient for the Knicks, particularly now that Dallas has proved that 2 superstars are enough to win the title if you surround them with quality players. It doesn't mean you are wrong. I just think that everyone knows that Dolan was a buffoon when he took over the negotiation. Donny Walsh found a way to make that point crystal clear. I don't think it is obvious that we will again sell our valuable assets at discount prices.
rvwink wrote:Gunsnewing, I don't see the same dilemma that you see. Compared to CP3's likely salary, Shumpert if he is the player we think he is represents a huge financial opportunity for the Knicks. Boston had 3 superstars to start, but rookie Rajon Rondo quickly brought the number of exceptional players on the team to 4. Shumpert is capable of making a valuable contribution either as 1 or a 2, or a combo guard, or even as defensive stopper capable of keeping another teams "scorer" in check. If Shumpert gives the Knick an opportunity to get an excellent player for less for a couple of years, I expect the Knicks to refuse to part with him the same way that they refused to part with LandrFields. Its true that the Knicks did part with some excellent quality players like Gallo and Will, but it was about time for both Gallo and Will to be paid a salary approximating their actual worth.
Also the Knick's situation is quite differing when it comes to adding a third elite player, compared to our experience adding our second star. First the Miami Heat have a lasting economic advantage, because of the discounted salary that Lebron, Wade and Bosh voluntarily accepted. So it is critical that the Knicks find role players that are excellent economic values relative to their contributions such as Landry and hopefully Shumpert. I suggest that if Shumpert has a successful first year, the Knicks will try very hard not to turn him over in trade. It will likely make more sense for the Knicks to use the majority of their remaining financial resources toward solving their shortage of big men.
Assuming that Dolan will make an ass of himself a second time, and will give away many of our other assets ain't necessarily so. It clearly was extremely important to Melo to leave Denver on good terms with both the Denver fans and Denver management. We put up with Melo's loyalty to his former employer, because Dolan was so anxious to secure a second star as was Amare as well. I think that the Knicks including Mr. Dolan will learn from their past mistake. Adding a third superstar is also a less essential ingredient for the Knicks, particularly now that Dallas has proved that 2 superstars are enough to win the title if you surround them with quality players. It doesn't mean you are wrong. I just think that everyone knows that Dolan was a buffoon when he took over the negotiation. Donny Walsh found a way to make that point crystal clear. I don't think it is obvious that we will again sell our valuable assets at discount prices.
rvwink, don't expect a reply from gunsnewing. He's the Kaiser Soze of UK.com.
And like that, poof. He's gone.
rvwink wrote:Gunsnewing, I don't see the same dilemma that you see. Compared to CP3's likely salary, Shumpert if he is the player we think he is represents a huge financial opportunity for the Knicks. Boston had 3 superstars to start, but rookie Rajon Rondo quickly brought the number of exceptional players on the team to 4. Shumpert is capable of making a valuable contribution either as 1 or a 2, or a combo guard, or even as defensive stopper capable of keeping another teams "scorer" in check. If Shumpert gives the Knick an opportunity to get an excellent player for less for a couple of years, I expect the Knicks to refuse to part with him the same way that they refused to part with LandrFields. Its true that the Knicks did part with some excellent quality players like Gallo and Will, but it was about time for both Gallo and Will to be paid a salary approximating their actual worth.
Also the Knick's situation is quite differing when it comes to adding a third elite player, compared to our experience adding our second star. First the Miami Heat have a lasting economic advantage, because of the discounted salary that Lebron, Wade and Bosh voluntarily accepted. So it is critical that the Knicks find role players that are excellent economic values relative to their contributions such as Landry and hopefully Shumpert. I suggest that if Shumpert has a successful first year, the Knicks will try very hard not to turn him over in trade. It will likely make more sense for the Knicks to use the majority of their remaining financial resources toward solving their shortage of big men.
Assuming that Dolan will make an ass of himself a second time, and will give away many of our other assets ain't necessarily so. It clearly was extremely important to Melo to leave Denver on good terms with both the Denver fans and Denver management. We put up with Melo's loyalty to his former employer, because Dolan was so anxious to secure a second star as was Amare as well. I think that the Knicks including Mr. Dolan will learn from their past mistake. Adding a third superstar is also a less essential ingredient for the Knicks, particularly now that Dallas has proved that 2 superstars are enough to win the title if you surround them with quality players. It doesn't mean you are wrong. I just think that everyone knows that Dolan was a buffoon when he took over the negotiation. Donny Walsh found a way to make that point crystal clear. I don't think it is obvious that we will again sell our valuable assets at discount prices.
As long as Isiah is not back , thats all you can realistically ask of Dolan
Don't you think Dolan has figured out that how much extra he paid for Melo has made him the "laughing stock" of the league? Donnie Walsh by demanding control in the future made sure everyone knew that Dolan screwed up. Do you really think he wants to repeat his performance as a buffoon? Also, one reason he wanted Melo in the worst way was so he could raise seat prices at the Garden. Adding a third superstar doesn't offer a similar benefit imo.
rvwink wrote:Don't you think Dolan has figured out that how much extra he paid for Melo has made him the "laughing stock" of the league? Donnie Walsh by demanding control in the future made sure everyone knew that Dolan screwed up. Do you really think he wants to repeat his performance as a buffoon? Also, one reason he wanted Melo in the worst way was so he could raise seat prices at the Garden. Adding a third superstar doesn't offer a similar benefit imo.
i think you give Dolan too much credit for being able to figure things out.
Come on dude, not getting Melo in a robbery deal has made the knicks a laughing stock??? I don't think Dolan cares at this point, the franchise has two stars right now locked up.
I think this Dolan destroyed the deal stuff is laughably overall. It's his franchise and he told his GM to get him a superstar, , trying to absolve Donnie Walsh completely like the Jeffires deal wasn't horrible too.
During the period he was in charge, Dolan has, by in large, sat on the sidelines and let his professionals make the necessary decisions. He was actually out of character, imo, when he pushed Donnie Walsh aside during the Melo negotiation and took over.
Dolan doesn't have the financial motivation he had last time. Also the Melo negotiation was critical to turning the Knicks into a team that was a playoff contender for the next few years. I think deciding whether to add a 3rd super star, will be a much more complicated decision to make. Because a 2 super star team beat the 3 super star teams in the finals very recently, it much harder to chose what path to take. While I respect your opinion that Donnie Walsh is indeed capable of screwing things up again. But my guess is that he hasn't enjoyed being exposed as the guy that caused the Knicks to lose significant assets. I certainly can't prove it, but I do think he is likely to stay in the background next time. Also when he hires a new GM, don't you think they too will was assurance that they will make the important decisions?
