Knicks · OT: ESPN Ford's Draft Grade (page 1)
I see no problems with him being a PG at the next level. Teams will challenge him, which i'm sure he's faced quite a bit over the last 3 years. It'll be interesting to see if he can do it. In any event he's got SG size and some PG skills, which is a great combination. What I like most is that he WANTS to be a PG. He wants to be a distributor, more than a primary scorer. So long as he thinks that way then he should be able to accomplish his goal. Mike will be a perfect coach to teach him how to exploit a defense, but it's all on him to learn and execute.
ACC Triple-Doubles This season*Jan. 25, 2011 – Iman Shumpert – 22 points, 12 rebounds, 11 assists vs. Virginia Tech
Nov. 14, 2010 – Chris Singleton (Florida State) – 22 points, 11 rebounds, 10 steals vs. UNC-Greensboro
Shumpert said he didn’t know he had accomplished the feat until assistant coach Darryl LaBarrie told him during a timeout that a triple-double wasn’t as good if the team didn’t win.
“I’m all smiles tonight,” he said after posting the first triple-double in ACC play in Tech history. Shumpert was just three steals away from posting a quadruple-double. He also had just one turnover in 38 minutes.
nixluva wrote:The only thing missing for Iman IMO is good coaching. He's got a sick handle and the same kind of speed that a Westbrook has. He can be a PG. People just assume that he can't, but he's capable of getting a rebound, which he does very well and starting the break. He's a very fast player. If he's better than Rautins at brining the ball upcourtWhat I like most is that he WANTS to be a PG. He wants to be a distributor, more than a primary scorer. So long as he thinks that way then he should be able to accomplish his goal. Mike will be a perfect coach to teach him how to exploit a defense, but it's all on him to learn and execute.
ACC Triple-Doubles This season*Jan. 25, 2011 – Iman Shumpert – 22 points, 12 rebounds, 11 assists vs. Virginia Tech
Nov. 14, 2010 – Chris Singleton (Florida State) – 22 points, 11 rebounds, 10 steals vs. UNC-Greensboro
Shumpert said he didn’t know he had accomplished the feat until assistant coach Darryl LaBarrie told him during a timeout that a triple-double wasn’t as good if the team didn’t win.
“I’m all smiles tonight,” he said after posting the first triple-double in ACC play in Tech history. Shumpert was just three steals away from posting a quadruple-double. He also had just one turnover in 38 minutes.
sick handle and the kind of speed Westbrook has? Wow, them some dramatic conclusions.
decent handle and quickness is more like it. And he needs to prove he can run a team, so far he has not, coaching notwithstanding.
martin wrote:nixluva wrote:The only thing missing for Iman IMO is good coaching. He's got a sick handle and the same kind of speed that a Westbrook has. He can be a PG. People just assume that he can't, but he's capable of getting a rebound, which he does very well and starting the break. He's a very fast player. If he's better than Rautins at brining the ball upcourtWhat I like most is that he WANTS to be a PG. He wants to be a distributor, more than a primary scorer. So long as he thinks that way then he should be able to accomplish his goal. Mike will be a perfect coach to teach him how to exploit a defense, but it's all on him to learn and execute.
ACC Triple-Doubles This season*Jan. 25, 2011 – Iman Shumpert – 22 points, 12 rebounds, 11 assists vs. Virginia Tech
Nov. 14, 2010 – Chris Singleton (Florida State) – 22 points, 11 rebounds, 10 steals vs. UNC-Greensboro
Shumpert said he didn’t know he had accomplished the feat until assistant coach Darryl LaBarrie told him during a timeout that a triple-double wasn’t as good if the team didn’t win.
“I’m all smiles tonight,” he said after posting the first triple-double in ACC play in Tech history. Shumpert was just three steals away from posting a quadruple-double. He also had just one turnover in 38 minutes.
sick handle and the kind of speed Westbrook has? Wow, them some dramatic conclusions.
decent handle and quickness is more like it. And he needs to prove he can run a team, so far he has not, coaching notwithstanding.
From what i've seen and read for a 6-5 guad, Iman does have a very good handle. Iman is a much bigger player than Westbrook and yet he's nearly as quick, agile and fast from end to end. He's just as explosive, in fact he jumps higher.
Hght w/o Shoes Hght w/shoes Wght Wingspan Stdng Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert B Press Agility 3/4 Sprint
Westbrook
6' 2.25" 6' 3.5" 192 6' 7.75" 8' 4" 4.8 30.0 36.5 12 10.98 3.08
Iman
6' 4.25" 6' 5.5" 222 6' 9.5" 8' 3.5" 6.5 36.5 42.0 18 11.10 3.18
nixluva wrote:martin wrote:nixluva wrote:The only thing missing for Iman IMO is good coaching. He's got a sick handle and the same kind of speed that a Westbrook has. He can be a PG. People just assume that he can't, but he's capable of getting a rebound, which he does very well and starting the break. He's a very fast player. If he's better than Rautins at brining the ball upcourtWhat I like most is that he WANTS to be a PG. He wants to be a distributor, more than a primary scorer. So long as he thinks that way then he should be able to accomplish his goal. Mike will be a perfect coach to teach him how to exploit a defense, but it's all on him to learn and execute.
ACC Triple-Doubles This season*Jan. 25, 2011 – Iman Shumpert – 22 points, 12 rebounds, 11 assists vs. Virginia Tech
Nov. 14, 2010 – Chris Singleton (Florida State) – 22 points, 11 rebounds, 10 steals vs. UNC-Greensboro
Shumpert said he didn’t know he had accomplished the feat until assistant coach Darryl LaBarrie told him during a timeout that a triple-double wasn’t as good if the team didn’t win.
“I’m all smiles tonight,” he said after posting the first triple-double in ACC play in Tech history. Shumpert was just three steals away from posting a quadruple-double. He also had just one turnover in 38 minutes.
sick handle and the kind of speed Westbrook has? Wow, them some dramatic conclusions.
decent handle and quickness is more like it. And he needs to prove he can run a team, so far he has not, coaching notwithstanding.
From what i've seen and read for a 6-5 guad, Iman does have a very good handle. Iman is a much bigger player than Westbrook and yet he's nearly as quick, agile and fast from end to end. He's just as explosive, in fact he jumps higher.Hght w/o Shoes Hght w/shoes Wght Wingspan Stdng Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert B Press Agility 3/4 Sprint
Westbrook
6' 2.25" 6' 3.5" 192 6' 7.75" 8' 4" 4.8 30.0 36.5 12 10.98 3.08
Iman
6' 4.25" 6' 5.5" 222 6' 9.5" 8' 3.5" 6.5 36.5 42.0 18 11.10 3.18
doing it in combine much different than on court. he certainly has potential, but it hasn't added up.
With the frame, quickness and handle you are shopping, dude should have wrecked the collegiate competition, and he didn't.
martin wrote:nixluva wrote:martin wrote:nixluva wrote:The only thing missing for Iman IMO is good coaching. He's got a sick handle and the same kind of speed that a Westbrook has. He can be a PG. People just assume that he can't, but he's capable of getting a rebound, which he does very well and starting the break. He's a very fast player. If he's better than Rautins at brining the ball upcourtWhat I like most is that he WANTS to be a PG. He wants to be a distributor, more than a primary scorer. So long as he thinks that way then he should be able to accomplish his goal. Mike will be a perfect coach to teach him how to exploit a defense, but it's all on him to learn and execute.
ACC Triple-Doubles This season*Jan. 25, 2011 – Iman Shumpert – 22 points, 12 rebounds, 11 assists vs. Virginia Tech
Nov. 14, 2010 – Chris Singleton (Florida State) – 22 points, 11 rebounds, 10 steals vs. UNC-Greensboro
Shumpert said he didn’t know he had accomplished the feat until assistant coach Darryl LaBarrie told him during a timeout that a triple-double wasn’t as good if the team didn’t win.
“I’m all smiles tonight,” he said after posting the first triple-double in ACC play in Tech history. Shumpert was just three steals away from posting a quadruple-double. He also had just one turnover in 38 minutes.
sick handle and the kind of speed Westbrook has? Wow, them some dramatic conclusions.
decent handle and quickness is more like it. And he needs to prove he can run a team, so far he has not, coaching notwithstanding.
From what i've seen and read for a 6-5 guad, Iman does have a very good handle. Iman is a much bigger player than Westbrook and yet he's nearly as quick, agile and fast from end to end. He's just as explosive, in fact he jumps higher.Hght w/o Shoes Hght w/shoes Wght Wingspan Stdng Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert B Press Agility 3/4 Sprint
Westbrook
6' 2.25" 6' 3.5" 192 6' 7.75" 8' 4" 4.8 30.0 36.5 12 10.98 3.08
Iman
6' 4.25" 6' 5.5" 222 6' 9.5" 8' 3.5" 6.5 36.5 42.0 18 11.10 3.18doing it in combine much different than on court. he certainly has potential, but it hasn't added up.
With the frame, quickness and handle you are shopping, dude should have wrecked the collegiate competition, and he didn't.
how much does that have to do with the fact that he was apparently on a bad team and he was forced to take a lot of bad shots for lack of better teammates? mind you, i don't watch much college ball, but i've read up on the kid since he's been drafted. and that's something i've seen come up. is that a factor?
eViL wrote:martin wrote:nixluva wrote:martin wrote:nixluva wrote:The only thing missing for Iman IMO is good coaching. He's got a sick handle and the same kind of speed that a Westbrook has. He can be a PG. People just assume that he can't, but he's capable of getting a rebound, which he does very well and starting the break. He's a very fast player. If he's better than Rautins at brining the ball upcourtWhat I like most is that he WANTS to be a PG. He wants to be a distributor, more than a primary scorer. So long as he thinks that way then he should be able to accomplish his goal. Mike will be a perfect coach to teach him how to exploit a defense, but it's all on him to learn and execute.
ACC Triple-Doubles This season*Jan. 25, 2011 – Iman Shumpert – 22 points, 12 rebounds, 11 assists vs. Virginia Tech
Nov. 14, 2010 – Chris Singleton (Florida State) – 22 points, 11 rebounds, 10 steals vs. UNC-Greensboro
Shumpert said he didn’t know he had accomplished the feat until assistant coach Darryl LaBarrie told him during a timeout that a triple-double wasn’t as good if the team didn’t win.
“I’m all smiles tonight,” he said after posting the first triple-double in ACC play in Tech history. Shumpert was just three steals away from posting a quadruple-double. He also had just one turnover in 38 minutes.
sick handle and the kind of speed Westbrook has? Wow, them some dramatic conclusions.
decent handle and quickness is more like it. And he needs to prove he can run a team, so far he has not, coaching notwithstanding.
From what i've seen and read for a 6-5 guad, Iman does have a very good handle. Iman is a much bigger player than Westbrook and yet he's nearly as quick, agile and fast from end to end. He's just as explosive, in fact he jumps higher.Hght w/o Shoes Hght w/shoes Wght Wingspan Stdng Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert B Press Agility 3/4 Sprint
Westbrook
6' 2.25" 6' 3.5" 192 6' 7.75" 8' 4" 4.8 30.0 36.5 12 10.98 3.08
Iman
6' 4.25" 6' 5.5" 222 6' 9.5" 8' 3.5" 6.5 36.5 42.0 18 11.10 3.18doing it in combine much different than on court. he certainly has potential, but it hasn't added up.
With the frame, quickness and handle you are shopping, dude should have wrecked the collegiate competition, and he didn't.
how much does that have to do with the fact that he was apparently on a bad team and he was forced to take a lot of bad shots for lack of better teammates? mind you, i don't watch much college ball, but i've read up on the kid since he's been drafted. and that's something i've seen come up. is that a factor?
undoubtedly so.
martin wrote:nixluva wrote:martin wrote:nixluva wrote:The only thing missing for Iman IMO is good coaching. He's got a sick handle and the same kind of speed that a Westbrook has. He can be a PG. People just assume that he can't, but he's capable of getting a rebound, which he does very well and starting the break. He's a very fast player. If he's better than Rautins at brining the ball upcourtWhat I like most is that he WANTS to be a PG. He wants to be a distributor, more than a primary scorer. So long as he thinks that way then he should be able to accomplish his goal. Mike will be a perfect coach to teach him how to exploit a defense, but it's all on him to learn and execute.
ACC Triple-Doubles This season*Jan. 25, 2011 – Iman Shumpert – 22 points, 12 rebounds, 11 assists vs. Virginia Tech
Nov. 14, 2010 – Chris Singleton (Florida State) – 22 points, 11 rebounds, 10 steals vs. UNC-Greensboro
Shumpert said he didn’t know he had accomplished the feat until assistant coach Darryl LaBarrie told him during a timeout that a triple-double wasn’t as good if the team didn’t win.
“I’m all smiles tonight,” he said after posting the first triple-double in ACC play in Tech history. Shumpert was just three steals away from posting a quadruple-double. He also had just one turnover in 38 minutes.
sick handle and the kind of speed Westbrook has? Wow, them some dramatic conclusions.
decent handle and quickness is more like it. And he needs to prove he can run a team, so far he has not, coaching notwithstanding.
From what i've seen and read for a 6-5 guad, Iman does have a very good handle. Iman is a much bigger player than Westbrook and yet he's nearly as quick, agile and fast from end to end. He's just as explosive, in fact he jumps higher.Hght w/o Shoes Hght w/shoes Wght Wingspan Stdng Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert B Press Agility 3/4 Sprint
Westbrook
6' 2.25" 6' 3.5" 192 6' 7.75" 8' 4" 4.8 30.0 36.5 12 10.98 3.08
Iman
6' 4.25" 6' 5.5" 222 6' 9.5" 8' 3.5" 6.5 36.5 42.0 18 11.10 3.18doing it in combine much different than on court. he certainly has potential, but it hasn't added up.
With the frame, quickness and handle you are shopping, dude should have wrecked the collegiate competition, and he didn't.
When you say that it doesn't take into consideration the fact that he may not have had the best coaching nor time to really work on his game like he should have now. Perhaps those things limited him. No one said he couldn't get off, but rather that he would take bad shots. He got to the line at a good clip 5.6 a game. That suggests that he was getting the better of his opponents on a regular basis. He took 14 shots a game and avg'd 47% from 2pt range. I think that this kid get's the short shrift but he may have been underachieving up til now.
MDA specializes in putting players in optimal circumstances and that may make a huge difference for this kid. Put this kid in a situation where he can take advantage of his strengths and we may yet see a special player emerge. He's a strong finisher likely due to his strength and power and if you put him in repeated PnR situations he may really blossom. Remember he's been going against PG's and I think he'll have a very good advantage in size and strength.