martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks came out of camp 3-8 last year and 1-9 the season before when they brought back their core from D'Antoni's first year. Training camp has not seemed to help get these guys ready under this coach.
Get this through your head: teams with a lot of new players struggle. Same with Miami, same with a lot of teams.
The Heat were well over .500 before they went on their 22-2 run that started in the end of November last season. I don't see how that compares to a team that had came out and went 3-14 with the same core group of players from the previous season. Going 10-5 for the month following that just seemed to fuel the coaches delusional we are trying to make the playoffs statements for a team that won 29 games and didn't play its first round picks. Teams with coaches that don't focus on preperation and practice struggle.
Miami going 10-8 thru end of Nov is well over .500?
Knicks started 2 rookies in starting lineup. 4 new players in starting lineup.
Name me the players that you consider the same core group from the previous season.
Are your thoughts based in reality or are you just making crap up so that you can fuel your hate of MDA?
Its very convenient to ignore the previous 29 win season and say that it didn't count. However, that core group of guys was together and playing for D'Antoni the previous year and came out and went 1-9 to start the season. They did not appear to gain anything from his training camp. Maybe the effort was there last year and the team didn't jell but this didn't just happen once. As far as the 09-10 roster is concerned it is easier to name the new additions. Hill, Douglas, M. Landry and Millic were added. After the November shake up I believe Hughes was the only guy on the team acquired after November of the previous season.
I suppose we have to look a the roster at 1-9 and the conditions that existed in the lockerroom. Pending trades? Rumors? Marbles? etc.
Nalod wrote:I suppose we have to look a the roster at 1-9 and the conditions that existed in the lockerroom. Pending trades? Rumors? Marbles? etc.
1-9 was D'Antoni's second year.
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks came out of camp 3-8 last year and 1-9 the season before when they brought back their core from D'Antoni's first year. Training camp has not seemed to help get these guys ready under this coach.
Get this through your head: teams with a lot of new players struggle. Same with Miami, same with a lot of teams.
The Heat were well over .500 before they went on their 22-2 run that started in the end of November last season. I don't see how that compares to a team that had came out and went 3-14 with the same core group of players from the previous season. Going 10-5 for the month following that just seemed to fuel the coaches delusional we are trying to make the playoffs statements for a team that won 29 games and didn't play its first round picks. Teams with coaches that don't focus on preperation and practice struggle.
Miami going 10-8 thru end of Nov is well over .500?
Knicks started 2 rookies in starting lineup. 4 new players in starting lineup.
Name me the players that you consider the same core group from the previous season.
Are your thoughts based in reality or are you just making crap up so that you can fuel your hate of MDA?
Its very convenient to ignore the previous 29 win season and say that it didn't count. However, that core group of guys was together and playing for D'Antoni the previous year and came out and went 1-9 to start the season. They did not appear to gain anything from his training camp. Maybe the effort was there last year and the team didn't jell but this didn't just happen once. As far as the 09-10 roster is concerned it is easier to name the new additions. Hill, Douglas, M. Landry and Millic were added. After the November shake up I believe Hughes was the only guy on the team acquired after November of the previous season.
you didn't answer 1 question of mine.
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Knicks came out of camp 3-8 last year and 1-9 the season before when they brought back their core from D'Antoni's first year. Training camp has not seemed to help get these guys ready under this coach.
Get this through your head: teams with a lot of new players struggle. Same with Miami, same with a lot of teams.
The Heat were well over .500 before they went on their 22-2 run that started in the end of November last season. I don't see how that compares to a team that had came out and went 3-14 with the same core group of players from the previous season. Going 10-5 for the month following that just seemed to fuel the coaches delusional we are trying to make the playoffs statements for a team that won 29 games and didn't play its first round picks. Teams with coaches that don't focus on preperation and practice struggle.
Miami going 10-8 thru end of Nov is well over .500?
Knicks started 2 rookies in starting lineup. 4 new players in starting lineup.
Name me the players that you consider the same core group from the previous season.
Are your thoughts based in reality or are you just making crap up so that you can fuel your hate of MDA?
Its very convenient to ignore the previous 29 win season and say that it didn't count. However, that core group of guys was together and playing for D'Antoni the previous year and came out and went 1-9 to start the season. They did not appear to gain anything from his training camp. Maybe the effort was there last year and the team didn't jell but this didn't just happen once. As far as the 09-10 roster is concerned it is easier to name the new additions. Hill, Douglas, M. Landry and Millic were added. After the November shake up I believe Hughes was the only guy on the team acquired after November of the previous season.
you didn't answer 1 question of mine.
You asked two questions and I answered one. Do you really need an answer to the 10-8 question? I guess I was more focused on the 22-2 run that started at the end of Nov. My response was that aside from the four new guys and Hughes, D'Antoni had his entire team from 11/18 the year before. 70 games together might not achieve Stocton/Malone chemistry but that plus a training camp should with a veteran coach should be significant enough to have higher expectations for a team coming out of training camp then 1=9.
None of the teams we had previous to last year were designed to stay together and win. The intent was to get under the cap enough to sign 2 max players. They had to go to plan B but overall it was still successful. I think with every returning player healthy it should provide a boost to start the year with the best talent this team has had since MDA came here.
Let's hope there's a season and that the team gets together before the official start of camp. I think the players and staff will be motivated to get in synch ASAP but there's gonna be a lot of work to do in a short Span of time.
I think a shortened season is good for Boston.
nixluva wrote:None of the teams we had previous to last year were designed to stay together and win. The intent was to get under the cap enough to sign 2 max players. They had to go to plan B but overall it was still successful. I think with every returning player healthy it should provide a boost to start the year with the best talent this team has had since MDA came here.Let's hope there's a season and that the team gets together before the official start of camp. I think the players and staff will be motivated to get in synch ASAP but there's gonna be a lot of work to do in a short Span of time.
I've gotten tired of pointing that out. People want to put fire to D'Antoni for roster failures which, were never designed to succeed. They were a bunch of mismatching pieces put together because of the cap relief they would provide. Mike D had little chance of winning with those rosters.
THIS is the year we are supposed to judge him on.
Walsh only said it multiple times but, Knick fans collective memories are as bad as the Jokes about Donnie sleeping on the job.
