Knicks · Knicks in the lead to get TYSON CHANDLER!?!?!??!? via Ken Berger (page 10)
Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.
What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.
This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.
martin wrote:crzymdups wrote:oh boy... here's the final piece.Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
Don't think NYK out of CP3 Hunt if it gets Ty Chandler. Ty & CP r close friends. Most likely, Amare would hit trade market.
2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Replyfor me that's pure speculation on Broussard's part, nothing more.
Broussard's a whore that makes shyt up. Amare is NY just as Melo is New York just as KRS was Hip Hop
Childs2Dudley wrote:crzymdups wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:martin wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Andrew wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:I was always in favor of using next year's $14 million in cap space on 2 or 3 solid players, including a center. Camby would be a free agent. Camby and Nash in one offseason would have been solid, despite their age.Camby and Nash or Chandler and Nash? Is there a difference, because the latter is a definite possibility.
Yeah, the difference is you have financial flexibility without Chandler's contract destroying your cap.
Irony: you complain about Chandler's injury situation and the alternate center you propose is Camby? ... who has played LESS games because of injury over the last 5 years and is almost a decade older?
Camby will not cost you $14 million a season.
right, because he's ten years older than chandler and not as effective and not as sturdy at this point. in their primes, camby is the better player, but we can't trade for 2004 camby anymore. that ship has sailed.
people (myself included) covet getting camby get as a way to undo that horrible trade - it's time to let it go.
Tyson Chandler / Amare Stoudemire / Carmelo Anthony
that's the most dynamic front court in the league.
and we still have an MLE this season and next season. what's not to like? throw in our ACC lockdown backcourt of Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas and this team is looking REALLY GOOD.
Camby is still putting up numbers despite his age. He is still a capable player in the league.
I just don't think you understand how horrible it is to give this guy such a large contract. It severely cripples our flexibility to continue improving the team moving forward.
Cap flexibility was thrown out the window after the Melo trade.
NYKBocker wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:crzymdups wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:martin wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Andrew wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:I was always in favor of using next year's $14 million in cap space on 2 or 3 solid players, including a center. Camby would be a free agent. Camby and Nash in one offseason would have been solid, despite their age.Camby and Nash or Chandler and Nash? Is there a difference, because the latter is a definite possibility.
Yeah, the difference is you have financial flexibility without Chandler's contract destroying your cap.
Irony: you complain about Chandler's injury situation and the alternate center you propose is Camby? ... who has played LESS games because of injury over the last 5 years and is almost a decade older?
Camby will not cost you $14 million a season.
right, because he's ten years older than chandler and not as effective and not as sturdy at this point. in their primes, camby is the better player, but we can't trade for 2004 camby anymore. that ship has sailed.
people (myself included) covet getting camby get as a way to undo that horrible trade - it's time to let it go.
Tyson Chandler / Amare Stoudemire / Carmelo Anthony
that's the most dynamic front court in the league.
and we still have an MLE this season and next season. what's not to like? throw in our ACC lockdown backcourt of Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas and this team is looking REALLY GOOD.
Camby is still putting up numbers despite his age. He is still a capable player in the league.
I just don't think you understand how horrible it is to give this guy such a large contract. It severely cripples our flexibility to continue improving the team moving forward.
Cap flexibility was thrown out the window after the Melo trade.
No it wasn't. We had $14 million in cap space next season.
Childs2Dudley wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:crzymdups wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:martin wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Andrew wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:I was always in favor of using next year's $14 million in cap space on 2 or 3 solid players, including a center. Camby would be a free agent. Camby and Nash in one offseason would have been solid, despite their age.Camby and Nash or Chandler and Nash? Is there a difference, because the latter is a definite possibility.
Yeah, the difference is you have financial flexibility without Chandler's contract destroying your cap.
Irony: you complain about Chandler's injury situation and the alternate center you propose is Camby? ... who has played LESS games because of injury over the last 5 years and is almost a decade older?
Camby will not cost you $14 million a season.
right, because he's ten years older than chandler and not as effective and not as sturdy at this point. in their primes, camby is the better player, but we can't trade for 2004 camby anymore. that ship has sailed.
people (myself included) covet getting camby get as a way to undo that horrible trade - it's time to let it go.
Tyson Chandler / Amare Stoudemire / Carmelo Anthony
that's the most dynamic front court in the league.
and we still have an MLE this season and next season. what's not to like? throw in our ACC lockdown backcourt of Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas and this team is looking REALLY GOOD.
Camby is still putting up numbers despite his age. He is still a capable player in the league.
I just don't think you understand how horrible it is to give this guy such a large contract. It severely cripples our flexibility to continue improving the team moving forward.
Cap flexibility was thrown out the window after the Melo trade.
No it wasn't. We had $14 million in cap space next season.
You sure about that? We are not signing anymore players this year?
NYKBocker wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:crzymdups wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:martin wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Andrew wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:I was always in favor of using next year's $14 million in cap space on 2 or 3 solid players, including a center. Camby would be a free agent. Camby and Nash in one offseason would have been solid, despite their age.Camby and Nash or Chandler and Nash? Is there a difference, because the latter is a definite possibility.
Yeah, the difference is you have financial flexibility without Chandler's contract destroying your cap.
Irony: you complain about Chandler's injury situation and the alternate center you propose is Camby? ... who has played LESS games because of injury over the last 5 years and is almost a decade older?
Camby will not cost you $14 million a season.
right, because he's ten years older than chandler and not as effective and not as sturdy at this point. in their primes, camby is the better player, but we can't trade for 2004 camby anymore. that ship has sailed.
people (myself included) covet getting camby get as a way to undo that horrible trade - it's time to let it go.
Tyson Chandler / Amare Stoudemire / Carmelo Anthony
that's the most dynamic front court in the league.
and we still have an MLE this season and next season. what's not to like? throw in our ACC lockdown backcourt of Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas and this team is looking REALLY GOOD.
Camby is still putting up numbers despite his age. He is still a capable player in the league.
I just don't think you understand how horrible it is to give this guy such a large contract. It severely cripples our flexibility to continue improving the team moving forward.
Cap flexibility was thrown out the window after the Melo trade.
No it wasn't. We had $14 million in cap space next season.
You sure about that? We are not signing anymore players this year?
I don't understand what you're trying to say..
so it comes down to do you prefer CP3 or Melo.
or we could just deal with reality which is that the Knicks now have the best frontline in basketball.
question is: who plays the point? Baron Davis is amnestied and he clears the bid period (which he prob would)? jamaal tinsley? maybe steve blake if the lakers get CP3 and keep fisher and amnesty blake. maybe luke ridnour?
but, seriously, with a front court of Amar'e (just measured at 6'11" 260lbs) / Tyson Chandler (7'1" 280lbs) / Carmelo Anthony... who beats that frontline?
nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.
This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.
My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!
Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.
This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.
My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!
wow, it's getting Testy in here. First a Mod going at a poster and now this....LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE
DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.
This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.
My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!wow, it's getting Testy in here. First a Mod going at a poster and now this....LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE
Bonn takes it real personal. He called me obnoxious last week.
Childs2Dudley wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:crzymdups wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:martin wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Andrew wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:I was always in favor of using next year's $14 million in cap space on 2 or 3 solid players, including a center. Camby would be a free agent. Camby and Nash in one offseason would have been solid, despite their age.Camby and Nash or Chandler and Nash? Is there a difference, because the latter is a definite possibility.
Yeah, the difference is you have financial flexibility without Chandler's contract destroying your cap.
Irony: you complain about Chandler's injury situation and the alternate center you propose is Camby? ... who has played LESS games because of injury over the last 5 years and is almost a decade older?
Camby will not cost you $14 million a season.
right, because he's ten years older than chandler and not as effective and not as sturdy at this point. in their primes, camby is the better player, but we can't trade for 2004 camby anymore. that ship has sailed.
people (myself included) covet getting camby get as a way to undo that horrible trade - it's time to let it go.
Tyson Chandler / Amare Stoudemire / Carmelo Anthony
that's the most dynamic front court in the league.
and we still have an MLE this season and next season. what's not to like? throw in our ACC lockdown backcourt of Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas and this team is looking REALLY GOOD.
Camby is still putting up numbers despite his age. He is still a capable player in the league.
I just don't think you understand how horrible it is to give this guy such a large contract. It severely cripples our flexibility to continue improving the team moving forward.
Cap flexibility was thrown out the window after the Melo trade.
No it wasn't. We had $14 million in cap space next season.
You sure about that? We are not signing anymore players this year?
I don't understand what you're trying to say..
Meaning if you sign more players this year, it better be for 1 year contracts.
Bonn1997 wrote:To be a championship rather than a very good team, we still need Carmelo to improve his efficiency, though.
totally agree. it's on melo and stat to be the leaders now.
crzymdups wrote:only thing i can say on that point is - maybe the knicks should have waited on Melo. Then they could be looking at CP3, Amar'e and Tyson. but every single asset that went in the melo trade would have to go in the CP3 trade.so it comes down to do you prefer CP3 or Melo.
or we could just deal with reality which is that the Knicks now have the best frontline in basketball.
question is: who plays the point? Baron Davis is amnestied and he clears the bid period (which he prob would)? jamaal tinsley? maybe steve blake if the lakers get CP3 and keep fisher and amnesty blake. maybe luke ridnour?
but, seriously, with a front court of Amar'e (just measured at 6'11" 260lbs) / Tyson Chandler (7'1" 280lbs) / Carmelo Anthony... who beats that frontline?
agree and its old school... you win with size and that size is great and its backed by elite athleticism. These arent plodding dinosaurs. Chandler is everything Camby was, and most would agree that even for 60 games Camby was pretty freakin awesome here.
I understand our PG options are limited, but our two offensive stars in Melo/Stat arent players that have to have perfect passes to score.
Childs2dudley... average center? He's the 2nd best defensive player in the league next to Dwight. Did you watch the Mavs run last year? Please....
Silverfuel wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.
This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.
My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!wow, it's getting Testy in here. First a Mod going at a poster and now this....LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE
Bonn takes it real personal. He called me obnoxious last week.
I call a spade a spade. I didn't say I disliked you as a person.
NYKBocker wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:crzymdups wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:martin wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:Andrew wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:I was always in favor of using next year's $14 million in cap space on 2 or 3 solid players, including a center. Camby would be a free agent. Camby and Nash in one offseason would have been solid, despite their age.Camby and Nash or Chandler and Nash? Is there a difference, because the latter is a definite possibility.
Yeah, the difference is you have financial flexibility without Chandler's contract destroying your cap.
Irony: you complain about Chandler's injury situation and the alternate center you propose is Camby? ... who has played LESS games because of injury over the last 5 years and is almost a decade older?
Camby will not cost you $14 million a season.
right, because he's ten years older than chandler and not as effective and not as sturdy at this point. in their primes, camby is the better player, but we can't trade for 2004 camby anymore. that ship has sailed.
people (myself included) covet getting camby get as a way to undo that horrible trade - it's time to let it go.
Tyson Chandler / Amare Stoudemire / Carmelo Anthony
that's the most dynamic front court in the league.
and we still have an MLE this season and next season. what's not to like? throw in our ACC lockdown backcourt of Iman Shumpert and Toney Douglas and this team is looking REALLY GOOD.
Camby is still putting up numbers despite his age. He is still a capable player in the league.
I just don't think you understand how horrible it is to give this guy such a large contract. It severely cripples our flexibility to continue improving the team moving forward.
Cap flexibility was thrown out the window after the Melo trade.
No it wasn't. We had $14 million in cap space next season.
You sure about that? We are not signing anymore players this year?
I don't understand what you're trying to say..
Meaning if you sign more players this year, it better be for 1 year contracts.
Why? The 1 year contracts were to preserve cap space. Our cap space would be completely gone with this signing.
Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.
This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.
My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!
Stop pretending you didn't mean this in a negative way!!! You talk so much ish it's ridiculous. You can't wait to find a negative strain to pick at with anything this team does. This is a great move for this franhise. Sure you can look for negatives, but it's a move that totally changes the outlook of the team and how we build it from here.
nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:One issue is the Knicks will probably use Tyson for far more than the 27 mpg the Mavs do. Hopefully he can handle it.What is your major malfunction? Why would the Knicks have to overuse Chandler? We will have other bigs to play behind him. Jared & Jorts in particular. I'm sure they could add another big to that crew and the team will be fine.
This is a move that the Knicks have to make. If they can't get Cp3, then the logical thing is to sure up the frontcourt and they can find a capable PG in the FA market. I listed some of the guys available up above.
My major malfunction? WTF? You'd think I said something racially insensitive or outrageous, not merely predict an increase in minutes for a player!Stop pretending you didn't mean this in a negative way!!! You talk so much ish it's ridiculous. You can't wait to find a negative strain to pick at with anything this team does. This is a great move for this franhise. Sure you can look for negatives, but it's a move that totally changes the outlook of the team and how we build it from here.
Did you not see my reaction? As long as Chandler is healthy, this move is awesome. And just to be clear: Are you predicting that Chandler will not play more than 27 mpg?
fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:only thing i can say on that point is - maybe the knicks should have waited on Melo. Then they could be looking at CP3, Amar'e and Tyson. but every single asset that went in the melo trade would have to go in the CP3 trade.so it comes down to do you prefer CP3 or Melo.
or we could just deal with reality which is that the Knicks now have the best frontline in basketball.
question is: who plays the point? Baron Davis is amnestied and he clears the bid period (which he prob would)? jamaal tinsley? maybe steve blake if the lakers get CP3 and keep fisher and amnesty blake. maybe luke ridnour?
but, seriously, with a front court of Amar'e (just measured at 6'11" 260lbs) / Tyson Chandler (7'1" 280lbs) / Carmelo Anthony... who beats that frontline?
agree and its old school... you win with size and that size is great and its backed by elite athleticism. These arent plodding dinosaurs. Chandler is everything Camby was, and most would agree that even for 60 games Camby was pretty freakin awesome here.I understand our PG options are limited, but our two offensive stars in Melo/Stat arent players that have to have perfect passes to score.
Childs2dudley... average center? He's the 2nd best defensive player in the league next to Dwight. Did you watch the Mavs run last year? Please....
Agreed! He is polished unlike Bynum and Bogut is not there yet. I will take him over those guys to play next to Amare.
fishmike wrote:crzymdups wrote:only thing i can say on that point is - maybe the knicks should have waited on Melo. Then they could be looking at CP3, Amar'e and Tyson. but every single asset that went in the melo trade would have to go in the CP3 trade.so it comes down to do you prefer CP3 or Melo.
or we could just deal with reality which is that the Knicks now have the best frontline in basketball.
question is: who plays the point? Baron Davis is amnestied and he clears the bid period (which he prob would)? jamaal tinsley? maybe steve blake if the lakers get CP3 and keep fisher and amnesty blake. maybe luke ridnour?
but, seriously, with a front court of Amar'e (just measured at 6'11" 260lbs) / Tyson Chandler (7'1" 280lbs) / Carmelo Anthony... who beats that frontline?
agree and its old school... you win with size and that size is great and its backed by elite athleticism. These arent plodding dinosaurs. Chandler is everything Camby was, and most would agree that even for 60 games Camby was pretty freakin awesome here.I understand our PG options are limited, but our two offensive stars in Melo/Stat arent players that have to have perfect passes to score.
Childs2dudley... average center? He's the 2nd best defensive player in the league next to Dwight. Did you watch the Mavs run last year? Please....
What criteria are you using to judge him as the 2nd best defensive center?
The guy plays 27 minutes a game, averages 10 and 9 and all of a sudden he's Dikembe Mutombo's son.
If we got this guy 2 years ago all of you would be calling for Walsh's head. Such is life.