Knicks · Chander Deal: Is this how it goes down? (page 4)

loweyecue wrote:

martin wrote:

loweyecue wrote:This will be a heck of a front court and Grant Hill would have made us great. We need outside shooters, don't think we have any on this team with CB gone.

TD, Fields, Shawne Williams.

Inconsistent, immature and not coach able. Need veteran leadership at Guard.

But this definitely makes us better.

loweyecue wrote:

Nalod wrote:Dallas don't want Billups. They have to pay him.

Good use for amnesty until we really need it.

Are you being sarcastic or do you support using the Amnesty like this

I think I like this deal. Too bad Paul gone but while we use amnesty now, it will hold value in the form of Chandler or Amare as long as healthy.

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

martin wrote:

loweyecue wrote:This will be a heck of a front court and Grant Hill would have made us great. We need outside shooters, don't think we have any on this team with CB gone.

TD, Fields, Shawne Williams.

Inconsistent, immature and not coach able. Need veteran leadership at Guard.

Just wondering, who are you calling non coachable in that group?

TD. May be non coach able was too harsh, but low IQ and prone to making bad plays.

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

martin wrote:

loweyecue wrote:This will be a heck of a front court and Grant Hill would have made us great. We need outside shooters, don't think we have any on this team with CB gone.

TD, Fields, Shawne Williams.

Inconsistent, immature and not coach able. Need veteran leadership at Guard.

Just wondering, who are you calling non coachable in that group?

TD. May be non coach able was too harsh, but low IQ and prone to making bad plays.

And did Shawne even except the deal? It was said that he had better offers elsewhere.

crzymdups wrote:KBergCBS Ken Berger
On Knicks-Chandler front, sources say it looks like Billups will be amnestied and Turiaf will be sent out in separate deal. No sign/trade.
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A shame, but I do think Dallas are cutting their nose off to spite their face- if they're losing chandler, why not trade him for Billups and Turiaf- it gives them a great pg to take the burden off Kidd (who is old!) and some depth at PF/C to replace chandler, and both contracts end this year so it doesn't disrupt their plans for next offseason. But hey, they'd rather get nothing- okay...

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:KBergCBS Ken Berger
On Knicks-Chandler front, sources say it looks like Billups will be amnestied and Turiaf will be sent out in separate deal. No sign/trade.
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A shame, but I do think Dallas are cutting their nose off to spite their face- if they're losing chandler, why not trade him for Billups and Turiaf- it gives them a great pg to take the burden off Kidd (who is old!) and some depth at PF/C to replace chandler, and both contracts end this year so it doesn't disrupt their plans for next offseason. But hey, they'd rather get nothing- okay...

I think you can't do sign and trades in the new CBA

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

crzymdups wrote:KBergCBS Ken Berger
On Knicks-Chandler front, sources say it looks like Billups will be amnestied and Turiaf will be sent out in separate deal. No sign/trade.
37 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

A shame, but I do think Dallas are cutting their nose off to spite their face- if they're losing chandler, why not trade him for Billups and Turiaf- it gives them a great pg to take the burden off Kidd (who is old!) and some depth at PF/C to replace chandler, and both contracts end this year so it doesn't disrupt their plans for next offseason. But hey, they'd rather get nothing- okay...

I think you can't do sign and trades in the new CBA

what? I don't think your understanding is correct.

AnubisADL wrote:You can do S&T's with teams over the cap for for the first 2 years of this CBA.

Bonn1997 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:You can do S&T's with teams over the cap for for the first 2 years of this CBA.

And then the S & T option goes away?

With teams over the cap it goes away. You basically can only S&T if you have the cap space to absorb the player.

He also realizes a repeat is unlikley anyway.

He has Haywood on the roster.

Why does he need to pay billups 14 mil even if for one year? To back up Kidd? TO replace Barea?

To do us a favor?

Cube knows he needs to reload and get someone to put next to Dirk and eventually replace.

There are some good restricted players next year. He might have to go deep to get one.

Still can't remember the last time a team and a player were so public about agreeing to terms before the team had the space to accommodate the signing.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id...

Would be a waste of Amnesty for us!

Denver for Andre Miller would make most sense!

I feel this is vital

umynot wrote:Can't see us cutting Billups

Would be a waste of Amnesty for us!

Denver for Andre Miller would make most sense!

I feel this is vital

What are people not getting about this deal? To create cap room for Tyson Chandler, cutting Billups IS THE ONLY WAY.

Tyson Chandler is on his way to New York in a complicated deal that will give the Knicks a major defensive boost while leaving them with a gaping hole at point guard.

Chandler is expected to sign with the Knicks on Friday afternoon when the N.B.A. officially reopens for business, according to a person involved in the talks. To make room for Chandler under the salary cap, the Knicks will waive point guard Chauncey Billups and trade center Ronny Turiaf.

“It will be finished today,” the person involved in the talks said.

Chandler is flying to New York and could be in the gymnasium when the Knicks open training camp at 3 p.m. in Greenburgh, N.Y.

The precise terms of Chandler’s deal will depend on how much cap room the Knicks can clear, but it is expected to be in the range of $58 million over four years, with a starting salary in excess of $13 million.

Chandler, 29, averaged 10.1 points, 9.4 rebounds and 1.1 blocks last season for Dallas, helping the Mavericks win their first N.B.A. championship in June. At 7 feet 1 inch, 235 pounds, Chandler provides interior defense that the Knicks have been missing since Patrick Ewing’s departure a decade ago. He will join Carmelo Anthony and Amar’e Stoudemire in perhaps the most formidable frontcourt in the league.

Billups will be waived under the N.B.A.’s new amnesty provision, which means he will be paid his full $14.2 million but his salary will be removed from the cap. By unloading Billups, trading Turiaf (probably for a draft pick) and a few minor moves, the Knicks will create the cap room needed for Chandler.

As an amnesty cut, Billups will be subject to a new waiver system in which any team with cap room can place a bid, up to his $14.2 million salary. The team with the highest bid would get Billups and pay the bid amount, with the rest of the salary paid by the Knicks. If no team with cap room places a bid, then Billups would become an unrestricted free agent. The Knicks cannot re-sign him.

That chain of decisions leaves the Knicks without a proven hand at point guard. Toney Douglas, who is more of a combination guard, can play the position in spurts, but the Knicks will be shopping for a new starter.

umynot wrote:Can't see us cutting Billups

Would be a waste of Amnesty for us!

Denver for Andre Miller would make most sense!

I feel this is vital

They can't do that because then there isn't enough room to sign Tyson. The whole point in amnesty'ing Billups is to create cap space.

eViL wrote:Chandler confirms he's coming to the Knicks: http://espn.go.com/dallas/

Still can't remember the last time a team and a player were so public about agreeing to terms before the team had the space to accommodate the signing.

I think the Knicks know they can move Turiaf and know they can amnesty Billups, so it's basically a formality. I feel like it does happen in free agency a lot in that week where guys can't actually sign with a team but can talk to them.

i think that's what happening here, since the flood gates to legally conduct transactions doesn't open until 2 or 3pm today or something.

i'm hoping chandler is in camp by tonight or tomorrow.