Knicks · Orlando filing tampering charges (page 1)

One team is probably the Lakers... are we the other?

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/12/09/magic...

The Orlando Magic are contemplating filing tampering charges against two unnamed NBA teams for illegal contact with its franchise center, Dwight Howard, according to a league source.

The Magic believe at least one of the teams have had contact with Howard -- who reportedly wants to be traded -- as recently as Thursday. If the team substantiates that belief, it will immediately file charges with the league, the source said.

Howard has not publicly indicated that he wants to be dealt, and privately, the communications between Howard, his agent, Dan Fegan, and the Magic have produced mixed signals. At points, Howard indicates he might want to stay with the Magic, who have become a championship contender on his watch -- only the Lakers and Celtics have won more regular season and playoff games over the last four years. But at other points, he indicates dissatisfaction with the makeup of the team. Orlando has had a contract extension on the table for Howard for some time, but he has -- like other star players in recent years -- not signed it.

ESPN reported early Friday that Howard will request to be traded to the New Jersey Nets. The source indicated that as of Friday morning, neither Howard nor his representatives had made such a request. NBA training camps opened Friday.

A trade to New Jersey would pair Howard with All-Star guard Deron Williams -- who, like Howard, is expected to opt out of the final year of his contract, not sign the extension offer on the table from New Jersey and become a free agent. In both cases, opting out is the financially smart move. Under the rules of the just-ratified new collective bargaining agreement, taking an extension on the existing contract could cost both players more than $25 million; signing a new deal after becoming a free agent would be worth more than $100 million.

The Magic, the source said, will not allow a repeat of the Shaquille O'Neal departure from Orlando to Los Angeles in 1996, when O'Neal walked as a free agent and the Magic were left with nothing. If the organization ultimately decides it has no choice but to trade Howard, it will do so. But the Magic will decide where he goes. The source said a reported proposed package by the Nets of center Brook Lopez and Draft picks for Howard is not at all interesting to the Magic.
The Magic, the source said, will not let Howard dictate the terms of where he wants to go.
"This will not be another Shaq situation," the source said. The Magic will "do what's in the best interests of the organization" and will not be left with nothing.
The Howard developments come a day after the NBA nixed a potential trade of four-time All-Star guard Chris Paul from the Hornets to the Lakers in a three-team deal that would have sent forward Pau Gasol to the Rockets and forward Lamar Odom to New Orleans. The Hornets would have received forward Luis Scola, guards Kevin Martin and Goran Dragic and a 2012 first-round pick from Houston.

A source directly involved in those talks said Friday morning that the Hornets were not planning to appeal the nixing of the deal, as ESPN reported Friday. Rather, the Hornets will try to see if sweetening the current deal in some way would make it more acceptable to the league, which currently owns the Hornets while it seeks a permanent owner who will keep the team in New Orleans. The Hornets also have several other possible deals on the table for Paul, and could go forward with one of those if teams involved in those deals make enhancements to their offers, the source said.
New Orleans' management, the source said, is determined to make a deal for Paul, who reportedly was not going to show up for the first day of the Hornets' camp. Like Orlando, the Hornets will not allow Paul to play out the final year of his deal, become a free agent next summer and leave with the team getting nothing in return.

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There is nothing more devastating than the reports that Prokhorov and Billy King secretly met with Dwight Howard on Thursday. The Nets, if found guilty, will be nailed with a tampering charge. Boom.

what are the chances its the Nets.....please be the Nets. I'd love to see David Stern put the major smackdown on Proky.

it was being reported an hour ago that it is the Nets and Houston

What's the penalty for tampering?

Killa4luv wrote:What's the penalty for tampering?

not sure. picks?

Wouldn't be surprised if a deal to the Nets is largely in place the the Magic granted the Nets access to Howard. The tampering charges (considering? why only considering?) are a cover to keep it all on the DL.

this is going to be an epic fail for NJ.

1) the league will forbid Howard from signing with
2) NJ will have to forfiet multiple draft picks. Minn lost 6 first rounders in the Joe Smith fiasco (later reduced to 3).

Wow... how stupid can you be to meet with another team's player?

I hope didn't actually contact Dwight, maybe our players, maybe even Isiah.
Our only way of acquiring Dwight is talking to their GM, by taking back Gilbert's contract then amnesty him.
We also probably have to part with Melo or Stat, might take a 3rd team to take them and get Orlando draft pick's, young players, and let them go under the cap.
But if we amnesty Billup's I don't see how we can offer any package greater than what the Lakers can offer.
However, Tyson Chandler, was never really mentioned as our targets, we aren't sure if this might have something to do with it. We just switched gears and targeted
Chandler out of left field...

With all these all star's looking to pair each other up, it would suck if we are one of the small market teams. It greatly hurt's these smaller franchise's.
In the end, the NBA is a business, their aren't enough "all stars" to team up with 2 especially even 3 or more in one team. It looks more and more that this teaming up
from Miami's big 3, is the start of the end of these smaller teams. Orlando tried to add and spend money to keep Dwight happy and contending. However, they made a horrible
mistake in Gilbert and it looks like that one move will kill their franchise for many years...

RonRon wrote:With all these all star's looking to pair each other up, it would suck if we are one of the small market teams. It greatly hurt's these smaller franchise's.
In the end, the NBA is a business, their aren't enough "all stars" to team up with 2 especially even 3 or more in one team. It looks more and more that this teaming up
from Miami's big 3, is the start of the end of these smaller teams. Orlando tried to add and spend money to keep Dwight happy and contending. However, they made a horrible
mistake in Gilbert and it looks like that one move will kill their franchise for many years...

small market teams were bought for a lot less then big market teams are worth. Everyone knows the score. Knicks have more resources as well as more cost. Its just part of the game.

eViL wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:What's the penalty for tampering?

not sure. picks?

I expect it will give Stern an excuse to block this trade, saying that they violated the rules and do a Joe Smith/Minnesota on them minus all those draft picks. Blocking Howard to them IF they tampered is the only logical and correct thing to do. Anything else is rewarding them.

RonRon wrote:I hope didn't actually contact Dwight, maybe our players, maybe even Isiah.
Our only way of acquiring Dwight is talking to their GM, by taking back Gilbert's contract then amnesty him.
We also probably have to part with Melo or Stat, might take a 3rd team to take them and get Orlando draft pick's, young players, and let them go under the cap.
But if we amnesty Billup's I don't see how we can offer any package greater than what the Lakers can offer.
However, Tyson Chandler, was never really mentioned as our targets, we aren't sure if this might have something to do with it. We just switched gears and targeted
Chandler out of left field...

since Isiah is not actually employed by the Knicks, him reaching out to Howard would not be a violation. Now, please lets remove that name from this boards lexicon

DurzoBlint wrote:

eViL wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:What's the penalty for tampering?

not sure. picks?

I expect it will give Stern an excuse to block this trade, saying that they violated the rules and do a Joe Smith/Minnesota on them minus all those draft picks. Blocking Howard to them IF they tampered is the only logical and correct thing to do. Anything else is rewarding them.

but that can also have the effect of diminishing the offers Orlando gets and forcing them to give up Dwight for less, or worse, nothing.

eViL wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

eViL wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:What's the penalty for tampering?

not sure. picks?

I expect it will give Stern an excuse to block this trade, saying that they violated the rules and do a Joe Smith/Minnesota on them minus all those draft picks. Blocking Howard to them IF they tampered is the only logical and correct thing to do. Anything else is rewarding them.

but that can also have the effect of diminishing the offers Orlando gets and forcing them to give up Dwight for less, or worse, nothing.

^I don't understand why we care because it's not like we were getting him and as long as he doesn't go to the Nets I am happy. I'd be happier if he went to the west so we wouldn't have to see him that many times.

Does that mean DWILL would want to leave if NJ get in trouble for this.......Would that but Dwil back on the market

none of the teams we have to worry about (Mia, Bos, Chi) can acquire him so if he can't go to the Nets, its a mega win win. Who really wants to see Prok succeed??

League is a gotdamn mess today.

DurzoBlint wrote:

eViL wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:

eViL wrote:

Killa4luv wrote:What's the penalty for tampering?

not sure. picks?

I expect it will give Stern an excuse to block this trade, saying that they violated the rules and do a Joe Smith/Minnesota on them minus all those draft picks. Blocking Howard to them IF they tampered is the only logical and correct thing to do. Anything else is rewarding them.

but that can also have the effect of diminishing the offers Orlando gets and forcing them to give up Dwight for less, or worse, nothing.

^I don't understand why we care because it's not like we were getting him and as long as he doesn't go to the Nets I am happy. I'd be happier if he went to the west so we wouldn't have to see him that many times.

it's not about why we care. we wouldn't be the ones implementing the punishment. the league is. and i think the league would look silly if they punished the Nets AND Orlando for the Nets' tampering by blocking a trade.

i honestly wouldn't mind it if we had a real blood rivalry with the cross-town brooklyn nets. so long as we always come out on top in the end that is. haha...

Nalod wrote:
League is a gotdamn mess today.

the owners fucking HATE each other. it's kinda awesome.

eViL wrote:

Nalod wrote:
League is a gotdamn mess today.

the owners fucking HATE each other. it's kinda awesome.