Knicks · 35 3's at 28 percent (page 1)

That is knicks basketball - the 90's knicks are nautious and so am I.

Living and dying with the 3 is putrid. I will however give credit to the defense which has started to show signs of monumental improvement.

STAT coming back will help our offense immensely and hurt our defense immensely.

Yeah I don't like that Chandler, one of the better, and probably the best offensive rebounder in the league can't take advantage because the long rebounds off of our 3's

It's all that's left when you don't have PG penetration and ball distribution. Guys have the ball in situations they're not used to and they go brain numb and take the 3 cuz it's the easiest thing to do! Think about it. Who on this team is really capable of creating their own shot? We need a PG to set things up and be the brain on the floor. We've got guys who can hit open shots and finish at the rim, but they aren't gonna create their own shots.

Still there were just some HORRID shots being taken and they needed to attack the basket more. Just hard to do with the guys we have healthy. We knew this would be an issue but all we could do is hope for the best. Now we have to wait for Amar'e, Shump and B Diddy to get healthy. Should get guys back soon.

nixluva wrote:It's all that's left when you don't have PG penetration and ball distribution. Guys have the ball in situations they're not used to and they go brain numb and take the 3 cuz it's the easiest thing to do! Think about it. Who on this team is really capable of creating their own shot? We need a PG to set things up and be the brain on the floor. We've got guys who can hit open shots and finish at the rim, but they aren't gonna create their own shots.

Still there were just some HORRID shots being taken and they needed to attack the basket more. Just hard to do with the guys we have healthy. We knew this would be an issue but all we could do is hope for the best. Now we have to wait for Amar'e, Shump and B Diddy to get healthy. Should get guys back soon.

So any team that do not have good PG's just shoot 35 3's as an antecdote? C'mon that won't fly.

The way this team is put together, we are in desperate need of a philosophy change I.E a new coach. We dont have any pure 3 point shooters in the regular rotation yet the 3 seems to be the core of the offense. It doesn't make sense. As a coach, shouldn't you recognize the pieces and design an offense that fits? I understand MDA likes to spread, kick and shoot the 3 but this team isn't built for that.

Physically, we have a rugged front line, yet they all hang out at the 3 point line...Harrelson, Anthony and Stat should be playing bully-ball, yet we let the defense off the hook by jacking up 23 footers. Makes no sense. This team needs a new coach ASAP....

I totally agree. Give them an offense and they will be so much better. Right now this will net 30 wins tops. needs to take his basketball theory to the minor leagues.

Uptown wrote:The way this team is put together, we are in desperate need of a philosophy change I.E a new coach. We dont have any pure 3 point shooters in the regular rotation yet the 3 seems to be the core of the offense. It doesn't make sense. As a coach, shouldn't you recognize the pieces and design an offense that fits? I understand MDA likes to spread, kick and shoot the 3 but this team isn't built for that.

Physically, we have a rugged front line, yet they all hang out at the 3 point line...Harrelson, Anthony and Stat should be playing bully ball, yet we let the defense of the hook by jacking up 23 footers. Makes no sense. This team needs a new coach ASAP....

100% correct no pure 3pt shooters in the rotation yet we shoot 35 of them. That is on the coach. Can you imagine what would happen if we shot 35 threes with Riley, JVG, Phil Jax coaching

shame cos Garden was rocking like the old days. too bad style of play is totally reversed

At least the defense showed up in the second half - best Ive seen in years

Why is that everyone just assumes that the idea is to just hoist 3's? The fact that the players decided to take bad 3's doesn't mean that is the offense. Sometimes I wonder if any of you guys have ever watched any of the games that the Suns used to play or any of the games this team has played when they were truly playing the system!!! The offense isn't to take a million 3's just cuz you can. The shots we hit tended to be the GOOD 3's, meaning the ball went inside 1st and when that was overplayed by the defense then the ball went back out and they hit the shot.

BAD 3's are not what this offense is about. This offense was always about the PnR and good early offense off pushing the ball. For that you have to have at least a decent PG like Felton was. He's never been a great PG, but he was just good enough to actually run the offense. That's what we don't have now. You can't underestimate the impact of having BAD PG play verses even decent levels of PG play like Calderon gave the Raptors. He's not that good, but he was steady and did just enough to help his team. So far TD has actually HURT the team more than he's helped and that's not gonna work. TD has to play well for this team to get into it's rhythm.

If you doubt it then tell me who is gonna drive the ball on this team rather than take a bad shot? who has the kind of game where they can dribble drive and pull up for the midrange? Only guy left is Melo and the D is gonna key on him. that leaves almost no one that is healthy with that kind of talent. The 2 key players we need are Shump and B Diddy. Both are capable of breaking down the D and getting into the teeth of the D. More important we need B Diddy's decision making with the ball. Until then TD has to play smarter more consistently and setup his teammates.

nixluva wrote:Why is that everyone just assumes that the idea is to just hoist 3's? The fact that the players decided to take bad 3's doesn't mean that is the offense. Sometimes I wonder if any of you guys have ever watched any of the games that the Suns used to play or any of the games this team has played when they were truly playing the system!!! The offense isn't to take a million 3's just cuz you can. The shots we hit tended to be the GOOD 3's, meaning the ball went inside 1st and when that was overplayed by the defense then the ball went back out and they hit the shot.

BAD 3's are not what this offense is about. This offense was always about the PnR and good early offense off pushing the ball. For that you have to have at least a decent PG like Felton was. He's never been a great PG, but he was just good enough to actually run the offense. That's what we don't have now. You can't underestimate the impact of having BAD PG play verses even decent levels of PG play like Calderon gave the Raptors. He's not that good, but he was steady and did just enough to help his team. So far TD has actually HURT the team more than he's helped and that's not gonna work. TD has to play well for this team to get into it's rhythm.

If you doubt it then tell me who is gonna drive the ball on this team rather than take a bad shot? who has the kind of game where they can dribble drive and pull up for the midrange? Only guy left is Melo and the D is gonna key on him. that leaves almost no one that is healthy with that kind of talent. The 2 key players we need are Shump and B Diddy. Both are capable of breaking down the D and getting into the teeth of the D. More important we need B Diddy's decision making with the ball. Until then TD has to play smarter more consistently and setup his teammates.

nixluva wrote:Why is that everyone just assumes that the idea is to just hoist 3's? The fact that the players decided to take bad 3's doesn't mean that is the offense. Sometimes I wonder if any of you guys have ever watched any of the games that the Suns used to play or any of the games this team has played when they were truly playing the system!!! The offense isn't to take a million 3's just cuz you can. The shots we hit tended to be the GOOD 3's, meaning the ball went inside 1st and when that was overplayed by the defense then the ball went back out and they hit the shot.

BAD 3's are not what this offense is about. This offense was always about the PnR and good early offense off pushing the ball. For that you have to have at least a decent PG like Felton was. He's never been a great PG, but he was just good enough to actually run the offense. That's what we don't have now. You can't underestimate the impact of having BAD PG play verses even decent levels of PG play like Calderon gave the Raptors. He's not that good, but he was steady and did just enough to help his team. So far TD has actually HURT the team more than he's helped and that's not gonna work. TD has to play well for this team to get into it's rhythm.

If you doubt it then tell me who is gonna drive the ball on this team rather than take a bad shot? who has the kind of game where they can dribble drive and pull up for the midrange? Only guy left is Melo and the D is gonna key on him. that leaves almost no one that is healthy with that kind of talent. The 2 key players we need are Shump and B Diddy. Both are capable of breaking down the D and getting into the teeth of the D. More important we need B Diddy's decision making with the ball. Until then TD has to play smarter more consistently and setup his teammates.

Some good points but I believe this is a system problem. It was a problem with Felton and its a problem now.

Come on nixluva..dantoni has been here for 4 years now and every roster he has had has hoisted up 3s...even had Zach Randolph shooting 3s and now amare? I really hope baron Davis on his own increases post opportunities. U have melo one of the best post up sf in the NBA and he never gets it deep post

F U Childs2Dudley!!! If you have something to actually refute in my post then do it! Don't post stupid videos and offer nothing in the way of facts to refute my posts. If you know so much how about you explain to me the details and finer points of the offense. Do you know the plays? Can U detail what they're doing wrong?

It's not the system, it's the execution that's the problem. But you're a genius so break it down and explain to us exactly why SSOL has been a consistently high efficiency offense in PHX and even here in NY despite the fact that we haven't had great PG's all the time? All you need is even a DECENT PG and it works. Right now TD is playing awful PG and Bibby can't offer anything beyond spot minutes.

This team was 2nd in scoring last year and 7th in offensive efficiency with all that went on with the new roster and Felton trying to learn the system and the trade drama and CB stumbling to learn the system and STILL the team was top ten in offense.

What it shows is that once we had a half decent PG the team was able to play very well offensively. It took Felton a month to get the hang of it and CB never fully got it. TD is still at the struggling stage and may never get it, but it's still too early to say. Duhon struggled in year one as well. It's sad that we've had to start over and over at the one key spot for this team but that's how it is. This team really needed a good and consistent floor leader for a couple of years but we just haven't had that.

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:The way this team is put together, we are in desperate need of a philosophy change I.E a new coach. We dont have any pure 3 point shooters in the regular rotation yet the 3 seems to be the core of the offense. It doesn't make sense. As a coach, shouldn't you recognize the pieces and design an offense that fits? I understand MDA likes to spread, kick and shoot the 3 but this team isn't built for that.

Physically, we have a rugged front line, yet they all hang out at the 3 point line...Harrelson, Anthony and Stat should be playing bully ball, yet we let the defense of the hook by jacking up 23 footers. Makes no sense. This team needs a new coach ASAP....

100% correct no pure 3pt shooters in the rotation yet we shoot 35 of them. That is on the coach. Can you imagine what would happen if we shot 35 threes with Riley, JVG, Phil Jax coaching

I totally agree. 35 threes? I only got to watch the fourth quarter because I have time warner and finally found a temporary solution. I didn't realize the team shot 35 threes. Unbelievable.

We have no guard dribble penetration. Melo is the only one who can get in the paint.

That's still no excuse for hoisting up 35 3's. There's a thing called off-the-ball movement which we simply do not do enough of. Pick and roll, isolation, or jacking up a 3-pt shot are not the only 3 plays in basketball. Where are the backdoor cuts, post play, off-the-ball screens to free up a midrange shooter and curl plays? In fact, this team and this system hardly EVER sets off-the-ball screens. We only set a pick for the ball-handler, but our ballhandlers suck.

How about this, only shoot 3's if the ball was passed at least 4 times that possession?

ramtour420 wrote:How about this, only shoot 3's if the ball was passed at least 4 times that possession?

Great! You actually think TD can count to 4?

Childs2Dudley wrote:

Awesome. The other video of the offensive guru that needs to be made is the, "Do what you do" coming out of time out.

CrushAlot wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

Awesome. The other video of the offensive guru that needs to be made is the, "Do what you do" coming out of time out.

lol i saw the post game interview