Knicks · Mike is clearly out of it... Time for both parties to move on. (page 2)
Olbrannon wrote:nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:I think when Amare was the lone alpha dog he kept the guys focused and listening to D'Antoni. I don't know that Melo every truly embraced. D'Antoni seems to have the most success when his best player is in his corner, communicating his message in the lockerroom and on the floor. I think the team is Melo's now and I don't think he is going to do that for D'antoni.
WTF are you talking about? Amar'e is still here and he's still a team leader. Moreover it's really the PG that is the coach on the floor and minus even a DECENT level of PG this team will struggle. None of these guys respect TD. Why should they? He's just a kid that clearly doesn't know what he's doing and has never done it. Players won't respect a guy like that and if B. Diddy gets back that would change. There's a respect level for him that TD just doesn't have.Exactly! Melo and Amar'e are both Alphas...not a simple dynamic there. TD has shown the ability to run the plays. Notice the low turnover ratio. Being the guy to run those dogs on a leash is no easy task not even for an experienced point. Let alone someone who barely got off the bench as a point the first season. Melo at least seems to be trying to be cohesive and not demanding until the fourth. They looked good at times.
If I got paid like Stat I believe I would try to stay in front of/on my man a bit better. Don't and you'll soon hear the boos as well.
Bibby should not see the floor. Hopefully he is to be a coach or something for the youngun's
The only way Toney Douglas can run the plays is if the shot clock is changed to an hourglass.
Damn a turnover ratio. Does he makes the guys around him better, or worse?
jrodmc wrote:Great, so reality is now players dictating who the coach should be. But then why not, they're so maddeningly intelligent, they should probably also decide who the owners are, the refs, which fans should be let in the arena, what type of hot dogs to serve, team colors...
would make sense if there was a coach out there worthy of this group. Phil Jackson is a pipe dream and even IF he'd consider coaching, it would not be mid season.
Nalod wrote:about 75% of the 'basketball' discussing around here is based on similar 'facts'CrushAlot wrote:I think when Amare was the lone alpha dog he kept the guys focused and listening to D'Antoni. I don't know that Melo every truly embraced. D'Antoni seems to have the most success when his best player is in his corner, communicating his message in the lockerroom and on the floor. I think the team is Melo's now and I don't think he is going to do that for D'antoni.Where do you come up with this?
You ever been to a practice? In the locker room? Or blind hate for MDA and fabricated ideas to promote it?
You can hate MDA all you want, just keep it relevant.
It gets old. Its funny how this guy has become the favorite to hate.
Although fabricated as crush's post may be how is that a negative for MDA? Isnt it an attack on Melo? He's basically saying Melo is quitting on the coach and looking to take players with him. Ouch.
Maybe we should just watch 10 games or so before figuring everything out about this new (again) team.
DurzoBlint wrote:jrodmc wrote:Great, so reality is now players dictating who the coach should be. But then why not, they're so maddeningly intelligent, they should probably also decide who the owners are, the refs, which fans should be let in the arena, what type of hot dogs to serve, team colors...would make sense if there was a coach out there worthy of this group. Phil Jackson is a pipe dream and even IF he'd consider coaching, it would not be mid season.
If the team will stay above 50% Mike will be around all season...
If the things will get rocky or one of the 3 will go down for a long stretch Woodson will take over interim.
This group needs another type of coach... This is so obvious it's not even funny.
Mike already had to drop SSOL, spread offense, and 3-point bonanza. What is left from his system?
He was always bad with handling star players who demand the ball. So what the use?
You see signs that confirm that MDA is on the way out. I don't agree that your signs settle anything. Mike continues to have an opportunity to mold a very talented bunch of guys into a winning basketball team. At the end of the season, Amare and Melo will likely have the leverage to either bring Mike back, or have Dolan let him go.
Mike continues to have a fair chance to build a winning team. If he succeeds, and his superstars feel they are getting closer to winning a championship, he is likely to stay. If Melo and Amare are not on board with MDA, then that is a sign that his being let go is nearby. Reading that Mike's lack of enthusiasm after a tough win against the Bobcats proves he is resigned to leaving the Knicks, could simply mean that he was exhausted, couldn't it.
From the Book 7 Seconds or Less:
Here are the principles of the “7 seconds of less” offense:
1. There are good shots and better shots.
2. It takes only one second to make an extra pass to the player
who is more wide-open and better prepared to release his shot in
rhythm.
3. We want an open shot most of the time.
4. This offense has several plays that are very similar, but each
has a slight variation. You should always receive an open shot
with these sets.
5. You play offense before the defense can get set, that is the
value of the up-tempo game.
6. If you play fast then you will be a low-turnover team and not
high-turnover team. If you don’t throw too many passes then you
can’t throw it away as much.
“Coaching is at one level, the art of repeating and almost
doing the same thing over and over so it doesn’t look or sound
like the same thing.”
It isn’t all X’s and O’s:
1. You must get the players to have undying self-confidence in
what they are running and how they will tire down their opponent.
2. It is D’Antoni’s belief that coaches must devise a game plan
that they know and that they know everything about what their
opponent will do. Players don’t have to know everything. It slows
them down.
Melo resists staying in the offense, but he has been making strides in the new role MDA has given him. His assists are up and his PER is up. Melo is thriving. If not for the grueling schedule, he'd have fresher legs and his FG% would be higher. Also look at the Knicks bench and how they're up and cheering. This is a happy group.
You've lost your team, and you've lost the city.
This team has the players that are capable of playing defense, and yet they're 23rd in opp fg%.
Take your stupid pace to another town.
Nalod wrote:Did you copy Martin's earlier posts when he asked me about attending practice? I haven't been to practice or in the locker room. How about you? If I quote someone or relate a personal experience I will try to make it easy for you to understand. If I am sharing my opinion based on what I have observed, heard or read, I will write things like, "I think" or, "in my opinion'. If you need clarification just ask.CrushAlot wrote:I think when Amare was the lone alpha dog he kept the guys focused and listening to D'Antoni. I don't know that Melo every truly embraced. D'Antoni seems to have the most success when his best player is in his corner, communicating his message in the lockerroom and on the floor. I think the team is Melo's now and I don't think he is going to do that for D'antoni.Where do you come up with this?
You ever been to a practice? In the locker room? Or blind hate for MDA and fabricated ideas to promote it?
You can hate MDA all you want, just keep it relevant.
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Move on already, Mike.You've lost your team, and you've lost the city.
This team has the players that are capable of playing defense, and yet they're 23rd in opp fg%.
Take your stupid pace to another town.
Knicks are GREATLY improved on defense!!!
Opp PTS/G: 95.3 (18th of 30)
Pace: 93.5 (5th of 30)
Off Rtg: 103.2 (15th of 30) ▪
Def Rtg: 102.0 (15th of 30)
nixluva wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Move on already, Mike.You've lost your team, and you've lost the city.
This team has the players that are capable of playing defense, and yet they're 23rd in opp fg%.
Take your stupid pace to another town.
Knicks are GREATLY improved on defense!!!Opp PTS/G: 95.3 (18th of 30)
Pace: 93.5 (5th of 30)
Off Rtg: 103.2 (15th of 30) ▪
Def Rtg: 102.0 (15th of 30)
Stop. Please.
I can't tell who you were criticizing with this post. Were you wondering why I said he needed the approval of Melo and Amare?
What I was trying to ask was for people to stop announcing that MDA clearly needs to leave now. The question of who is next year's coach needs to wait until we see how the team ends the season. Melo does need to buy into MDA's system and its not clear that he has done that yet. That does seem to me to be the unanswered question mark.
CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:Did you copy Martin's earlier posts when he asked me about attending practice? I haven't been to practice or in the locker room. How about you? If I quote someone or relate a personal experience I will try to make it easy for you to understand. If I am sharing my opinion based on what I have observed, heard or read, I will write things like, "I think" or, "in my opinion'. If you need clarification just ask.CrushAlot wrote:I think when Amare was the lone alpha dog he kept the guys focused and listening to D'Antoni. I don't know that Melo every truly embraced. D'Antoni seems to have the most success when his best player is in his corner, communicating his message in the lockerroom and on the floor. I think the team is Melo's now and I don't think he is going to do that for D'antoni.Where do you come up with this?
You ever been to a practice? In the locker room? Or blind hate for MDA and fabricated ideas to promote it?
You can hate MDA all you want, just keep it relevant.
the thing is, you are coming up with theories, opinions, whatever that are based on nothing and could only really be based on what you see or hear in practice. Otherwise it's just you spewing caca, which is in turn read as blind hate for MDA.
martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:Did you copy Martin's earlier posts when he asked me about attending practice? I haven't been to practice or in the locker room. How about you? If I quote someone or relate a personal experience I will try to make it easy for you to understand. If I am sharing my opinion based on what I have observed, heard or read, I will write things like, "I think" or, "in my opinion'. If you need clarification just ask.CrushAlot wrote:I think when Amare was the lone alpha dog he kept the guys focused and listening to D'Antoni. I don't know that Melo every truly embraced. D'Antoni seems to have the most success when his best player is in his corner, communicating his message in the lockerroom and on the floor. I think the team is Melo's now and I don't think he is going to do that for D'antoni.Where do you come up with this?
You ever been to a practice? In the locker room? Or blind hate for MDA and fabricated ideas to promote it?
You can hate MDA all you want, just keep it relevant.
the thing is, you are coming up with theories, opinions, whatever that are based on nothing and could only really be based on what you see or hear in practice. Otherwise it's just you spewing caca, which is in turn read as blind hate for MDA.
not only that, but everything seems to point to the fact that this team is all on the same page and supports the coach. baron davis has said it's one of the best environments he's ever been in. tyson chandler seems thrilled to be here. melo is having the best statistical season of his career. he seems locked in... especially compared to how he started in denver last year. seems like one of the more baseless criticisms of d'antoni.
if anything, i think MDA has checked out on talking to the media. which, given their hunger for scandal and back page quotes, is kind of understandable.
martin wrote:As long as we are clear that you and I and Nalod are not insiders that attend practice or are in the lockerroom I am good. Also, you have posted that you don't need 'sources' or to quote others and that your opinions and observations are enough to defend your point of view. If someone can't write their opinion on a sports forum then I think there is something wrong.CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:Did you copy Martin's earlier posts when he asked me about attending practice? I haven't been to practice or in the locker room. How about you? If I quote someone or relate a personal experience I will try to make it easy for you to understand. If I am sharing my opinion based on what I have observed, heard or read, I will write things like, "I think" or, "in my opinion'. If you need clarification just ask.CrushAlot wrote:I think when Amare was the lone alpha dog he kept the guys focused and listening to D'Antoni. I don't know that Melo every truly embraced. D'Antoni seems to have the most success when his best player is in his corner, communicating his message in the lockerroom and on the floor. I think the team is Melo's now and I don't think he is going to do that for D'antoni.Where do you come up with this?
You ever been to a practice? In the locker room? Or blind hate for MDA and fabricated ideas to promote it?
You can hate MDA all you want, just keep it relevant.
the thing is, you are coming up with theories, opinions, whatever that are based on nothing and could only really be based on what you see or hear in practice. Otherwise it's just you spewing caca, which is in turn read as blind hate for MDA.
crzymdups wrote:The team was 2-4 when the original post was written and had just lost to the Raptors and the Bobcats. I am not going to deny that I am a fan that reacts or state that I am an insider.martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:Did you copy Martin's earlier posts when he asked me about attending practice? I haven't been to practice or in the locker room. How about you? If I quote someone or relate a personal experience I will try to make it easy for you to understand. If I am sharing my opinion based on what I have observed, heard or read, I will write things like, "I think" or, "in my opinion'. If you need clarification just ask.CrushAlot wrote:I think when Amare was the lone alpha dog he kept the guys focused and listening to D'Antoni. I don't know that Melo every truly embraced. D'Antoni seems to have the most success when his best player is in his corner, communicating his message in the lockerroom and on the floor. I think the team is Melo's now and I don't think he is going to do that for D'antoni.Where do you come up with this?
You ever been to a practice? In the locker room? Or blind hate for MDA and fabricated ideas to promote it?
You can hate MDA all you want, just keep it relevant.
the thing is, you are coming up with theories, opinions, whatever that are based on nothing and could only really be based on what you see or hear in practice. Otherwise it's just you spewing caca, which is in turn read as blind hate for MDA.
not only that, but everything seems to point to the fact that this team is all on the same page and supports the coach. baron davis has said it's one of the best environments he's ever been in. tyson chandler seems thrilled to be here. melo is having the best statistical season of his career. he seems locked in... especially compared to how he started in denver last year. seems like one of the more baseless criticisms of d'antoni.
if anything, i think MDA has checked out on talking to the media. which, given their hunger for scandal and back page quotes, is kind of understandable.
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:As long as we are clear that you and I and Nalod are not insiders that attend practice or are in the lockerroom I am good. Also, you have posted that you don't need 'sources' or to quote others and that your opinions and observations are enough to defend your point of view. If someone can't write their opinion on a sports forum then I think there is something wrong.CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:Did you copy Martin's earlier posts when he asked me about attending practice? I haven't been to practice or in the locker room. How about you? If I quote someone or relate a personal experience I will try to make it easy for you to understand. If I am sharing my opinion based on what I have observed, heard or read, I will write things like, "I think" or, "in my opinion'. If you need clarification just ask.CrushAlot wrote:I think when Amare was the lone alpha dog he kept the guys focused and listening to D'Antoni. I don't know that Melo every truly embraced. D'Antoni seems to have the most success when his best player is in his corner, communicating his message in the lockerroom and on the floor. I think the team is Melo's now and I don't think he is going to do that for D'antoni.Where do you come up with this?
You ever been to a practice? In the locker room? Or blind hate for MDA and fabricated ideas to promote it?
You can hate MDA all you want, just keep it relevant.
the thing is, you are coming up with theories, opinions, whatever that are based on nothing and could only really be based on what you see or hear in practice. Otherwise it's just you spewing caca, which is in turn read as blind hate for MDA.
here's the thing: your opinions aren't even based off of anything fathomable, and therein lies the difference.
In some instances sources aren't necessary, like this: Chandler is a leader for the Knicks. You can see it and feel it without having anyone to tell you. The stuff you are trying to eek out is not that way.
martin wrote:We have been through this before. When I post quotes from some players or some writers you also claim they are wack @ss. I agree that we are on different sides of the fence about the coach. I don't post things without a reason or a basis for my opinion. In the past when I have backed up my opinions with quotes or articles you have labeled them not credible even if they are guys that you 'respect'. I read and watch as much as I can about the Knicks, basketball and this coach. I don't make things up and I am not trying to drum things up about the coach. I also said it was my opinion when I first responded to Nalod.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:As long as we are clear that you and I and Nalod are not insiders that attend practice or are in the lockerroom I am good. Also, you have posted that you don't need 'sources' or to quote others and that your opinions and observations are enough to defend your point of view. If someone can't write their opinion on a sports forum then I think there is something wrong.CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:Did you copy Martin's earlier posts when he asked me about attending practice? I haven't been to practice or in the locker room. How about you? If I quote someone or relate a personal experience I will try to make it easy for you to understand. If I am sharing my opinion based on what I have observed, heard or read, I will write things like, "I think" or, "in my opinion'. If you need clarification just ask.CrushAlot wrote:I think when Amare was the lone alpha dog he kept the guys focused and listening to D'Antoni. I don't know that Melo every truly embraced. D'Antoni seems to have the most success when his best player is in his corner, communicating his message in the lockerroom and on the floor. I think the team is Melo's now and I don't think he is going to do that for D'antoni.Where do you come up with this?
You ever been to a practice? In the locker room? Or blind hate for MDA and fabricated ideas to promote it?
You can hate MDA all you want, just keep it relevant.
the thing is, you are coming up with theories, opinions, whatever that are based on nothing and could only really be based on what you see or hear in practice. Otherwise it's just you spewing caca, which is in turn read as blind hate for MDA.
here's the thing: your opinions aren't even based off of anything fathomable, and therein lies the difference.
In some instances sources aren't necessary, like this: Chandler is a leader for the Knicks. You can see it and feel it without having anyone to tell you. The stuff you are trying to eek out is not that way.
JrZyHuStLa wrote:nixluva wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Move on already, Mike.You've lost your team, and you've lost the city.
This team has the players that are capable of playing defense, and yet they're 23rd in opp fg%.
Take your stupid pace to another town.
Knicks are GREATLY improved on defense!!!Opp PTS/G: 95.3 (18th of 30)
Pace: 93.5 (5th of 30)
Off Rtg: 103.2 (15th of 30) ▪
Def Rtg: 102.0 (15th of 30)Stop. Please.
You want me to stop? Why? You know it's one thing to just spout crap with no proof and yet another to actually back up your position. You have an OPINION, but it's not supported by FACT. My statement was supported by facts.
Since MDA has been here an likely many years before that, this team hasn't been 18th in pts allowed and 15 in defensive efficiency rating. That's a huge improvement for this team. Sure the competition hasn't been stellar, but they've made some improvements non the less.
Normally the offensive efficiency rating is top 5, but so far the team has struggled on offense. That will change. When it does, if they are improved on D, that will be a lethal combination and lead to wins.
nixluva wrote:agree... So when the Knicks are actually defending haters will have to find something else.JrZyHuStLa wrote:nixluva wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Move on already, Mike.You've lost your team, and you've lost the city.
This team has the players that are capable of playing defense, and yet they're 23rd in opp fg%.
Take your stupid pace to another town.
Knicks are GREATLY improved on defense!!!Opp PTS/G: 95.3 (18th of 30)
Pace: 93.5 (5th of 30)
Off Rtg: 103.2 (15th of 30) ▪
Def Rtg: 102.0 (15th of 30)Stop. Please.
You want me to stop? Why? You know it's one thing to just spout crap with no proof and yet another to actually back up your position. You have an OPINION, but it's not supported by FACT. My statement was supported by facts.
Since MDA has been here an likely many years before that, this team hasn't been 18th in pts allowed and 15 in defensive efficiency rating. That's a huge improvement for this team. Sure the competition hasn't been stellar, but they've made some improvements non the less.
Normally the offensive efficiency rating is top 5, but so far the team has struggled on offense. That will change. When it does, if they are improved on D, that will be a lethal combination and lead to wins.
CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:We have been through this before. When I post quotes from some players or some writers you also claim they are wack @ss. I agree that we are on different sides of the fence about the coach. I don't post things without a reason or a basis for my opinion. In the past when I have backed up my opinions with quotes or articles you have labeled them not credible even if they are guys that you 'respect'. I read and watch as much as I can about the Knicks, basketball and this coach. I don't make things up and I am not trying to drum things up about the coach. I also said it was my opinion when I first responded to Nalod.CrushAlot wrote:martin wrote:As long as we are clear that you and I and Nalod are not insiders that attend practice or are in the lockerroom I am good. Also, you have posted that you don't need 'sources' or to quote others and that your opinions and observations are enough to defend your point of view. If someone can't write their opinion on a sports forum then I think there is something wrong.CrushAlot wrote:Nalod wrote:Did you copy Martin's earlier posts when he asked me about attending practice? I haven't been to practice or in the locker room. How about you? If I quote someone or relate a personal experience I will try to make it easy for you to understand. If I am sharing my opinion based on what I have observed, heard or read, I will write things like, "I think" or, "in my opinion'. If you need clarification just ask.CrushAlot wrote:I think when Amare was the lone alpha dog he kept the guys focused and listening to D'Antoni. I don't know that Melo every truly embraced. D'Antoni seems to have the most success when his best player is in his corner, communicating his message in the lockerroom and on the floor. I think the team is Melo's now and I don't think he is going to do that for D'antoni.Where do you come up with this?
You ever been to a practice? In the locker room? Or blind hate for MDA and fabricated ideas to promote it?
You can hate MDA all you want, just keep it relevant.
the thing is, you are coming up with theories, opinions, whatever that are based on nothing and could only really be based on what you see or hear in practice. Otherwise it's just you spewing caca, which is in turn read as blind hate for MDA.
here's the thing: your opinions aren't even based off of anything fathomable, and therein lies the difference.
In some instances sources aren't necessary, like this: Chandler is a leader for the Knicks. You can see it and feel it without having anyone to tell you. The stuff you are trying to eek out is not that way.
crush, i enjoy your posts dude. we don't agree much, but i enjoy your contribution on this forum. i although do agree with martin and nalod on the fact that alot of times when i see you posting things which relate to d'antoni, there never seems to be any backing up. or maybe you'll rely on a quote from amar'e in phoenix in 2007 and apply it to today, or something like that. honestly to me, it just seems like you dislike d'antoni and don't really have any interest in being fair towards him.
just sayin - that's the way it appears when reading your posts in regards to him.
it's kinda like nixluva. love the dude. he's as passionate of a fan as you're going to find. you can never ever ever ever question his allegiance to this team. but with that he is never ever ever ever partial when it comes to the knicks. i know to expect that when reading his posts.