MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:FoeDiddy wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:FoeDiddy wrote:I like our team now...can we have a 2 year period of a consistent team already..I'm tired of the they need time to gel phase. The Team we have now can be very dangerous..lets improve our role players and bench and sit back.
I'm just saying you don't pass up a shot at Dwight.
I would say what you are saying about dealing for Melo, but for Dwight it's a different story. He is in a different zipcode.
Eh..I'm not a fan of his game. He is great but don't mind not having him on our team. Going against him I like our chances with Amare and Tyson on our front line against him.
Tyson would give him some nuisance but if I like the Knicks against Magic it's because Magic has a rec league team around Dwight. Put Melo on Magic and watch the monsoon rains fall, flood the NBA.
I'm not necessarily a fan of his game, for example I think an NBA player should shoot 80% free throws no questions asked, but I do see that he is dominant in a way that Amar'e could never be.
And Vice Versa..When Amar'e is on he can be just as dominant in a different way and we already a center beside him that covers his weaknesses. I like Amare/Tyson better then Dwight. Then you know the Magic are gonna try to get as much as possible for Dwight so they'll ask for Shump...that's a given. We need to stop playing fantasy basketball and start building the character of this team which is Bully Clutch Players. Dwight is far from clutch.
Dwight's already taken a sack of potatoes to the NBA Finals. When will Amar'e carry a sack of potatoes?
What's Orlando looking at? Jersey, Los Angeles, and New York? Or letting him walk?
Brook Lopez is broken and he's not all that special. Bynum is a bigger risk than Amar'e and Dwight would be going to play with an aging Kobe. In New York Dwight comes to a Melo that still hasn't peaked and the Magic are getting a terrific combo in Tyson and Amar'e.
Yea we'll take an albatross in Turkeyglue, but what's he got, three years? You squeeze him two seasons for his laser vision and passing then you trade him as a fat expiring in the third, take on something that can win now. That's a championship within three years, if not sooner because Melo and Dwight could get you there quick without the Turkey dump.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Dwight's already taken a sack of potatoes to the NBA Finals. When will Amar'e carry a sack of potatoes? What's Orlando looking at? Jersey, Los Angeles, and New York? Or letting him walk?
Brook Lopez is broken and he's not all that special. Bynum is a bigger risk than Amar'e and Dwight would be going to play with an aging Kobe. In New York Dwight comes to a Melo that still hasn't peaked and the Magic are getting a terrific combo in Tyson and Amar'e.
Yea we'll take an albatross in Turkeyglue, but what's he got, three years? You squeeze him two seasons for his laser vision and passing then you trade him as a fat expiring in the third, take on something that can win now. That's a championship within three years, if not sooner because Melo and Dwight could get you there quick without the Turkey dump.
Last year to the playoffs? And in PHO he carried the team for about half the year.
If I'm LA I'd keep Bynum. This guy is playing great right now. Your risking depleting your roster when you have the 2nd best center in the NBA behind the guy they would be trading for. Similar Numbers. 18/15. So what team has the best package? We offer Amare/Fields/TD + Cash money?
If LA really wants Howard I think Bynum and fill in players might be the best offer on the table. After that it leaves us being the 2nd best offer.
martin wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Dwight's already taken a sack of potatoes to the NBA Finals. When will Amar'e carry a sack of potatoes? What's Orlando looking at? Jersey, Los Angeles, and New York? Or letting him walk?
Brook Lopez is broken and he's not all that special. Bynum is a bigger risk than Amar'e and Dwight would be going to play with an aging Kobe. In New York Dwight comes to a Melo that still hasn't peaked and the Magic are getting a terrific combo in Tyson and Amar'e.
Yea we'll take an albatross in Turkeyglue, but what's he got, three years? You squeeze him two seasons for his laser vision and passing then you trade him as a fat expiring in the third, take on something that can win now. That's a championship within three years, if not sooner because Melo and Dwight could get you there quick without the Turkey dump.
Last year to the playoffs? And in PHO he carried the team for about half the year.
But to the Finals? Yea, he carried, and he can carry, but New York was 42-40 and were swept in the First Round.
Phoenix still holds that 54 win season and Conference Finals appearance with Amar'e playing just three games.
Love Amar'e, great dude, terrific player, I'll always be a fan.
But this is the pecking order, he has to understand. Howard is in a different zipcode; Amar'e can't move there.
I will say this for as great a player Amare is he does take a lot of crazy forced 1 on 1 shots from the perimeter with the team not set to rebound which leads to fastbreaks for the other team
Amare was the one that announced "The Knicks are Back" and he backed up that claim. He even holds the Knicks record for most consecutive 30 point games (Eight Games all Victories). Amare was arguably the MVP of the league the first half of last season. He was the major reason players like Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul would even consider the Big Apple. And playoffs...forget about it, it's not even close:
Dwight Howard
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Amare Stoudemire
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Amare beasts in the playoffs unlike Dwight. Did you not see Amare posterize KG and Baby in the Celtics series before he got hurt. You might want to ask Tim Duncan about Amare...Dude absolutely annihilated the Spurs over the years minus a Robert Horry shove to Steve Nash in the WCF.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Dwight's already taken a sack of potatoes to the NBA Finals. When will Amar'e carry a sack of potatoes? What's Orlando looking at? Jersey, Los Angeles, and New York? Or letting him walk?
Brook Lopez is broken and he's not all that special. Bynum is a bigger risk than Amar'e and Dwight would be going to play with an aging Kobe. In New York Dwight comes to a Melo that still hasn't peaked and the Magic are getting a terrific combo in Tyson and Amar'e.
Yea we'll take an albatross in Turkeyglue, but what's he got, three years? You squeeze him two seasons for his laser vision and passing then you trade him as a fat expiring in the third, take on something that can win now. That's a championship within three years, if not sooner because Melo and Dwight could get you there quick without the Turkey dump.
And that term Carried is overstated. Hedo play'd a key role in taking that team to the Finals when the EAST was WEAK!! What happened the year after when Hedo left? Dwight needs lots of help around him because he is not naturally a great offensive player. He's no Shaq, Hakeem or Kareem. End of games you are not giving him the rock and clearing the way.
When Amare was carrying the team it was in a different way. Game winners, Imposing his Offensive talent on the outcome of the game. Something Dwight can only dream of.
Now Dwight Defensively is a monster and Amare can never see that. But I like the hopes of Amare elevating his defensive output in a 7 game series over Dwight elevating his offensive output in a 7 game series.
ChuckBuck wrote:Amare was the one that announced "The Knicks are Back" and he backed up that claim. He even holds the Knicks record for most consecutive 30 point games (Eight Games all Victories). Amare was arguably the MVP of the league the first half of last season. He was the major reason players like Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul would even consider the Big Apple. And playoffs...forget about it, it's not even close:Dwight Howard
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Amare Stoudemire
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Amare beasts in the playoffs unlike Dwight. Did you not see Amare posterize KG and Baby in the Celtics series before he got hurt. You might want to ask Tim Duncan about Amare...Dude absolutely annihilated the Spurs over the years minus a Robert Horry shove to Steve Nash in the WCF.
People really underestimate or forget how dominant Amare is in the playoffs. Against top notch talent.
Go look at some of those games Dwight had heading to finals and in finals. Don't even come close. His Team really performed to help him get there. Hedo, Rashard Lewis, and Skip to my Lou. they were playing lights out.
ChuckBuck wrote:FoeDiddy wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:Amare was the one that announced "The Knicks are Back" and he backed up that claim. He even holds the Knicks record for most consecutive 30 point games (Eight Games all Victories). Amare was arguably the MVP of the league the first half of last season. He was the major reason players like Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul would even consider the Big Apple. And playoffs...forget about it, it's not even close:Dwight Howard
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Amare Stoudemire
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play...
Amare beasts in the playoffs unlike Dwight. Did you not see Amare posterize KG and Baby in the Celtics series before he got hurt. You might want to ask Tim Duncan about Amare...Dude absolutely annihilated the Spurs over the years minus a Robert Horry shove to Steve Nash in the WCF.
People really underestimate or forget how dominant Amare is in the playoffs. Against top notch talent.
Go look at some of those games Dwight had heading to finals and in finals. Don't even come close. His Team really performed to help him get there. Hedo, Rashard Lewis, and Skip to my Lou. they were playing lights out.
Michael Pietrus LOL
Man a lot of that roster still eating good off them performances. I think That's the year before Dwight went to get Hakeem lessons cause his post game was so bad.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Dwight's already taken a sack of potatoes to the NBA Finals. When will Amar'e carry a sack of potatoes? What's Orlando looking at? Jersey, Los Angeles, and New York? Or letting him walk?
Brook Lopez is broken and he's not all that special. Bynum is a bigger risk than Amar'e and Dwight would be going to play with an aging Kobe. In New York Dwight comes to a Melo that still hasn't peaked and the Magic are getting a terrific combo in Tyson and Amar'e.
Yea we'll take an albatross in Turkeyglue, but what's he got, three years? You squeeze him two seasons for his laser vision and passing then you trade him as a fat expiring in the third, take on something that can win now. That's a championship within three years, if not sooner because Melo and Dwight could get you there quick without the Turkey dump.
man Amare was a Robert Horry foul away from going to the finals. Dwight had Hedo playing out of his mind and the big stiff in Washington was looking like a player. They had a hell of a team, not the SACK OF POTATOES you mentioned.
We get you love Dwight but lets not make stuff up or, if that was too harsh, lets not make that team into some scrub squad when it was far from it.
Yeah Dwight is the superior player yet, beyond that one year, when is the last time they even went to the conference finals??? If he is so great, lightning would have struck more than once. Since that one season, they haven't gone deep even with your superman in residence.
Melo and Hedo with Dwight.
No thanks.
I know the alure of a big star young and in his prime is blinding to the reality of the roster left by a starphuch trade.
I still think Tyson/Amare is better than Dwight/Hedo.
Given Amare's uninsured contract I'd say this is almost a non factor unless Slow Jimmy does something really stupid. Again.
Don't trade Shump.
I would love Dwight Howard but Iman should be an untouchable. But I would prefer adding DH in the summer, that is why I would rather trade Amare for KG/Allen if possible.
They are both FA's, also I am not sure if DH and Chandler can coexist together, and Dantoni probably wouldnt be an ideal coach if we have both players.
I love how Amare showed leadership and help rebuild this franchise. However, using the amnesty on Billups, really bothers me. I expect Amare to have a big drop off in his production within his contract here and we still have to worry about a season ending injury with his knee and body build. His game is all about jumping ability. Its just scary to have Tyson Chandler and Amare as our PF and Center at their ages and history. With all our cap tied up to 3 players, while they aren't in decline yet, they are at the age where it can happen within a couple years or a big injury at any time. It's hard to obtain good talent with our cap situation aside from the MLE and no more draft picks...
Dwight Howard is not only the best center by far but the most durable one with his body build as well. All centers are almost injury prone because of their games, constantly banging, and physical plays. KG's intensity of defense would be multiplied with Chandler and Iman. While I wouldn't look to sign him to a max 5 year deal, he would still be a great player for another 2-3 years at probably 10m per year. That is less than half of what Amare would be making, leaving his more cap to sign another player. Ray Allen is having a great start so far as he is working hard to sell an extension to a GM for 2 years at his age. If we still had our amnesty clause to use, I probably wouldnt be looking to deal Amare. But we might not get another chance as this could be his best year to sell him at a high value in return...
RonRon wrote:I would love Dwight Howard but Iman should be an untouchable. But I would prefer adding DH in the summer, that is why I would rather trade Amare for KG/Allen if possible.
They are both FA's, also I am not sure if DH and Chandler can coexist together, and Dantoni probably wouldnt be an ideal coach if we have both players.
I love how Amare showed leadership and help rebuild this franchise. However, using the amnesty on Billups, really bothers me. I expect Amare to have a big drop off in his production within his contract here and we still have to worry about a season ending injury with his knee and body build. His game is all about jumping ability. Its just scary to have Tyson Chandler and Amare as our PF and Center at their ages and history. With all our cap tied up to 3 players, while they aren't in decline yet, they are at the age where it can happen within a couple years or a big injury at any time. It's hard to obtain good talent with our cap situation aside from the MLE and no more draft picks...Dwight Howard is not only the best center by far but the most durable one with his body build as well. All centers are almost injury prone because of their games, constantly banging, and physical plays. KG's intensity of defense would be multiplied with Chandler and Iman. While I wouldn't look to sign him to a max 5 year deal, he would still be a great player for another 2-3 years at probably 10m per year. That is less than half of what Amare would be making, leaving his more cap to sign another player. Ray Allen is having a great start so far as he is working hard to sell an extension to a GM for 2 years at his age. If we still had our amnesty clause to use, I probably wouldnt be looking to deal Amare. But we might not get another chance as this could be his best year to sell him at a high value in return...
I stopped reading after KG/Allen.
RonRon wrote:I would love Dwight Howard but Iman should be an untouchable. But I would prefer adding DH in the summer, that is why I would rather trade Amare for KG/Allen if possible.
They are both FA's, also I am not sure if DH and Chandler can coexist together, and Dantoni probably wouldnt be an ideal coach if we have both players.
I love how Amare showed leadership and help rebuild this franchise. However, using the amnesty on Billups, really bothers me. I expect Amare to have a big drop off in his production within his contract here and we still have to worry about a season ending injury with his knee and body build. His game is all about jumping ability. Its just scary to have Tyson Chandler and Amare as our PF and Center at their ages and history. With all our cap tied up to 3 players, while they aren't in decline yet, they are at the age where it can happen within a couple years or a big injury at any time. It's hard to obtain good talent with our cap situation aside from the MLE and no more draft picks...Dwight Howard is not only the best center by far but the most durable one with his body build as well. All centers are almost injury prone because of their games, constantly banging, and physical plays. KG's intensity of defense would be multiplied with Chandler and Iman. While I wouldn't look to sign him to a max 5 year deal, he would still be a great player for another 2-3 years at probably 10m per year. That is less than half of what Amare would be making, leaving his more cap to sign another player. Ray Allen is having a great start so far as he is working hard to sell an extension to a GM for 2 years at his age. If we still had our amnesty clause to use, I probably wouldnt be looking to deal Amare. But we might not get another chance as this could be his best year to sell him at a high value in return...
You lost me at "I would love"........
I'm just confused about the blind faith on this board.
Hollinger says he believes Indy and Philly will finish with better records than the Knicks and everyone loses there mind. I hear bull shit about a shortened season and give it time. We have had the easiest schedule of any team in the entire league and are barely above .500 and have had to rely on 37 twice from Melo.
Howard is the best defensive player in the entire league by a wide margin. Chandler highly overated.
CashMoney wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Nalod wrote:Dwights demands on Orlando made them make short term upgrades that have backfired on them Reminds me of the Ewing holding knicks hostage back in the day. Orlando is now depleated as a contender.If Dwight is serious, he has to go free agent not in a trade. A trade depletes who he goes to.
I'd like to see him in Brooklyn. Sorry Net Haters, I'd like a strong rivalry. Brings the best out of both teams!
This is how Melo depleted the Knicks.
If we did it once, let's do it again! For Howard, it would not be so bad; I don't think Amar'e and Tyson is too much to give.
STAT and Chandler for Howard is not too much??? 
This team is better with STAT and Chandler then it would be with Howard.
We give up two positions of strength (4&5) to make an upgrade in one position (5). That's not smart business. We need to cease the starphucking and get ready for war. We have a contender in the making, let's not blow it again. Dwight is a great player, superior to Chandler for sure...but not by as much as everyone seems to think. We have all the star power we need. Now we need our 1 and we are ready for the ECF for a few years.
Keep Stat and Chandler, get us that point we need and let's get ready to rumble.
And absolutely no way in hell do we part with Shump. The kid shows he is a playa, in every sense of the word. HUGE upside, most def. untouchable.
Let's get our PG with 2MM, a reliable shooter for 1MM, backup depth in the frontcourt for 1MM.
I hope everyone realizes this teams success is predicated on Baron Davis. A team with two superstars and a center that isn't far behind dwight howard.
our weakness is NOT in the front court. Its the back-court, needing a true point (which Barron might be able to able to hold down) and a real 2guard.
Imam may one day grow into that spot but for now we are starving for a 2guard in the worst way.
