While I think the Amar'e trade calls are way too early, I am reaching the point where I do think we need to start thinking about Fields future with this team. He's been playing poorly for almost a year now- you can blame Melo all you like, but if a player can't adjust to playing with a new team mate after this many games, then I think it falls on the player themselves. Plus Melo isn't going anywhere.
As Fields is up for a new contract at the end of this season, it really is time to start thinking about whether we should look to move him- if this low scoring, low rebounding, poor shooting Landry Fields is here to stay, is it worth keeping him? or does he still bring intangibles that don't show up on the score sheet? And what is his value right now- would other teams still see him as last years player, or has he ruined that value with his play since the Melo trade.
Or do we wait til BD gets back, and give Fields one last chance to redeem himself playing with a PG?
In a system with Ball Movement Fields looked really nice. The problem is he is at an all time low. You don't trade then unless another team believes he has value. The good part is (if management thinks he is indeed good), he won't get offered much and we can match anything, so we can sign him cheap.
Once Baron gets going, perhaps Fields turns things around a bit.
Field needs to play better defense and hit his pen shots...His role has adjusted and he hasn't kept up...If we trade him, I would like to see us bring in a back up PG who can run the team behind BD...We trade Fields only to fill a need...Don't trade him for the sake of trading him...I would also like to see Fields start...I think pushing Shump and giving him the star treatment is a mistake by MDA...No way Shump sits out garbage minutes against Memphis along with STAT...Start Fields and let Shump earn the starting spot...I think MDA made that mistake with Gallo as well...
holfresh wrote:I think pushing Shump and giving him the star treatment is a mistake by MDA
completely agree. I hate the idea of rewarding his inefficient, low percentage, low assist:high turnover offensive performances with starter's minutes and the rockstar prestige that comes with it. I get that he does some stuff really well, but he is a definite work in progress
SupremeCommander wrote:holfresh wrote:I think pushing Shump and giving him the star treatment is a mistake by MDA
completely agree. I hate the idea of rewarding his inefficient, low percentage, low assist:high turnover offensive performances with starter's minutes and the rockstar prestige that comes with it. I get that he does some stuff really well, but he is a definite work in progress
It's not like their are any other choices.
Bibby can start but huge liability on defense, we need Shumpert's energy to set the tone on defense early.
Lin - Doesn't deserve starter minutes any more than Shunpert
TD - makes me want to puke everytime he starts and we go down by 25.
So between the three at least Shumpert can defend.
Who would you start?
loweyecue wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:holfresh wrote:I think pushing Shump and giving him the star treatment is a mistake by MDA
completely agree. I hate the idea of rewarding his inefficient, low percentage, low assist:high turnover offensive performances with starter's minutes and the rockstar prestige that comes with it. I get that he does some stuff really well, but he is a definite work in progress
It's not like their are any other choices.
Bibby can start but huge liability on defense, we need Shumpert's energy to set the tone on defense early.
Lin - Doesn't deserve starter minutes any more than Shunpert
TD - makes me want to puke everytime he starts and we go down by 25.
So between the three at least Shumpert can defend.
Who would you start?
all the options stink. I would probably go with Bibby, but only with him playing limited minutes.
I'd try to offer TD, filler, and $3 million to Cleveland for Ramon Sessions and to Orlando for Chris Duhon and Milwaukee for Shaun Livingston and Minnesota for Luke Ridnour and any team that has a cheap point. But I would either pray or drug the other GM first before making the offer
I think he looks shook like a little squirrel. Guy is playing scared, he's lost. He thrived last year as the bargain basement option, but this year he is asked to be an NBA baller and he is struggling with this role. He can be a strong player in the league but this will take some time.
The short answer is YES.
Too bad.
There is very little in Landry's game right now
that convinces me that he more than an 8th man on a good team.
He belongs on the second unit as an energy/glue guy
spelling time for a starting SG and SF.
He deserves no more than 20 minutes/game.....perhaps less.
Frankly, he belongs on a team like the Nuggets
with their motion, depth, and constant energy that they bring.
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:The short answer is YES.Too bad.
There is very little in Landry's game right now
that convinces me that he more than an 8th man on a good team.
He belongs on the second unit as an energy/glue guy
spelling time for a starting SG and SF.
He deserves no more than 20 minutes/game.....perhaps less.
Frankly, he belongs on a team like the Nuggets
with their motion, depth, and constant energy that they bring.
Hindsight being 20/20 
Move Landry w/ Gallo and Felton and now you have 3 of our starters when Fields value is at it's highest. Maybe you keep Mozgov and/or a pick in that deal. In which case they'd have been more likely to keep Billups and saved themselves the amnesty clause.
Way too many people are putting faith into
"once Baron Davis returns".....
there is absolutely no guarantee that he will be our savior.
I ain't buying that type of thinking.
Ever hear of Murphy's law?
Sadly, we have no plausible contingency plan if BD fails or gets reinjured.
That is exactly why we have to be proactive NOW and look to trade AMARE for a good young capable PG,
and some combination of the following: PF, cap space, and draft picks. Get on the phone, Glen.
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Way too many people are putting faith into
"once Baron Davis returns".....
there is absolutely no guarantee that he will be our savior.
I ain't buying that type of thinking. Ever hear of Murphy's law?
Sadly, we have no plausible contingency plan if BD fails or gets reinjured.
That is exactly why we have to be proactive NOW and look to trade AMARE for a good young capable PG,
a some combination of the following: PF, cap space, and draft picks. Get on the phone, Glen.
Its not a good idea to get too excited about Baron....
But its OK to say Landry fields needs this and that in order to be good and its Me Los fault he is shit this year.....
And its OK to say trade Amare for a bag of weed and a vanilla dutchmaster
Just speakinnbg in general towards the comments on this board. We are in disaray...I don't even care if i spelled that right
Olbrannon wrote:KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:The short answer is YES.Too bad.
There is very little in Landry's game right now
that convinces me that he more than an 8th man on a good team.
He belongs on the second unit as an energy/glue guy
spelling time for a starting SG and SF.
He deserves no more than 20 minutes/game.....perhaps less.
Frankly, he belongs on a team like the Nuggets
with their motion, depth, and constant energy that they bring.
Hindsight being 20/20 Move Landry w/ Gallo and Felton and now you have 3 of our starters when Fields value is at it's highest. Maybe you keep Mozgov and/or a pick in that deal. In which case they'd have been more likely to keep Billups and saved themselves the amnesty clause.
Personally, I'd still rather have Chandler over Mosgov and Billups.
IMO, using the amnesty clause the way we did was brilliant.
Tyson is a proven center who is hard working and has a blue collar ethic.
He has been as advertised defensively and better than expected on offense.
Mosgov is a back up center and Billups is a fossil waiting to happen.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I think he looks shook like a little squirrel. Guy is playing scared, he's lost. He thrived last year as the bargain basement option, but this year he is asked to be an NBA baller and he is struggling with this role. He can be a strong player in the league but this will take some time.
Thats my issue with him- people say it's the style we're playing since the Melo played, but the fact is he looks like a scared, broken man out there- whenever he recieves the ball and is open, he automatically pump fakes, then looks to pass. If he can't pass he either shoots a brick, or puts it on the floor and turns it over. He fumbles passes, dunks, lay ups- he doesn't make any effort to rebound anymore- he just seems to spend the whole game running away from the ball or passing it when that fails. It's his attitude and loss of belief in himself thats holding him back, and it's been so long, I doubt that is going to improve without a change in scenery.
At the start of the season he said the number one thing he'd been working on was his mental approach to the game- ha! it clearly hasn't worked. it's a shame, because the old Landry fields would be just what we needed on this team.
