His first foul against the Magic was in the first minute and a half of action. From that point I knew we were in trouble. D'Antoni didn't take him out early, allowing him to pick up his second first quarter foul.
His fourth foul occurred 30 seconds into the second half, on a wideopen dunk for Dwight Howard (AND-1).
Amare might be the dumbest all-star talent in the league.
Not to mention the most one-dimensional. He doesn't know how to use his gifted scoring to create. He's a poor rebounder for his position. His defense is worse than Harrelson's.
Is offensive finishing really worth him compromising every other aspect of basketball for the team?
Amare "defending" a pick and roll is an automatic switch. That's unless Amare stays with his big man and lets the guard get to the basket with no resistance.
He has looked a little lost yes
why not throw in a F U Amare thread at this point
but no way we trade him already. We shouldn't be focusing on finding a scapegoat, but rather be focusing on solutions to getting them to play close to their potential.
Amare didn't look good at the beginning of last season until Felton got in shape and learned how to run pick-n-roll with Stat. Lets get a pg/playmaker for Amare to play with before we give up on Stat.
We're already seeing that throwing 100 mil uninsured dollars on an aging player with a lot of wear and tear did not make sense for a 29 win team that needed long-term rebuilding.
gunsnewing wrote:why not throw in a F U Amare thread at this point
disagree! you are wrong about everything. disagree!!!!!
I think he wants to be "the man" but Melo is clearly the better player.
If he wants to the man we can oblige him. I'd even trade him straight up for Gasol who is 2 years older.
AnubisADL wrote:I think he wants to be "the man" but Melo is clearly the better player.If he wants to the man we can oblige him. I'd even trade him straight up for Gasol who is 2 years older.
+1 Gasol and derek fisher. That way no one complains about Gasol needing a pointguard. Fisher being Gasol's point guard winning rings together.
On another note. News to but all super stars require a point guard... oh okay. sorry.
I'm not liking what I see so far from Stat this season. For example, he's leading the league in technicals (with Chandler and Melo also in top 8).
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-s...
They all need to back off on the T's, NY is the worst in the league right now, but especially Stat. Sometimes he just doesn't know when to let it go and it hurts the team. Especially when Stat stops playing and argues with the ref while the game is in process.
We need a post player in the worst way, if things don't improve with Davis then I hope they make a move. Wouldn't mind the Knicks making a run at Kevin Love.
No F.U. yet, more like "WTF Amar'e?"
Last season Amare made every player around him better, this year everyone is struggling but Melo..HMMM
Not to mention MDA change his entire playbook for Melo, or dummy it down..How come the core of players that started the season last year are playing pooly and inconsistant this yr in basically the same system.
Some of you guy's clearly don't take the time to look at every thing thats happening on the floor..Amare has no room to operate, the PnR is hardly ever run right with him, he doesn't look comfortable at all, not with melo, or tyson..
Not sure why MDA hasn't played Jorts and Amare more without tyson and Melo on the floor..IMO the two best line ups
Jorts Tyson
Amare Jorts
Bill/ melo
Fields shrump
Bibby TD
Not sure how you juggle it, but that seems like the best chemistry
You can start Amare, then rest him early, have him play his bulk of minutes with the bench..I know someone started a thread about having Amare coming off the bench, which is crazy, but he needs to play with the bench more cause those guys around him spread the floor and PASS THE BALL..Jorts needs to be the first guy off the bench for real..
knicks1248 wrote:Last season Amare made every player around him better, this year everyone is struggling but Melo..HMMMNot to mention MDA change his entire playbook for Melo, or dummy it down..How come the core of players that started the season last year are playing pooly and inconsistant this yr in basically the same system.
Some of you guy's clearly don't take the time to look at every thing thats happening on the floor..Amare has no room to operate, the PnR is hardly ever run right with him, he doesn't look comfortable at all, not with melo, or tyson..
Not sure why MDA hasn't played Jorts and Amare more without tyson and Melo on the floor..IMO the two best line ups
Jorts Tyson
Amare Jorts
Bill/ melo
Fields shrump
Bibby TD
Not sure how you juggle it, but that seems like the best chemistry
You can start Amare, then rest him early, have him play his bulk of minutes with the bench..I know someone started a thread about having Amare coming off the bench, which is crazy, but he needs to play with the bench more cause those guys around him spread the floor and PASS THE BALL..Jorts needs to be the first guy off the bench for real..
Dude Amare struggled with melo out. 6 pts and 10 pts... Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
With out melo we look like a bad team. with melo we can sorta keep up. How many times do we bench melo and let amare play and we have to bring melo back in to score?
I'll repost this here:
When are ya'll going to jump on Amare for playing like garbage?
The guy isn't a superstar. Superstars don't disappear so easily on offense and superstars don't play like crap on offense because they don't have a point guard. Superstars don't let their man, any man, abuse them on offense repeatedly. Amare can't rebound or defend and that means he is completely worthless right now. If he's not scoring he provides nothing to the team. He's a low IQ basketball player more interested in STATS (*cough*) than wins.
STATomire, to me, is a disgrace. Just because he took our 5 year, max offer and gave us 41 wins doesn't make him some sort of franchise legend who doesn't deserve criticism. I think the fact we actually weren't awful last year masked the fact he still didn't play defense or rebound consistently. now that we actually expect to be a great team we can clearly see how this guy is simply not a star player and not a player that represents NY. He can have all the swagger he wants but he slinks away like a scared kitten whenever drives on him. He talks ish when he dunks on someone and thinks he's tough. That's not tough. Tough is playing defense, hard fouling, rebounding, playing with passion every game.
I hate Kevin Garnett. He's a huge douche but he's 10 times the player Amare is, even now. He plays his ass of every game and plays it the right way. When your best player is playing like a straight up biatch the rest of your team will follow. We have two guys who aren't leaders trying to be leaders. Changes need to be made and it doesn't end with the coaching staff. Amare needs to be traded this summer if we want any chance of the Carmelo era succeeding here.
And sorry to tell you but Baron Davis ain't coming in here and dropping 10 assists a game and saving the franchise. That myth needs to end right now. We're not a PG away from accomplishing amazing things. We're a coach and a few tough no-bs players away from becoming a great team. We need more leaders, more people who take pride in defense and less SOFT (yes, I'm calling Amare soft) players on this team. I'm sick and tired of seeing the same thing every season. Different players, different coaches, same results.
The trouble with throwing all of our eggs in one basket(something that made me shue off the Knicks for the first time in almost 40 years last year)is if any of the two big eggs crack--this franchise is in deep sht.
knicks1248 wrote:Last season Amare made every player around him better, this year everyone is struggling but Melo..HMMMNot to mention MDA change his entire playbook for Melo, or dummy it down..How come the core of players that started the season last year are playing pooly and inconsistant this yr in basically the same system.
Some of you guy's clearly don't take the time to look at every thing thats happening on the floor..Amare has no room to operate, the PnR is hardly ever run right with him, he doesn't look comfortable at all, not with melo, or tyson..
Not sure why MDA hasn't played Jorts and Amare more without tyson and Melo on the floor..IMO the two best line ups
Jorts Tyson
Amare Jorts
Bill/ melo
Fields shrump
Bibby TD
Not sure how you juggle it, but that seems like the best chemistry
You can start Amare, then rest him early, have him play his bulk of minutes with the bench..I know someone started a thread about having Amare coming off the bench, which is crazy, but he needs to play with the bench more cause those guys around him spread the floor and PASS THE BALL..Jorts needs to be the first guy off the bench for real..
So before it was...
"Amare's best complement is a defense-oriented big man that can rebound and protect the basket. That will make up for Amare's defense. On offense, Amare moves to his natural position at the four, which he will naturally dominate."
Now that he has a real center that clogs the paint (they tend to do that), his iso game (if he ever had one) has gone to sh*t. When will we admit that Amare is a VERY difficult player to build around? Now that we have Tyson and Shumpert, I don't want to settle for being an average defensive team. Hell... we could be good. But right now we are piss-poor and inconsistent. The reason teams are averaging less than 100 points is because most teams are scoring under 100 without an adequate training camp. Also, we are playing at a slower pace. We have almost no transition baskets. Everything we do is halfcourt.
Davis is no Savior. Davis might make this a playoff team, but prepare to be disappointed with an early playoff exit.
If I could trade Amare right now for prime Charles Oakley I would. What you lose in talent you gain in toughness and defense and rebounding. And guess what? At the end of the day, as Carmelo likes to say, defense is going to win you a championship. Amar'e running out of the way any time anyone drives on him will not win us a championship. Amare seems to be mentally weak and cannot handle the pressure when the going gets tough. The going is tough right now and he continues to play like garbage on both ends. Amare is paid superstar money and the Knicks advertise him as one so naturally fans expect him to be one. He isn't, though. If I could trade Amare for Deron I would do it yesterday. I am tired of sticking up for Amare. I was singing his praises for a long time but it's clear to me he plays more for himself than the team.
This team right now is lacking severely in mental toughness. It's not just PG play. The offense wasn't awful today and it has shown flashes of being good. The team just seems to quit during games and it's getting pathetic at this point. They don't play hard for 48 minutes and this is maddening to any fan. I want to see a team leave their hearts on the court every night, even if they're off that game and get blown out. Just play hard. Don't slack off and let guys like Ryan Anderson clown you. This happens way too often for me to overlook it. Baron Davis wont change this part of the game. The team needs to develop that mentality.
If you believe Baron Davis (32 years old, bad back, history of injuries) is coming in here and we're suddenly dominating people I think you're going to be in for a rude awakening. The dynamic of the team will change, sure, but not drastically enough to make this team go from mediocre to elite.
colombian0725 wrote:knicks1248 wrote:Last season Amare made every player around him better, this year everyone is struggling but Melo..HMMMNot to mention MDA change his entire playbook for Melo, or dummy it down..How come the core of players that started the season last year are playing pooly and inconsistant this yr in basically the same system.
Some of you guy's clearly don't take the time to look at every thing thats happening on the floor..Amare has no room to operate, the PnR is hardly ever run right with him, he doesn't look comfortable at all, not with melo, or tyson..
Not sure why MDA hasn't played Jorts and Amare more without tyson and Melo on the floor..IMO the two best line ups
Jorts Tyson
Amare Jorts
Bill/ melo
Fields shrump
Bibby TD
Not sure how you juggle it, but that seems like the best chemistry
You can start Amare, then rest him early, have him play his bulk of minutes with the bench..I know someone started a thread about having Amare coming off the bench, which is crazy, but he needs to play with the bench more cause those guys around him spread the floor and PASS THE BALL..Jorts needs to be the first guy off the bench for real..
Dude Amare struggled with melo out. 6 pts and 10 pts... Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
With out melo we look like a bad team. with melo we can sorta keep up. How many times do we bench melo and let amare play and we have to bring melo back in to score?
Im not trying to make excuse for amare, but guys are missing wide open shots on the perimeter..You see jorts getting those wide open three's, well guess where is man is going to be, lingering in the post..there not even honering his (jorts)shot yet..
There was reason Why Howard wasn't a factor..If our perimeter players start making shots consistantly, you will see Amare back to his normal self..If you get a pg that knows how to run a Pnr and can shoot the 3 ball, you will see amare back to his normal self..when Melo learns how to play off the ball, you will see amare back to his normal self.
knicks1248 - "Last season Amare made every player around him better,..."
Last year the players around him were better players.
BRIGGS wrote:The trouble with throwing all of our eggs in one basket(something that made me shue off the Knicks for the first time in almost 40 years last year)is if any of the two big eggs crack--this franchise is in deep sht.
It's a gamble yes, but one that applies to every team with a player who earns a max contract. You take those chances because you need stars to win, and need to pay them like stars.
