AnubisADL wrote:misterearl wrote:Taking 30 shots, and only making a third of them, is NEVER cool.
Who else would you prefer take the 20 missed shots? Fields, Shumpert, Amare, Chandler?
Seriously our entire team is struggling with their jumper including Melo. Would you prefer Melo sits and lets the wrist heal?
Melo is playing hurt and isn't going to continue to shoot 30% all season.
if he is hurt then it would be highly constructive for him NOT to take 30 shots. His teamates would have more confidence and shoot better if he trusted them a bit more. There is no excuse for all this selfish play and it would be cancerous to any team regardless of their quality of shooters. The funny thing is, they played really cohesive basketball when he sat.
misterearl wrote:The Answer Man, Like Most New Yorkers, Digs The AssistQ. AnubisADL - Who else would you prefer take the 20 missed shots? Fields, Shumpert, Amare, Chandler?
A. You are missing the point entirely. If you are suggesting an offensive pecking order than you need to explain why Toney Douglas gets more attempts than an MVP calibre player.
Do you have something against passing to an open man?
I have something against passing to brick masons. I rather Melo take a contested mid range shot than Shumpert or Fields take a wide open 3-point shot. I like Melo's odds better.
MS wrote:This forum is becoming embarrassing. Defending Melo? The guy sucked all game until 5 minutes left. We played bad because he takes the entire team concept and shits all over it. The team played a great second quarter when they were moving it around. Shooting in triple teams taking contested fadeaways?Blaming the refs? Is that a joke? Gallo was getting guys in the air and being aggressive going to the basket. And mind you he wasn't forcing a shot everytime down the court.
And you don't take chandler over moz 9/10 when moz is making 3MM and chandler is making 13MM especially when chandler has zero offensive game and isn't a top 10 center in this league.
If you take a poll, I guarantee 80% of the posters here do not defend Melo. Not sure what you are reading. Also, Gallo doesnt get anyone in the air, he jerks and snaps his body everytime he drives to the lane as if it was hit in the back by a sniper. Good for him if the refs buy into the flopping...
AnubisADL wrote:misterearl wrote:The Answer Man, Like Most New Yorkers, Digs The AssistQ. AnubisADL - Who else would you prefer take the 20 missed shots? Fields, Shumpert, Amare, Chandler?
A. You are missing the point entirely. If you are suggesting an offensive pecking order than you need to explain why Toney Douglas gets more attempts than an MVP calibre player.
Do you have something against passing to an open man?
I have something against passing to brick masons. I rather Melo take a contested mid range shot than Shumpert or Fields take a wide open 3-point shot. I like Melo's odds better.
Funny how Fields and TD were hitting those wide open 3-point shots before Melo got here.
AnubisADL wrote:misterearl wrote:The Answer Man, Like Most New Yorkers, Digs The AssistQ. AnubisADL - Who else would you prefer take the 20 missed shots? Fields, Shumpert, Amare, Chandler?
A. You are missing the point entirely. If you are suggesting an offensive pecking order than you need to explain why Toney Douglas gets more attempts than an MVP calibre player.
Do you have something against passing to an open man?
I have something against passing to brick masons. I rather Melo take a contested mid range shot than Shumpert or Fields take a wide open 3-point shot. I like Melo's odds better.
Narrow thinking. Both Shumpert and Fields have demonstrated an ability to go strong to the rack. The three pointer is crack, which we all know is wack... and is a false crutch. Layups win games.
Melo not sharing the ball hurts everyone. Basketball is NOT a one-man game.
The truth is this: had the team kept Chauncey Billups, the trade and the team wouldn't look this bad. No offense to Tyson, who has been probably our most consistent player and has really helped, but he simply isn't a Point Guard.
Management thought they were doing a great move for Tyson because Douglas had played starting PG before and he could manage doing it again for a while. That just simply failed worse than they expected and since then we haven't found a way to solve it.
It is unfair to judge a trade based on the teams' performances. One team became pretty deep after the trade and are playing a season that favors deep teams. The other is playing a system run by the PG and have no PG to do it and have too many injuries to have any depth. Its not fair game.
Had we kept Billups, it would've looked different. When we get a PG, it will.
mrKnickShot wrote:AnubisADL wrote:misterearl wrote:Taking 30 shots, and only making a third of them, is NEVER cool.
Who else would you prefer take the 20 missed shots? Fields, Shumpert, Amare, Chandler?
Seriously our entire team is struggling with their jumper including Melo. Would you prefer Melo sits and lets the wrist heal?
Melo is playing hurt and isn't going to continue to shoot 30% all season.
if he is hurt then it would be highly constructive for him NOT to take 30 shots. His teamates would have more confidence and shoot better if he trusted them a bit more. There is no excuse for all this selfish play and it would be cancerous to any team regardless of their quality of shooters. The funny thing is, they played really cohesive basketball when he sat.
Really so trusting his teammate is going to magically make them better shooters.
Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracker...
Please look at the shot chart. Landry Fields made a whopping 2 Jumpers while missing 5. Iman Shumpert made 5 jumpers while missing 7. Harrelson missed all his jumpers.
"Really so trusting his teammate is going to magically make them better shooters."
Yes it will. If he does not have confidence in them, they will not shoot with confidence. There must be a flow to an offense for shooters to knock down their shots and sucks the flow right out of the game.
Suprisingly, Fields was shooting great (check the numbers on that) before Melo got here. Is that just a coincidence? Maybe - but I think not.
AnubisADL wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:AnubisADL wrote:misterearl wrote:Taking 30 shots, and only making a third of them, is NEVER cool.
Who else would you prefer take the 20 missed shots? Fields, Shumpert, Amare, Chandler?
Seriously our entire team is struggling with their jumper including Melo. Would you prefer Melo sits and lets the wrist heal?
Melo is playing hurt and isn't going to continue to shoot 30% all season.
if he is hurt then it would be highly constructive for him NOT to take 30 shots. His teamates would have more confidence and shoot better if he trusted them a bit more. There is no excuse for all this selfish play and it would be cancerous to any team regardless of their quality of shooters. The funny thing is, they played really cohesive basketball when he sat.
Really so trusting his teammate is going to magically make them better shooters.
Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracker...
Please look at the shot chart. Landry Fields made a whopping 2 Jumpers while missing 5. Iman Shumpert made 5 jumpers while missing 7. Harrelson missed all his jumpers.
AnubisADL - stop it. do you REALLY want one player hoisting 30 shots a night?
C'mon son, Stoudemire had 9 attempts from the field. Total. Nine. How can you defend such a blatant disparity with a straight face?
Melo doing the first thing – making double and triple teams coming...
And then the difference between him and REAL superstars showing up.
Kobe will pass the ball to open man every time this man will be open.
Melo cannot be fixed by coach because man cannot grow brain in weight room.
You need intelligent players to win the game.
Galo is professor comparing to Melo.
When you have intelligence, heart, and superior bbal skills you have a superstar.
Melo has superior bbal skills... but this about it.
He is not worst the money and assets we give up for him.
But when idiots like Dolan with Isiah are making decisions this is to be expected.
misterearl wrote:AnubisADL wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:AnubisADL wrote:misterearl wrote:Taking 30 shots, and only making a third of them, is NEVER cool.
Who else would you prefer take the 20 missed shots? Fields, Shumpert, Amare, Chandler?
Seriously our entire team is struggling with their jumper including Melo. Would you prefer Melo sits and lets the wrist heal?
Melo is playing hurt and isn't going to continue to shoot 30% all season.
if he is hurt then it would be highly constructive for him NOT to take 30 shots. His teamates would have more confidence and shoot better if he trusted them a bit more. There is no excuse for all this selfish play and it would be cancerous to any team regardless of their quality of shooters. The funny thing is, they played really cohesive basketball when he sat.
Really so trusting his teammate is going to magically make them better shooters.
Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracker...
Please look at the shot chart. Landry Fields made a whopping 2 Jumpers while missing 5. Iman Shumpert made 5 jumpers while missing 7. Harrelson missed all his jumpers.
AnubisADL - stop it. do you REALLY want one player hoisting 30 shots a night?
C'mon son, Stoudemire had 9 attempts from the field. Total. Nine. How can you defend such a blatant disparity with a straight face?
Who's fault is it that Stat only took 8 shots? Is it the scoring forwards job to get easy shots for his counterpart a forward, or is it the coaches fault for not designing plays for Stat and yanking him out of the pick and roll, his bread and butter. Or is it the pg's fault for not controlling tempo, breaking down the D, getting into the lane and dishing to him? Or is it Stats fault for not being more assertive?
misterearl wrote:AnubisADL wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:AnubisADL wrote:misterearl wrote:Taking 30 shots, and only making a third of them, is NEVER cool.
Who else would you prefer take the 20 missed shots? Fields, Shumpert, Amare, Chandler?
Seriously our entire team is struggling with their jumper including Melo. Would you prefer Melo sits and lets the wrist heal?
Melo is playing hurt and isn't going to continue to shoot 30% all season.
if he is hurt then it would be highly constructive for him NOT to take 30 shots. His teamates would have more confidence and shoot better if he trusted them a bit more. There is no excuse for all this selfish play and it would be cancerous to any team regardless of their quality of shooters. The funny thing is, they played really cohesive basketball when he sat.
Really so trusting his teammate is going to magically make them better shooters.
Source: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/gametracker...
Please look at the shot chart. Landry Fields made a whopping 2 Jumpers while missing 5. Iman Shumpert made 5 jumpers while missing 7. Harrelson missed all his jumpers.
AnubisADL - stop it. do you REALLY want one player hoisting 30 shots a night?
C'mon son, Stoudemire had 9 attempts from the field. Total. Nine. How can you defend such a blatant disparity with a straight face?
Stoudemire doesn't have confidence in himself. The shot charts shows he bricked those two jumpers in the 3rd quarter and didnt shoot after that. He got touches though but chose to pass.
mrKnickShot wrote:
"Really so trusting his teammate is going to magically make them better shooters."Yes it will. If he does not have confidence in them, they will not shoot with confidence. There must be a flow to an offense for shooters to knock down their shots and sucks the flow right out of the game.
Suprisingly, Fields was shooting great (check the numbers on that) before Melo got here. Is that just a coincidence? Maybe - but I think not.
Shooting great for half a season makes you a great shooter? 
Melo is the reason everyone is shooting bad. I guess you forgot the Knicks record BEFORE Melo got here.
Amare playing like complete trash isnt helping.
This is why the Knicks needed scoring but dudes were penciling Toney Douglas to take Billups place. Thing is Toney cant score or run the point right now. So I guess that is Melo's fault too.
I don't know how this will all turn out. If for whatever reason the Melo experiment doesn't work out we still have options. Unlike the better part of the last decade we have players teams will want, including some of the recent draft picks. It would suck to start from scratch again but it beats having a team stocked with castoffs and retreads with unmovable contracts.
Right now I believe the jury is still out. I think Melo knows that he can't play the way same way he did in Denver, the fans in NY will let him know about it like they did last night. I think Melo is starting to understand that. But if things don't improve the Knicks still have options. A better coach might be able to keep him in check. Melo isn't going to turn into a pass first SF any time soon but I do believe he will share the rock more often. Still too early to write his epitaph.
Eastern Conference Finals, Here We Come
The funny thing is the Carmelo trade was worth "it", whatever "it" is. The fundamental problem? The assets needed, to replace what was given up, will require at least two more years of pain and suffering. Two years?
By 2013, the head coach will have been replaced and the plot thickens once again.
Yes, Melo is a big reason players aren't shooting as well. Watch the game last night he stunts everyone offensively. He holds the ball doesn't pass at the right times doesn't set his teammates up.
I will say the coaching was horrendous last night. Where was Billy Walker in the second half. Mike has to figure out how to get Amare shots and understand that Amare can be better utilized when resting Melo and Chandler. Shump, TD, Fields, Balkman, Amare would actually be an effective lineup to space the floor a little bit for him.
But, if you really enjoy watching Melo, you don't enjoy basketball. It's not a one on one contest. His skills and shot making ability is impressive, just not in a team concept
AnubisADL wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:
"Really so trusting his teammate is going to magically make them better shooters."Yes it will. If he does not have confidence in them, they will not shoot with confidence. There must be a flow to an offense for shooters to knock down their shots and sucks the flow right out of the game.
Suprisingly, Fields was shooting great (check the numbers on that) before Melo got here. Is that just a coincidence? Maybe - but I think not.
Shooting great for half a season makes you a great shooter?
Melo is the reason everyone is shooting bad. I guess you forgot the Knicks record BEFORE Melo got here.
Amare playing like complete trash isnt helping.
This is why the Knicks needed scoring but dudes were penciling Toney Douglas to take Billups place. Thing is Toney cant score or run the point right now. So I guess that is Melo's fault too.
You keep skirting the issue. Yes, the knicks have issues - we can all see that. However, it is obvious that ultra-selfish basketball is not helpful either. You really cannot defend that. Let him make the correct pass(es) when he gets doubled and tripled and let the chips fall where they may. 10-30? Really? C'mon! I was a fan of the trade (though I think they caved and gaved up too much when they did not need to) and I am a Melo fan and think he can be a stud but this is BS and is not basketball.
mrKnickShot wrote:AnubisADL wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:
"Really so trusting his teammate is going to magically make them better shooters."Yes it will. If he does not have confidence in them, they will not shoot with confidence. There must be a flow to an offense for shooters to knock down their shots and sucks the flow right out of the game.
Suprisingly, Fields was shooting great (check the numbers on that) before Melo got here. Is that just a coincidence? Maybe - but I think not.
Shooting great for half a season makes you a great shooter?
Melo is the reason everyone is shooting bad. I guess you forgot the Knicks record BEFORE Melo got here.
Amare playing like complete trash isnt helping.
This is why the Knicks needed scoring but dudes were penciling Toney Douglas to take Billups place. Thing is Toney cant score or run the point right now. So I guess that is Melo's fault too.
You keep skirting the issue. Yes, the knicks have issues - we can all see that. However, it is obvious that ultra-selfish basketball is not helpful either. You really cannot defend that. Let him make the correct pass(es) when he gets doubled and tripled and let the chips fall where they may. 10-30? Really? C'mon! I was a fan of the trade (though I think they caved and gaved up too much when they did not need to) and I am a Melo fan and think he can be a stud but this is BS and is not basketball.
Dude is he makes the correct passes he is STILL going to get blamed for the losses. That is the plight of a franchise player.
We need to trade for a better backcourt of at least 3rd year players. Shumpert and Fields are ok but we need some proven help at the guard position.
AnubisADL wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:AnubisADL wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:
"Really so trusting his teammate is going to magically make them better shooters."Yes it will. If he does not have confidence in them, they will not shoot with confidence. There must be a flow to an offense for shooters to knock down their shots and sucks the flow right out of the game.
Suprisingly, Fields was shooting great (check the numbers on that) before Melo got here. Is that just a coincidence? Maybe - but I think not.
Shooting great for half a season makes you a great shooter?
Melo is the reason everyone is shooting bad. I guess you forgot the Knicks record BEFORE Melo got here.
Amare playing like complete trash isnt helping.
This is why the Knicks needed scoring but dudes were penciling Toney Douglas to take Billups place. Thing is Toney cant score or run the point right now. So I guess that is Melo's fault too.
You keep skirting the issue. Yes, the knicks have issues - we can all see that. However, it is obvious that ultra-selfish basketball is not helpful either. You really cannot defend that. Let him make the correct pass(es) when he gets doubled and tripled and let the chips fall where they may. 10-30? Really? C'mon! I was a fan of the trade (though I think they caved and gaved up too much when they did not need to) and I am a Melo fan and think he can be a stud but this is BS and is not basketball.
Dude is he makes the correct passes he is STILL going to get blamed for the losses. That is the plight of a franchise player.
We need to trade for a better backcourt of at least 3rd year players. Shumpert and Fields are ok but we need some proven help at the guard position.
I completely agree but he still has to make the right plays and he gets blamed since he is the Diva then so be it.
MS wrote:Yes, Melo is a big reason players aren't shooting as well. Watch the game last night he stunts everyone offensively. He holds the ball doesn't pass at the right times doesn't set his teammates up.I will say the coaching was horrendous last night. Where was Billy Walker in the second half. Mike has to figure out how to get Amare shots and understand that Amare can be better utilized when resting Melo and Chandler. Shump, TD, Fields, Balkman, Amare would actually be an effective lineup to space the floor a little bit for him.
But, if you really enjoy watching Melo, you don't enjoy basketball. It's not a one on one contest. His skills and shot making ability is impressive, just not in a team concept
I will say it again - Mike is out of it. He does not care.
It is obvious to anybody with clear vision he is not emotionaly involwed any more.
He knows this ship is going to sink... and packling the bags.
AnubisADL wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:AnubisADL wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:
"Really so trusting his teammate is going to magically make them better shooters."Yes it will. If he does not have confidence in them, they will not shoot with confidence. There must be a flow to an offense for shooters to knock down their shots and sucks the flow right out of the game.
Suprisingly, Fields was shooting great (check the numbers on that) before Melo got here. Is that just a coincidence? Maybe - but I think not.
Shooting great for half a season makes you a great shooter?
Melo is the reason everyone is shooting bad. I guess you forgot the Knicks record BEFORE Melo got here.
Amare playing like complete trash isnt helping.
This is why the Knicks needed scoring but dudes were penciling Toney Douglas to take Billups place. Thing is Toney cant score or run the point right now. So I guess that is Melo's fault too.
You keep skirting the issue. Yes, the knicks have issues - we can all see that. However, it is obvious that ultra-selfish basketball is not helpful either. You really cannot defend that. Let him make the correct pass(es) when he gets doubled and tripled and let the chips fall where they may. 10-30? Really? C'mon! I was a fan of the trade (though I think they caved and gaved up too much when they did not need to) and I am a Melo fan and think he can be a stud but this is BS and is not basketball.
Dude is he makes the correct passes he is STILL going to get blamed for the losses. That is the plight of a franchise player.
We need to trade for a better backcourt of at least 3rd year players. Shumpert and Fields are ok but we need some proven help at the guard position.
When an entire arena is imploring your "franchise player" to "pass the ball" it is a sign they are NOT buying into the narrow definition of "star player." Stars make the guys around them BETTER - not worse.
Individual stats are for chumps.
It ain't that deep.
