KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:MDA's coaching is reminiscent of what Francona did with the Red Sox
in September 2011. He seems to just sit idly by without making any adjustments.
He rarely shows any emotion. I've never seen him get in someone's face.
He's a horrible coach with a horrible system who is not a fit for our team. It boggles my mind that we've lost 8 of 9 and 5 of those games were by double digits.
History shows that Dolan doesn't like to make changes during the season-
I suppose that's the main reason why Mr. Pringles is still here.
But, just like Francona, the writing is on the wall.
I can't wait until this guy is fired.
It'll be a happy day in Knickland.
If what you are saying was actually true that would be OK, but it's not true. MDA does get in his players faces and yells and demands. Do you even watch the games? His coaching style isn't to micro manage every single possession. He give his players the ability to play basketball in a more free flowing way. When they actually do what he's taught them it works and it's proven to work, but you also can't ignore the fact that we have a problem at PG. We haven't lost all these games cuz the coach isn't doing enough.
The players on the court haven't been playing up to their career levels. Just go up and down the line and you see a lot of the players aren't performing up to their ability. Tyson is the one guy that has been what you expect him to be. Just about everyone else has gotten off to a bad start. The biggest factor is the lack of any floor leader. There's no decision maker, no coach on the floor to carry out what MDA wants them to do. I guarantee you that if we had a capable PG this team doesn't have a losing record.
The only thing I said was the Knicks were not in an upward trajectory pre Melodramatic trade. That's true whether you like MDA or not. Your statement is false. End of story. n
loweyecue wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:Not my fault you posted things that didn't correspond to reality. Pre trade they were not headed upward as you said. I do hate him but I always try to stay accurate.
loweyecue wrote:loweyecue wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:Wow. What a load of horse$hit. The team was not driving toward sucess pre trade. We were almost 10 game sover 0.500 then worked our way to 2 games over 0.500. I get you like him but how about putting things that are true rather than false in his defense?loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:I don't think management did him any favors in acquiring Anthony and amnestying Billups. In fact it appears there was a disregard for what he needs to be successful. However, I also think that the Berger article that quoted Warkenstein is right when he says D'Antoni is a roster specific coach. I don't think he is the problem this year and I don't think he was put in the position where he can succeed. That being said I do think he had done enough in the past to warrant termination. This year is different. He is not part of the problem but I also don't think he is capable of solving it.
So when was he put in a position to succeed during his tenure as a Knick's coach?
I think pre-trade last year he had the team closest to what he needs to run his style. I think we differ in opinion about how much success he is actually capable of achieving without a totally stacked roster and an mvp running the point.
Right pre-trade last year he had a team that he was driving towards success. He had put the hard work in, taken the early losses worked his way back to .500 and WHAM. He was once again put in a position to fail. 
will get fired this year, its a sad reflection of just how sick our franchise is.
Does he get credit for getting a team with huge holes in defense to 10 games above 500? Of course not. Then all the key players are involved in trade talks their performance takes a hit and you zero in in that one losing streak and you decide in your infinite wisdom the team was not being driven towards success? You should talk about horse$hit. I get it you hate him but if take your head out of your ass long enough maybe you will be able to see what people are talking about.
Yeah, guess you live in your reality and I in mine. Hatred doesn't usually lend itself to accuracy. Your eyes only interpret what they see based on what your mind has already told them to expect. If you want to be fair try to keep an open mind instead of trying to be accurate. Anyone can spin data anyway they want, it's preconceived notions about how things should be that lead to poor decision making.
And no I don't like MDA as the coach here. Never did. But I do believe he deserves a fair chance he has never had one while he was here. We must agree to disagree. I also don't want us to blindly keep changing coaches because continuity is more important than abrupt change.
nixluva wrote:KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:MDA's coaching is reminiscent of what Francona did with the Red Sox
in September 2011. He seems to just sit idly by without making any adjustments.
He rarely shows any emotion. I've never seen him get in someone's face.
He's a horrible coach with a horrible system who is not a fit for our team. It boggles my mind that we've lost 8 of 9 and 5 of those games were by double digits.
History shows that Dolan doesn't like to make changes during the season-
I suppose that's the main reason why Mr. Pringles is still here.
But, just like Francona, the writing is on the wall.
I can't wait until this guy is fired.
It'll be a happy day in Knickland.
If what you are saying was actually true that would be OK, but it's not true. MDA does get in his players faces and yells and demands. Do you even watch the games? His coaching style isn't to micro manage every single possession. He give his players the ability to play basketball in a more free flowing way. When they actually do what he's taught them it works and it's proven to work, but you also can't ignore the fact that we have a problem at PG. We haven't lost all these games cuz the coach isn't doing enough.
The players on the court haven't been playing up to their career levels. Just go up and down the line and you see a lot of the players aren't performing up to their ability. Tyson is the one guy that has been what you expect him to be. Just about everyone else has gotten off to a bad start. The biggest factor is the lack of any floor leader. There's no decision maker, no coach on the floor to carry out what MDA wants them to do. I guarantee you that if we had a capable PG this team doesn't have a losing record.
Everytime you speak, you put your foot in your mouth a little farther. Too funny.
"His coaching style is not to micro-manage every single possession."
Are you serious, son? What is this AHole getting paid to do? Sell popcorn?
The fact is that every single possession is critical to the outcome of the game but
D'Antoni sits idly by with that dumb look on his face without making adjustments.
And, because there are too many of those type of possessions during the game, we dig a hole for
ourselves that we can't overcome.
I really can't understand your constant crusade to back D'Antoni and his system while coming up with a multitude of excuses which blame everyone but him! It's actually hilarious. If you can't see that we don't have the right players for him to coach, then you are a blind man; his "system" does not fit with our personnel. PLAYERS ARE REGRESSING BECAUSE OF HIS SYSTEM! He's not reaching our players and he lacks the passion and communication skills necessary to do that. But, I guess that your rose colored glasses won't allow you to see that.
I'm going to enjoy hearing your excuses for him when he's finally fired.
That will be very entertaining.
I am not sure how anyone in their sober mind can say that this team was not on an upward trajectory before the Melo trade.
If you looked up "upward trajectory" in the dictionary, you would have a picture of the Knicks before the Melo trade.
28-26 before the trade, but young and under the black cloud of morale-murdering trade talks, compared to Denver's 32-25 before the trade. So only 4.5 behind Denver and their SuperMegaSpecialHappyStar.
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:nixluva wrote:KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:MDA's coaching is reminiscent of what Francona did with the Red Sox
in September 2011. He seems to just sit idly by without making any adjustments.
He rarely shows any emotion. I've never seen him get in someone's face.
He's a horrible coach with a horrible system who is not a fit for our team. It boggles my mind that we've lost 8 of 9 and 5 of those games were by double digits.
History shows that Dolan doesn't like to make changes during the season-
I suppose that's the main reason why Mr. Pringles is still here.
But, just like Francona, the writing is on the wall.
I can't wait until this guy is fired.
It'll be a happy day in Knickland.
If what you are saying was actually true that would be OK, but it's not true. MDA does get in his players faces and yells and demands. Do you even watch the games? His coaching style isn't to micro manage every single possession. He give his players the ability to play basketball in a more free flowing way. When they actually do what he's taught them it works and it's proven to work, but you also can't ignore the fact that we have a problem at PG. We haven't lost all these games cuz the coach isn't doing enough.
The players on the court haven't been playing up to their career levels. Just go up and down the line and you see a lot of the players aren't performing up to their ability. Tyson is the one guy that has been what you expect him to be. Just about everyone else has gotten off to a bad start. The biggest factor is the lack of any floor leader. There's no decision maker, no coach on the floor to carry out what MDA wants them to do. I guarantee you that if we had a capable PG this team doesn't have a losing record.
Everytime you speak, you put your foot in your mouth a little farther. Too funny.
"His coaching style is not to micro-manage every single possession."
Are you serious, son? What is this AHole getting paid to do? Sell popcorn?
The fact is that every single possession is critical to the outcome of the game but
D'Antoni sits idly by with that dumb look on his face without making adjustments.
And, because there are too many of those type of possessions during the game, we dig a hole for
ourselves that we can't overcome.
I really can't understand your constant crusade to back D'Antoni and his system while coming up with a multitude of excuses which blame everyone but him! It's actually hilarious. If you can't see that we don't have the right players for him to coach, then you are a blind man; his "system" does not fit with our personnel. PLAYERS ARE REGRESSING BECAUSE OF HIS SYSTEM! He's not reaching our players and he lacks the passion and communication skills necessary to do that. But, I guess that your rose colored glasses won't allow you to see that.
I'm going to enjoy hearing your excuses for him when he's finally fired.
That will be very entertaining.
How have I put my foot in my mouth? Dumb statement when i'm producing facts to support what i'm saying. You say the players are regressing and it's because of the system, but that's not accurate. When they actually RUN the plays as they're supposed to, immediately they shoot better, there's more movement and things look much better. Just LAST YEAR this team was a top offense in the entire NBA. That's with a poor start and major trade!!! So WTF are you talking about? Go learn the game 1st before you challenge me on BB. The only time we had a roster that could execute and all of a sudden he has them near the top of the league offensively. Now if you were talking about defense then you'd have some grounds to stand on, but you can't go there this season cuz the team is #7 in defensive efficiency.
You never produced any facts to support your belief
that MDA does not need to micro-manage. You just
tried to skirt right around that. You lose once again.
There's no sense in trying to have a discussion with you.
I think that you actually BELIEVE that Mr. Clueless Pringles
is responsible for the improvement in defense.
Comeon, son.....you can't be serious!
Please do me a favor and stay out of my way on this site, Nixluva.
I've never run into somebody as confused as you about the nuances of basketball.
nixluva wrote:KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:MDA's coaching is reminiscent of what Francona did with the Red Sox
in September 2011. He seems to just sit idly by without making any adjustments.
He rarely shows any emotion. I've never seen him get in someone's face.
He's a horrible coach with a horrible system who is not a fit for our team. It boggles my mind that we've lost 8 of 9 and 5 of those games were by double digits.
History shows that Dolan doesn't like to make changes during the season-
I suppose that's the main reason why Mr. Pringles is still here.
But, just like Francona, the writing is on the wall.
I can't wait until this guy is fired.
It'll be a happy day in Knickland.
If what you are saying was actually true that would be OK, but it's not true. MDA does get in his players faces and yells and demands. Do you even watch the games? His coaching style isn't to micro manage every single possession. He give his players the ability to play basketball in a more free flowing way. When they actually do what he's taught them it works and it's proven to work, but you also can't ignore the fact that we have a problem at PG. We haven't lost all these games cuz the coach isn't doing enough.
The players on the court haven't been playing up to their career levels. Just go up and down the line and you see a lot of the players aren't performing up to their ability. Tyson is the one guy that has been what you expect him to be. Just about everyone else has gotten off to a bad start. The biggest factor is the lack of any floor leader. There's no decision maker, no coach on the floor to carry out what MDA wants them to do. I guarantee you that if we had a capable PG this team doesn't have a losing record.
I have seen him do this with Douglas and a few of the young guys but I don't see him getting in guys faces and yelling especially his stars. I will try to watch more closely.
Every coach, every person in general, has their own style. If D'Antoni started getting in guys' faces, this would not be congruent with his style and it would not be taken seriously.
I mean, really, we're talking about a man's personality at this point.
I would be more inclined to entertain such topics if the guy were a new coach with no history, but he's a proven coach, he's a successful coach, and he knows what he's doing.
nykshaknbake wrote:The only thing I said was the Knicks were not in an upward trajectory pre Melodramatic trade. That's true whether you like MDA or not. Your statement is false. End of story. nloweyecue wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:Not my fault you posted things that didn't correspond to reality. Pre trade they were not headed upward as you said. I do hate him but I always try to stay accurate.
loweyecue wrote:loweyecue wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:Wow. What a load of horse$hit. The team was not driving toward sucess pre trade. We were almost 10 game sover 0.500 then worked our way to 2 games over 0.500. I get you like him but how about putting things that are true rather than false in his defense?loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:I don't think management did him any favors in acquiring Anthony and amnestying Billups. In fact it appears there was a disregard for what he needs to be successful. However, I also think that the Berger article that quoted Warkenstein is right when he says D'Antoni is a roster specific coach. I don't think he is the problem this year and I don't think he was put in the position where he can succeed. That being said I do think he had done enough in the past to warrant termination. This year is different. He is not part of the problem but I also don't think he is capable of solving it.
So when was he put in a position to succeed during his tenure as a Knick's coach?
I think pre-trade last year he had the team closest to what he needs to run his style. I think we differ in opinion about how much success he is actually capable of achieving without a totally stacked roster and an mvp running the point.
Right pre-trade last year he had a team that he was driving towards success. He had put the hard work in, taken the early losses worked his way back to .500 and WHAM. He was once again put in a position to fail. will get fired this year, its a sad reflection of just how sick our franchise is.
Does he get credit for getting a team with huge holes in defense to 10 games above 500? Of course not. Then all the key players are involved in trade talks their performance takes a hit and you zero in in that one losing streak and you decide in your infinite wisdom the team was not being driven towards success? You should talk about horse$hit. I get it you hate him but if take your head out of your ass long enough maybe you will be able to see what people are talking about.
Yeah, guess you live in your reality and I in mine. Hatred doesn't usually lend itself to accuracy. Your eyes only interpret what they see based on what your mind has already told them to expect. If you want to be fair try to keep an open mind instead of trying to be accurate. Anyone can spin data anyway they want, it's preconceived notions about how things should be that lead to poor decision making.
And no I don't like MDA as the coach here. Never did. But I do believe he deserves a fair chance he has never had one while he was here. We must agree to disagree. I also don't want us to blindly keep changing coaches because continuity is more important than abrupt change.
that's your opinion. I thought they were getting better as the year went on.
loweyecue wrote:loweyecue wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:Wow. What a load of horse$hit. The team was not driving toward sucess pre trade. We were almost 10 game sover 0.500 then worked our way to 2 games over 0.500. I get you like him but how about putting things that are true rather than false in his defense?loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:I don't think management did him any favors in acquiring Anthony and amnestying Billups. In fact it appears there was a disregard for what he needs to be successful. However, I also think that the Berger article that quoted Warkenstein is right when he says D'Antoni is a roster specific coach. I don't think he is the problem this year and I don't think he was put in the position where he can succeed. That being said I do think he had done enough in the past to warrant termination. This year is different. He is not part of the problem but I also don't think he is capable of solving it.
So when was he put in a position to succeed during his tenure as a Knick's coach?
I think pre-trade last year he had the team closest to what he needs to run his style. I think we differ in opinion about how much success he is actually capable of achieving without a totally stacked roster and an mvp running the point.
Right pre-trade last year he had a team that he was driving towards success. He had put the hard work in, taken the early losses worked his way back to .500 and WHAM. He was once again put in a position to fail. will get fired this year, its a sad reflection of just how sick our franchise is.
Does he get credit for getting a team with huge holes in defense to 10 games above 500? Of course not. Then all the key players are involved in trade talks their performance takes a hit and you zero in in that one losing streak and you decide in your infinite wisdom the team was not being driven towards success? You should talk about horse$hit. I get it you hate him but if take your head out of your ass long enough maybe you will be able to see what people are talking about.
Just to clarify, the Knicks have never been 10 games above .500 during D'Antoni's tenure here. The best they got to was 7 games over but they then lost 6 of their next 7 games.
its hard to say, at this point.
He needs a unique range of skilled players but with this roster, its just not his strength.
Walsh was on the right track working with Dantoni's strengths.
Amare looks like he is getting some of his explosiveness back.
We are trying but teams are coming out strong on us, with the extra kick.
With all that media attention we get and "stars" that we have, with those holes, it feels good for them.
This schedule, with this "new team", and lack of practice, really does not help...
I honestly don't know if it's D'Antoni or the players- I mean, when a team is fielding a lineup of:
PG- Lin
SG- Bibby
SF- Shumpert
PF- Jeffries
C- Tyson
and it's not even garbage time, is that the coaches fault for unleashing such a monstrosity or his GM's for having those players make up the bulk of your roster?
Our roster stinks- it's dreadful, no one can win with this crap- we have no backcourt, we have no bench, we only have 3 starters who can't play together.
I think it's pretty simple, Dantoni needs a PG period. His system needs a capable PG... Nash and Felton both ran his system really well, Duhon did an alright job... we just don't have ANY PG that can do that right now.
Our roster and bench will look just fine once we get that PG and I think we will flourish with Baron Davis... call me crazy but I can see Baron Davis running Dantoni's system.
It'll all fall into place after that, our shooting percentage will go up cause right now it's horrendous, amazingly without a PG we are still doing average in turnovers which will only improve, so will our assists tremendously once we get a running PG and we have a great free throw shooting team, I think we can improve our rebounding a bit but I think our rebounding will increase naturally once everything glues.
I'm not worried, it takes very special players to win games without some sort of PG and Carmelo obviously can't (he is a second tier player IMO) and sometimes when things go wrong it can snowball out of control add that and the spotlight that is NYC.
I think Jeff Van Gundy woulda had this team at 13-7 instead of 7-13... hey Jeff come outta retirement!!! LOL!
Ah, The knick fix. I don't get the fire MDA logic that some of you guys are endlessly raving about. And replace him with??
Look at MIA last year. They sure as hell didn't look good early on - including a full training camp and preseason. And their big 3 doesnt consist of 3 guys that can't pass, dribble or shoot. Oh, and defend I suppose - with TC being the exception.
I support comradery and not firing the guy who's stuck with a shitty management through some grim phuckin times, only to be canned after 1/4 of the messy season that is the 2011-12 season.
We need for guys to develop chemistry on and off the court. Not look over their shoulders, fearing the next roster mix up. But that's not business right?
Remember thanksgiving dinner, 2010?
skeng wrote:Ah, The knick fix. I don't get the fire MDA logic that some of you guys are endlessly raving about. And replace him with?? Look at MIA last year. They sure as hell didn't look good early on - including a full training camp and preseason. And their big 3 doesnt consist of 3 guys that can't pass, dribble or shoot. Oh, and defend I suppose - with TC being the exception.
I support comradery and not firing the guy who's stuck with a shitty management through some grim phuckin times, only to be canned after 1/4 of the messy season that is the 2011-12 season.
We need for guys to develop chemistry on and off the court. Not look over their shoulders, fearing the next roster mix up. But that's not business right?
20 years of ugly losing have taught us one thing well- even though six coaches in seven years didn't do anything to improve the team firing the next coach will definitely fix everything. Oddly enough fans are screaming for results and alo beseeching the team for not building through the draft often in the same post. Unless you were drafted by the Knicks you obviously need to take us to a championship next year or you must be traded. People want to build through the draft which can take 10-15 years to get " lucky" but they can't give a team with key injuries even half a season before calling for trades and new coaching. Only in NY.
In fact one of the dumbest things MDA did was babbling like an idiot about championships. Guess he went and chopped himself off at the knees.
Truth
D'Antoni didn't help his cause talking about championships. Ironic that he gets praise for his genious on offense and its that aspect in which we suck the most.
This situatiom reminds me of Smallville's opening theme song.
Unfortunatley Martin it's not. WIns are better than losses so when you win at a rate rate that gets you 7 games above 0.500 and then lose at a rate over a longer time span that puts you 5 games below 0.500 it's not as good. If I was in statistics I might call it a negative trend.
martin wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:The only thing I said was the Knicks were not in an upward trajectory pre Melodramatic trade. That's true whether you like MDA or not. Your statement is false. End of story. nloweyecue wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:Not my fault you posted things that didn't correspond to reality. Pre trade they were not headed upward as you said. I do hate him but I always try to stay accurate.
loweyecue wrote:loweyecue wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:Wow. What a load of horse$hit. The team was not driving toward sucess pre trade. We were almost 10 game sover 0.500 then worked our way to 2 games over 0.500. I get you like him but how about putting things that are true rather than false in his defense?loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:I don't think management did him any favors in acquiring Anthony and amnestying Billups. In fact it appears there was a disregard for what he needs to be successful. However, I also think that the Berger article that quoted Warkenstein is right when he says D'Antoni is a roster specific coach. I don't think he is the problem this year and I don't think he was put in the position where he can succeed. That being said I do think he had done enough in the past to warrant termination. This year is different. He is not part of the problem but I also don't think he is capable of solving it.
So when was he put in a position to succeed during his tenure as a Knick's coach?
I think pre-trade last year he had the team closest to what he needs to run his style. I think we differ in opinion about how much success he is actually capable of achieving without a totally stacked roster and an mvp running the point.
Right pre-trade last year he had a team that he was driving towards success. He had put the hard work in, taken the early losses worked his way back to .500 and WHAM. He was once again put in a position to fail. will get fired this year, its a sad reflection of just how sick our franchise is.
Does he get credit for getting a team with huge holes in defense to 10 games above 500? Of course not. Then all the key players are involved in trade talks their performance takes a hit and you zero in in that one losing streak and you decide in your infinite wisdom the team was not being driven towards success? You should talk about horse$hit. I get it you hate him but if take your head out of your ass long enough maybe you will be able to see what people are talking about.
Yeah, guess you live in your reality and I in mine. Hatred doesn't usually lend itself to accuracy. Your eyes only interpret what they see based on what your mind has already told them to expect. If you want to be fair try to keep an open mind instead of trying to be accurate. Anyone can spin data anyway they want, it's preconceived notions about how things should be that lead to poor decision making.
And no I don't like MDA as the coach here. Never did. But I do believe he deserves a fair chance he has never had one while he was here. We must agree to disagree. I also don't want us to blindly keep changing coaches because continuity is more important than abrupt change.
that's your opinion. I thought they were getting better as the year went on.
