CrushAlot wrote:If you want to give him the year I am fine with that. I see no reason to extend him. The team is not built to play his style. I personally have not been impressed with his entire tenure here. What has he done in NY that makes you think keeping him improves the team for the future?
You don't think one of the so called "big Three" should be traded during the off season to accomdate MDA for even having the balls to take on such a no win situation coming in..
What real coach would want to deal with this organazation after they Tarnish a hall fame(larry brown) coach, didn't bring in the apprpriate players for him, then canned a guy who, basically sat thru your rebuilding process. then when you finally get him his playeys,(in which he had input on every draft, trade, and signing) ang get on track, you trade them away go into starphuck mode, and repeat the process of bloating your cap.
When you hire a a guy to do a job, your suppose to give him the correct tools to be successful.
Suppose you went to work, and you didn't have the right tools to do your job and they just up and fire you cuase they thought you were incompetent..
Some of you have to really think about everything surrounded this guys job, before you start sceaming fire him.. fire him
Dantoni doesn't have a style.
Running up and down the court jacking up threes isn't a style, nor is it a system.
It's a sketch.
JrZyHuStLa wrote:nixluva wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:nixluva wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike Dantoni never cared for defense in Phoenix, therefore the Suns lost.Mike Dantoni never cares for defense in New York, therefore the Knicks lose.
Fire Dantoni.
It's not that he didn't care about D. Who were his Defensive players. Nash... STAT? You can't really have a great defensive team if your 2 best players stink at D. Name the proven defensive Centers D'Antoni had in PHX or NY before Tyson. Now that we have Tyson and Shump, the defense has been better. Not perfect but it's better. #7 in the league in Defensive Efficiency. The D would be even better if we didn't turn it over so much and have so many wasted offensive possessions.
Why does everyone think he should be spoon fed defensive players as if it would make a difference?
Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Jerry Sloan, Greg Popovich wouldn't have cared if they had defensive minded players on their rosters. They would've demanded it on a nightly basis, something Dantoni has never done.
The excuses are getting old now.
Pretty much all of those coaches had talented defensive players. IF you have Jordan and Pippen, you're gonna have some defense. If you have Duncan and Bowen it's gonna help you defensively. If you have Ewing and Oak, that's gonna help you defensively. Come on man use some logic.
If you have Tyson Chandler, Amare Stoudemire, and Carmelo Anthony, you shouldn't be this disgraceful.
Come on man, smell the coffee.
A Iso guy, and 2 other's that need to be fed the rock.
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Dantoni doesn't have a style.Running up and down the court jacking up threes isn't a style, nor is it a system.
It's a sketch.
but you seen it work before..how can you be that against it.
knicks1248 wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:Dantoni doesn't have a style.Running up and down the court jacking up threes isn't a style, nor is it a system.
It's a sketch.
but you seen it work before..how can you be that against it.
A championship is the only thing that proves that something works. Therefore, Dantoni hasn't proven anything.
Of course you'll have regular season success with a Hall of Fame caliber pg, Amare, and some really nice role players.
knicks1248 wrote:CrushAlot wrote:If you want to give him the year I am fine with that. I see no reason to extend him. The team is not built to play his style. I personally have not been impressed with his entire tenure here. What has he done in NY that makes you think keeping him improves the team for the future?
You don't think one of the so called "big Three" should be traded during the off season to accomdate MDA for even having the balls to take on such a no win situation coming in..
What real coach would want to deal with this organazation after they Tarnish a hall fame(larry brown) coach, didn't bring in the apprpriate players for him, then canned a guy who, basically sat thru your rebuilding process. then when you finally get him his playeys,(in which he had input on every draft, trade, and signing) ang get on track, you trade them away go into starphuck mode, and repeat the process of bloating your cap.
When you hire a a guy to do a job, your suppose to give him the correct tools to be successful.
Suppose you went to work, and you didn't have the right tools to do your job and they just up and fire you cuase they thought you were incompetent..
Some of you have to really think about everything surrounded this guys job, before you start sceaming fire him.. fire him
No. I also think he was offered autonomy and more money in NY then in Chicago when he accepted the job and that he left Phoenix because he was offended when he was asked to change.
I think D'Antoni is a good coach when he has the right players for his system. We had a glimpse of that last year before they got Melo.
Our players will never excel in his system so its time for a change. Getting a PG would be nice as well.
CrushAlot wrote:If you want to give him the year I am fine with that. I see no reason to extend him. The team is not built to play his style. I personally have not been impressed with his entire tenure here. What has he done in NY that makes you think keeping him improves the team for the future?
I didn't say we should keep him here in the future. I said we need to find a real coach before parting with him. I don't need Woodson and Mark Jackson types running the Knicks. So far none of the people calling for his head has made one credible suggestion of who would replace him. Phil Jax may be a pipe dream.
loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:If you want to give him the year I am fine with that. I see no reason to extend him. The team is not built to play his style. I personally have not been impressed with his entire tenure here. What has he done in NY that makes you think keeping him improves the team for the future?
I didn't say we should keep him here in the future. I said we need to find a real coach before parting with him. I don't need Woodson and Mark Jackson types running the Knicks. So far none of the people calling for his head has made one credible suggestion of who would replace him. Phil Jax may be a pipe dream.
NY is a big job but the guy in Indiana is doing a great job. McHale seems to be a much better coach than gm. Monty Williams stepped in and has been great in New Orleans. I think you have to look at a pool of canidates both big names and assistants that might do a good job. While I don't have a problem with D'Antoni finishing the year if the Knicks are considering Woodson for the future I wouldn't have a problem with him being an interim coach for part of this season.
I think minimally Knick management waits until Baron is back for deciding on D'Antoni. However, if the next two weeks are like the last two he may not make it until then.
no one feel bad for d'antoni ... if he's canned he won't care ... guys made millions running an offense that's as complex as shoot when you're open, and never killed one brain cell constructing a defense.
go off into the sunset 
you didn't earn it, but that doesn't matter in your life.
anrst wrote:no one feel bad for d'antoni ... if he's canned he won't care ... guys made millions running an offense that's as complex as shoot when you're open, and never killed one brain cell constructing a defense. go off into the sunset you didn't earn it, but that doesn't matter in your life.
The knicks were still one of the worst defensive teams when Larry brown coach them, what are you saying?
Just for the record, once adjusted for pace, D'Antoni's Phoenix team were always middle of the pack on defense.
knicks1248 wrote:anrst wrote:no one feel bad for d'antoni ... if he's canned he won't care ... guys made millions running an offense that's as complex as shoot when you're open, and never killed one brain cell constructing a defense. go off into the sunset you didn't earn it, but that doesn't matter in your life.
The knicks were still one of the worst defensive teams when Larry brown coach them, what are you saying?
Not quite sure how Brown figures into this. Also, didn't Brown have a pretty good run when he worked for Donnie Walsh as opposed to Isiah Thomas?
CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:anrst wrote:no one feel bad for d'antoni ... if he's canned he won't care ... guys made millions running an offense that's as complex as shoot when you're open, and never killed one brain cell constructing a defense. go off into the sunset you didn't earn it, but that doesn't matter in your life.
The knicks were still one of the worst defensive teams when Larry brown coach them, what are you saying?
Not quite sure how Brown figures into this. Also, didn't Brown have a pretty good run when he worked for Donnie Walsh as opposed to Isiah Thomas?
The point was that LB was a great defensive coach, but couldn't get it done without legit defensive talent. Great defensive teams have to have talented defensive players somewhere on their roster. If you've got slow and non athletic players it's hard to be a good defensive team no matter how hard you try. Likewise if you really small.
D'Antoni's teams in PHX tho being small and having Nash and STAT up the middle, both terrible defenders, where never bottom half of the league on D. They were middle of the pack defensively, while being top of the league offensively. If MDA had a guy like Tyson, he might have won a title. That's what finally happened for the Mavs.
If MDA had a guy like Tyson, he might have won a title.
yes, you really did just say that... if ... well he does
firing d'antoni won't solve any problems this team has. though, i'm not sure keeping him does either.
the main problem is the roster - shallow team, not enough scorers/shooters, no guards whatsoever and its two best players play the same role.
that said, i don't think d'antoni has been flexible enough in his approach. i think they could run more postup offense thru amar'e and melo. inside game wins in the nba and sets up the outside game. you got two primo scorers, yes they can score from the perimeter, but they're also guite good from inside. melo is a beast in the post and amar'e is actually decent in the post.
d'antoni is stubbornly waiting for a PG to come so he can play the way he wants to play. and the knicks are losing losing losing.
i think team management (dolan) probably wants to keep d'antoni thru the end of this season and then bring in phil jackson. but things might go so ugly that mike woodson is the knicks coach by march 1st. not sure mike woodson helps or changes much though. unless he plans on signing a few more guards.
nixluva wrote:CrushAlot wrote:knicks1248 wrote:anrst wrote:no one feel bad for d'antoni ... if he's canned he won't care ... guys made millions running an offense that's as complex as shoot when you're open, and never killed one brain cell constructing a defense. go off into the sunset you didn't earn it, but that doesn't matter in your life.
The knicks were still one of the worst defensive teams when Larry brown coach them, what are you saying?
Not quite sure how Brown figures into this. Also, didn't Brown have a pretty good run when he worked for Donnie Walsh as opposed to Isiah Thomas?
The point was that LB was a great defensive coach, but couldn't get it done without legit defensive talent. Great defensive teams have to have talented defensive players somewhere on their roster. If you've got slow and non athletic players it's hard to be a good defensive team no matter how hard you try. Likewise if you really small.
D'Antoni's teams in PHX tho being small and having Nash and STAT up the middle, both terrible defenders, where never bottom half of the league on D. They were middle of the pack defensively, while being top of the league offensively. If MDA had a guy like Tyson, he might have won a title. That's what finally happened for the Mavs.
you do realize that d'antoni's entire offense is predicated on having the middle of the floor open for his point guard and roll man to do their damage in the paint and that ideally he'd want three shooters on the floor with those two, right?
he would have wanted no part of tyson and wanted no part of shaq when shaq was brought in by steve kerr. kerr essentially brought in shaq to force d'antoni out and it worked.
two of d'antoni's worst seasons have been when he had a legit center clogging up the lane and disrupting his offense: his final season in phoenix and his final season in new york.
well that's on him then. poor mike, he has a team that doesn't fit his precious system. you're making millions to coach what you have. greg anthony wasn't showtime, but riley made it work.
chandler, douglas and shumpert are defensive players. are you telling me those 3 along with melo and stat can't get stops? look, it's not all on mike. the players aren't doing their job either. but enough excuses. everyone must pay, and is the most readily available to take a hit ... that doesn't mean he is the most to blame, the team is poorly constructed, but so are a lot of teams that still find ways to win.
anrst wrote:well that's on him then. poor mike, he has a team that doesn't fit his precious system. you're making millions to coach what you have. greg anthony wasn't showtime, but riley made it work. chandler, douglas and shumpert are defensive players. are you telling me those 3 along with melo and stat can't get stops? look, it's not all on mike. the players aren't doing their job either. but enough excuses. everyone must pay, and is the most readily available to take a hit ... that doesn't mean he is the most to blame, the team is poorly constructed, but so are a lot of teams that still find ways to win.
Not as poorly constructed or run as this team. We have the most dysfunctional franchise in the NBA.
JonsTintedTails wrote:I think D'Antoni is a good coach when he has the right players for his system.
That is the point I and others have also made since day 1, when MDA was hired. We don't have 3 pt shooters who can hit a high %age of shots. Yet we are at the top 1 or 2 in 3 pt shot attempts. Need to get some players who can hit the 3! This is the 4th year of MDA and we still don't have a team that can play his system.
But I also agree that MDA doesn't change his system much to adjust to the strengths of players he has. He does try a little but then reverts back to the 3 pt shot. I do believe taking a lot of open 3's is a good strategy, but only if you have players who can make it. That is why Nash was so important to MDA's success in Phoenix. Nash, besides being a great playmaker and penetrator, was also a great shooter. Every year, Nash was in the top 1 to 3 in 3 pt % as well as at the top in FT%. That is what we are lacking.
MDA won't be here after this year unless we go significantly deep in the playoffs. Dolan isn't going to keep him around. And the way things are going, he may be gone within a week or 2. Woodson would take over.
Stable franchise has continuity in management. Thru all the coaching changes, we have had almost as many Gm's.
Grunfeld-Tapscott-Laydon-Isiah-Donnie-Grunwald all in the last 10 years.
Currently, there is no voice. There is no one building a culture. Dolan has them all on an interim basis and compliant to his egotistical whim.
Great thread title.
You have Melo, who I think will gravitate to a brand of style that is good for him, his brand and longevity. Is this no constant to his career?
Melo, his statistics and maintaining his star.
Donnie did not want it and when it happened, he left.
MDA did not want it.
We all know you need superstar talent to win, but there are others that could have been had. Paul and Howard came up. Like my momma always said, "Son, there is always another sale!".
Now we got Grunwald and MDA all expiring, weak with expiring juice cards, and no one to even publicly support its coach or the team.
No voice.
MDA should go upstairs and ask if he is building something or not. If not, let him go. If so, then empower him to put his footprint on the franchise. Thats not going to happen because this is not a "Team".
Its a show.
