RonRon wrote:funny how some of us here DO KNOW BETTER than Dantoni, if only he would have listened earlier....
Just remember who authored the original 10 page thread on Jeremy Lin
for the Knicks to sign him this year.
I called him Nash-lite at the time.
Typical that Clueless Pringles took this long to get him quality minutes
but I'm thrilled that he's finally been given a chance.
If he can continue to play solid defense, continue to drive and dish the rock and work on his J,
he will be an important asset for this team.
We still have to relieve Pringles of his duties because he is not the right coach for our team.
His handling of Lin is a perfect example.
I want him GONE real bad.
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:RonRon wrote:funny how some of us here DO KNOW BETTER than Dantoni, if only he would have listened earlier....
Just remember who authored the original 10 page thread on Jeremy Lin
for the Knicks to sign him this year.
I called him Nash-lite at the time.
Typical that Clueless Pringles took this long to get him quality minutes
but I'm thrilled that he's finally been given a chance.
If he can continue to play solid defense, continue to drive and dish the rock and work on his J,
he will be an important asset for this team.
We still have to relieve Pringles of his duties because he is not the right coach for our team.
His handling of Lin is a perfect example.
I want him GONE real bad.
MDA can't be let go anymore. MDA is the perfect coach for a PG with skills.
NYKBocker wrote:KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:RonRon wrote:funny how some of us here DO KNOW BETTER than Dantoni, if only he would have listened earlier....
Just remember who authored the original 10 page thread on Jeremy Lin
for the Knicks to sign him this year.
I called him Nash-lite at the time.
Typical that Clueless Pringles took this long to get him quality minutes
but I'm thrilled that he's finally been given a chance.
If he can continue to play solid defense, continue to drive and dish the rock and work on his J,
he will be an important asset for this team.
We still have to relieve Pringles of his duties because he is not the right coach for our team.
His handling of Lin is a perfect example.
I want him GONE real bad.
MDA can't be let go anymore. MDA is the perfect coach for a PG with skills.
Lin isn't seeing time under anyone but MDA. Under MDA Lin can become a special player in the league.
I think it's pretty funny to call D'Antoni clueless for methodically bringing the young guy along.
D'Antoni had NOTHING to do with "bringing the young guy along."
In fact, if anything, he retarded his growth.
He should have been ahead of Bibby practically from the onset.
Stupid D'Antoni didn't know what he had (and kinda still doesn't know).
Did you see the interview after the Celtic game?
That'll tell you all that you need to know.
But, WHATEVER....drink the
kool-aid if you must.
IMO, the guy is NOT the right coach for this team and NOBODY can tell me otherwise.
He needs to go.
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:D'Antoni had NOTHING to do with "bringing the young guy along."
In fact, if anything, he retarded his growth.
He should have been ahead of Bibby practically from the onset.
Stupid D'Antoni didn't know what he had (and kinda still doesn't know).
Did you see the interview after the Celtic game?
That'll tell you all that you need to know.
But, WHATEVER....drink the kool-aid if you must.
IMO, the guy is NOT the right coach for this team and NOBODY can tell me otherwise.
He needs to go.
Please show me proof you were in practice...
KnicksBigCats - let it go.
Jeremy Lin is in the rotation and his main task is to get acquainted with Amar'e and Tyson Chandler on the pick and roll.
The first time he spots Carmelo with a bounce pass on the break it is a beautiful thing.
rp wrote:KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:D'Antoni had NOTHING to do with "bringing the young guy along."
In fact, if anything, he retarded his growth.
He should have been ahead of Bibby practically from the onset.
Stupid D'Antoni didn't know what he had (and kinda still doesn't know).
Did you see the interview after the Celtic game?
That'll tell you all that you need to know.
But, WHATEVER....drink the kool-aid if you must.
IMO, the guy is NOT the right coach for this team and NOBODY can tell me otherwise.
He needs to go.
Please show me proof you were in practice...
Didn't really need to be in practice to come to that conclusion. All he said about Lin in post game interviews went along the lines of "Lin doesn't figure into our plans, so we'll send him to the D-League," or "I put Lin in this game because things were getting desperate and I was willing to try everything at that point." Believe it or not, it really was kind of a fluke that Lin got to have his game last night.
Uh, how much practice do you think the knicks had during a back to back to back that made Mike'D say, "you're not ready" in game 1 but he was by game 3???
Here's a hint, the team didn't practice with 3 games in 3 nights.......LOL.
Everybody knows MD's job was on the line so he said to hell with it.
The usual MDA bias is back! The kid had talent or else they wouldn't have picked hi
Up!!! The D league stint wasn't a punishment!!! It was to get him some run in order to help speed up the process. Shawne was killing it in practice too but MDA didn't rush him in there. Only biased Knick fans would assume Lin was ready to go from day one, no camp, no practices. You underestimate the situation of a guard coming into a new team not knowing the plays or having played much at all in his career!
nixluva wrote:The usual MDA bias is back! The kid had talent or else they wouldn't have picked hi
Up!!! The D league stint wasn't a punishment!!! It was to get him some run in order to help speed up the process. Shawne was killing it in practice too but MDA didn't rush him in there. Only biased Knick fans would assume Lin was ready to go from day one, no camp, no practices. You underestimate the situation of a guard coming into a new team not knowing the plays or having played much at all in his career!
Oh C'mon!! Why did he not play in the second half in Boston? Even JVG kept questioning him.
mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:The usual MDA bias is back! The kid had talent or else they wouldn't have picked hi
Up!!! The D league stint wasn't a punishment!!! It was to get him some run in order to help speed up the process. Shawne was killing it in practice too but MDA didn't rush him in there. Only biased Knick fans would assume Lin was ready to go from day one, no camp, no practices. You underestimate the situation of a guard coming into a new team not knowing the plays or having played much at all in his career!
Oh C'mon!! Why did he not play in the second half in Boston? Even JVG kept questioning him.
It's called letting a kid end his 1st real stint on a positive note, knowing the C's would turn up the pressure in the 2nd half! An experienced coach knows this. The Nets game was a good opportunity to get Lin a longer look.
All this talk like Lin was automatic is funny. Dude played all of 29 games last year. What proof did anyone really have that Lin was a lock to succeed as an NBA PG? Lots of young PG's have talent and show flashes. For a coach they need to see over time. Lin was behind due to not being in camp and it took Felton and Billups time to get some comfort with the offense. Lin admits he was working with the staff to learn the system. Plus he did have some shaky moments in his early spots. He was given a chance to get his feet wet with little pressure. That allowed him to have a better game.
nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:The usual MDA bias is back! The kid had talent or else they wouldn't have picked hi
Up!!! The D league stint wasn't a punishment!!! It was to get him some run in order to help speed up the process. Shawne was killing it in practice too but MDA didn't rush him in there. Only biased Knick fans would assume Lin was ready to go from day one, no camp, no practices. You underestimate the situation of a guard coming into a new team not knowing the plays or having played much at all in his career!
Oh C'mon!! Why did he not play in the second half in Boston? Even JVG kept questioning him.
It's called letting a kid end his 1st real stint on a positive note, knowing the C's would turn up the pressure in the 2nd half! An experienced coach knows this. The Nets game was a good opportunity to get Lin a longer look.
All this talk like Lin was automatic is funny. Dude played all of 29 games last year. What proof did anyone really have that Lin was a lock to succeed as an NBA PG? Lots of young PG's have talent and show flashes. For a coach they need to see over time. Lin was behind due to not being in camp and it took Felton and Billups time to get some comfort with the offense. Lin admits he was working with the staff to learn the system. Plus he did have some shaky moments in his early spots. He was given a chance to get his feet wet with little pressure. That allowed him to have a better game.
So their PG play was putrid, Lin comes in, does an impressive job, and you just give the coach a pass for sitting him so he can "go out on a high"?
C'mon, I really respect your posts and you make very strong arguments often but this (IMHO) is wearing blinders just to stick to your defense of MDA. Can't you just once in a while disagree with one of his moves? Everyone makes mistakes, even MDA. It's too partisan!
mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:The usual MDA bias is back! The kid had talent or else they wouldn't have picked hi
Up!!! The D league stint wasn't a punishment!!! It was to get him some run in order to help speed up the process. Shawne was killing it in practice too but MDA didn't rush him in there. Only biased Knick fans would assume Lin was ready to go from day one, no camp, no practices. You underestimate the situation of a guard coming into a new team not knowing the plays or having played much at all in his career!
Oh C'mon!! Why did he not play in the second half in Boston? Even JVG kept questioning him.
It's called letting a kid end his 1st real stint on a positive note, knowing the C's would turn up the pressure in the 2nd half! An experienced coach knows this. The Nets game was a good opportunity to get Lin a longer look.
All this talk like Lin was automatic is funny. Dude played all of 29 games last year. What proof did anyone really have that Lin was a lock to succeed as an NBA PG? Lots of young PG's have talent and show flashes. For a coach they need to see over time. Lin was behind due to not being in camp and it took Felton and Billups time to get some comfort with the offense. Lin admits he was working with the staff to learn the system. Plus he did have some shaky moments in his early spots. He was given a chance to get his feet wet with little pressure. That allowed him to have a better game.
So their PG play was putrid, Lin comes in, does an impressive job, and you just give the coach a pass for sitting him so he can "go out on a high"?
C'mon, I really respect your posts and you make very strong arguments often but this (IMHO) is wearing blinders just to stick to your defense of MDA. Can't you just once in a while disagree with one of his moves? Everyone makes mistakes, even MDA. It's too partisan!
Lin comment from Frank Isola article “They told me that I was going to play against Boston and that helped me get ready mentally,” Lin said. “It didn’t go that well for me and it was a long night. But that is the way this business works. You’re only as good as your last game and I’m glad we had another game quick.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-knicks-adopt-a-jeremy-lin-article-1.1017523#ixzz1la5NoEPn
rp wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:The usual MDA bias is back! The kid had talent or else they wouldn't have picked hi
Up!!! The D league stint wasn't a punishment!!! It was to get him some run in order to help speed up the process. Shawne was killing it in practice too but MDA didn't rush him in there. Only biased Knick fans would assume Lin was ready to go from day one, no camp, no practices. You underestimate the situation of a guard coming into a new team not knowing the plays or having played much at all in his career!
Oh C'mon!! Why did he not play in the second half in Boston? Even JVG kept questioning him.
It's called letting a kid end his 1st real stint on a positive note, knowing the C's would turn up the pressure in the 2nd half! An experienced coach knows this. The Nets game was a good opportunity to get Lin a longer look.
All this talk like Lin was automatic is funny. Dude played all of 29 games last year. What proof did anyone really have that Lin was a lock to succeed as an NBA PG? Lots of young PG's have talent and show flashes. For a coach they need to see over time. Lin was behind due to not being in camp and it took Felton and Billups time to get some comfort with the offense. Lin admits he was working with the staff to learn the system. Plus he did have some shaky moments in his early spots. He was given a chance to get his feet wet with little pressure. That allowed him to have a better game.
So their PG play was putrid, Lin comes in, does an impressive job, and you just give the coach a pass for sitting him so he can "go out on a high"?
C'mon, I really respect your posts and you make very strong arguments often but this (IMHO) is wearing blinders just to stick to your defense of MDA. Can't you just once in a while disagree with one of his moves? Everyone makes mistakes, even MDA. It's too partisan!
Lin comment from Frank Isola article “They told me that I was going to play against Boston and that helped me get ready mentally,” Lin said. “It didn’t go that well for me and it was a long night. But that is the way this business works. You’re only as good as your last game and I’m glad we had another game quick.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-knicks-adopt-a-jeremy-lin-article-1.1017523#ixzz1la5NoEPn
So you think he did not play well enough to warrant second half minutes? I thought he did. JVG certainly thought so (and seem quite preplexed).
I am glad that he thought it did not "go well". He does not sell himself short and is a tough kid but he played well and sparked the damn team! TD was his usual horrendous self - was that better? MDA trusted him more? In sports you ride something and I thought he did not.
To his credit (MDA), I do think that he saw enough to put him in his plans but I just did not get the Boston game. Just my opinion.
mrKnickShot wrote:rp wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:The usual MDA bias is back! The kid had talent or else they wouldn't have picked hi
Up!!! The D league stint wasn't a punishment!!! It was to get him some run in order to help speed up the process. Shawne was killing it in practice too but MDA didn't rush him in there. Only biased Knick fans would assume Lin was ready to go from day one, no camp, no practices. You underestimate the situation of a guard coming into a new team not knowing the plays or having played much at all in his career!
Oh C'mon!! Why did he not play in the second half in Boston? Even JVG kept questioning him.
It's called letting a kid end his 1st real stint on a positive note, knowing the C's would turn up the pressure in the 2nd half! An experienced coach knows this. The Nets game was a good opportunity to get Lin a longer look.
All this talk like Lin was automatic is funny. Dude played all of 29 games last year. What proof did anyone really have that Lin was a lock to succeed as an NBA PG? Lots of young PG's have talent and show flashes. For a coach they need to see over time. Lin was behind due to not being in camp and it took Felton and Billups time to get some comfort with the offense. Lin admits he was working with the staff to learn the system. Plus he did have some shaky moments in his early spots. He was given a chance to get his feet wet with little pressure. That allowed him to have a better game.
So their PG play was putrid, Lin comes in, does an impressive job, and you just give the coach a pass for sitting him so he can "go out on a high"?
C'mon, I really respect your posts and you make very strong arguments often but this (IMHO) is wearing blinders just to stick to your defense of MDA. Can't you just once in a while disagree with one of his moves? Everyone makes mistakes, even MDA. It's too partisan!
Lin comment from Frank Isola article “They told me that I was going to play against Boston and that helped me get ready mentally,” Lin said. “It didn’t go that well for me and it was a long night. But that is the way this business works. You’re only as good as your last game and I’m glad we had another game quick.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-knicks-adopt-a-jeremy-lin-article-1.1017523#ixzz1la5NoEPn
So you think he did not play well enough to warrant second half minutes? I thought he did. JVG certainly thought so (and seem quite preplexed).
I am glad that he thought it did not "go well". He does not sell himself short and is a tough kid but he played well and sparked the damn team! TD was his usual horrendous self - was that better? MDA trusted him more? In sports you ride something and I thought he did not.
To his credit (MDA), I do think that he saw enough to put him in his plans but I just did not get the Boston game. Just my opinion.
It's his words not mine, take it for what it is.
I just posted a New thread that backs up what i've been saying about the benefits of the time that MDA took to allow Lin time to learn the system. There really weren't any practice days and it takes time to learn the system, even if you're talented. You need to get a feel for it and not just get thrown in there. There are benefits to bringing a player along at a gradual pace until they show that they are ready for more.
I read the article - does not address the Boston second half decision. Also, it states:
Rookie Iman Shumpert, the current starter, Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby have failed to master D’Antoni’s system. The Knicks view Shumpert as a shooting guard or small forward. Douglas has been a train wreck, and Bibby, who has not played in four straight games, appears shot.
Why did TD not go to the D-League to study MDA's system? Was he better equipt to run the offense? TD leads the knicks in 3 pt attempts at about 25 pct. Did MDA need to allow to keep chucking? NO EXCUSE!! And don't say that he cannot control the players - he controls TD. He just believes that no matter what, if you are open you shoot. From anywhere. I don't agree with that philosophy - If your guy is pissing on the toilet seat you tell him to stop! Rondo can't shoot - is he jacking up 3's? NO!!! He needs to be able to adjust the damn system.
We are splitting hairs cause we both want ultimate success out of this kid but I am just frustrated with some of his stubborn moves.
mrKnickShot wrote:I read the article - does not address the Boston second half decision. Also, it states:Rookie Iman Shumpert, the current starter, Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby have failed to master D’Antoni’s system. The Knicks view Shumpert as a shooting guard or small forward. Douglas has been a train wreck, and Bibby, who has not played in four straight games, appears shot.
Why did TD not go to the D-League to study MDA's system? Was he better equipt to run the offense? TD leads the knicks in 3 pt attempts at about 25 pct. Did MDA need to allow to keep chucking? NO EXCUSE!! And don't say that he cannot control the players - he controls TD. He just believes that no matter what, if you are open you shoot. From anywhere. I don't agree with that philosophy - If your guy is pissing on the toilet seat you tell him to stop! Rondo can't shoot - is he jacking up 3's? NO!!! He needs to be able to adjust the damn system.
We are splitting hairs cause we both want ultimate success out of this kid but I am just frustrated with some of his stubborn moves.
Don't be silly. You're making silly arguments because this is the same system that produced the most efficient scoring in the league!!! Not just crazy run and gun, but the MOST EFFICIENT OFFENSE IN THE LEAGUE! So you want to say that the fault lies with MDA rather than players not running it properly?
Also as for Lin, the article explains that Lin was disappointed in being sent to the D league initially but now realizes it was for the best.
Lin was disappointed the Knicks sent him to the D-League for two games last month. But Lin posted a triple-double at the new D-League affiliate in Erie that runs D’Antoni’s offense. The Knicks brought him back to face Davis in scrimmages on non-practice days, and a funny thing happened — Lin outplayed Davis.“It was rough for me,’’ Lin said of the D-League demotion. “Looking back, it was exactly what I needed. Inside it gave me confidence just because it was first time I played in Coach D’Antoni’s system. Just to get a feel for it.’’
I'm not just blindly backing up the coach. The man is making smart decisions and NY fans seem incapable of giving him credit for being a good coach. Dude won as a coach in Europe and is a legend. Come here and proves to have a very efficient style of BB. Now here we didn't have a PG that could run the system, but when we did, with Felton things worked at a high level. #2 in scoring and #5 in efficiency!!! MDA gives Lin the best chance to succeed by trying got find a way for him to get reps in this offense despite the lack of practice days and it proves to be a good thing in the words of Lin himself!!! We have a good coach, but people need to stop hating on him.
nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:I read the article - does not address the Boston second half decision. Also, it states:Rookie Iman Shumpert, the current starter, Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby have failed to master D’Antoni’s system. The Knicks view Shumpert as a shooting guard or small forward. Douglas has been a train wreck, and Bibby, who has not played in four straight games, appears shot.
Why did TD not go to the D-League to study MDA's system? Was he better equipt to run the offense? TD leads the knicks in 3 pt attempts at about 25 pct. Did MDA need to allow to keep chucking? NO EXCUSE!! And don't say that he cannot control the players - he controls TD. He just believes that no matter what, if you are open you shoot. From anywhere. I don't agree with that philosophy - If your guy is pissing on the toilet seat you tell him to stop! Rondo can't shoot - is he jacking up 3's? NO!!! He needs to be able to adjust the damn system.
We are splitting hairs cause we both want ultimate success out of this kid but I am just frustrated with some of his stubborn moves.
Don't be silly. You're making silly arguments because this is the same system that produced the most efficient scoring in the league!!! Not just crazy run and gun, but the MOST EFFICIENT OFFENSE IN THE LEAGUE! So you want to say that the fault lies with MDA rather than players not running it properly?
Also as for Lin, the article explains that Lin was disappointed in being sent to the D league initially but now realizes it was for the best.
Lin was disappointed the Knicks sent him to the D-League for two games last month. But Lin posted a triple-double at the new D-League affiliate in Erie that runs D’Antoni’s offense. The Knicks brought him back to face Davis in scrimmages on non-practice days, and a funny thing happened — Lin outplayed Davis.“It was rough for me,’’ Lin said of the D-League demotion. “Looking back, it was exactly what I needed. Inside it gave me confidence just because it was first time I played in Coach D’Antoni’s system. Just to get a feel for it.’’
I'm not just blindly backing up the coach. The man is making smart decisions and NY fans seem incapable of giving him credit for being a good coach. Dude won as a coach in Europe and is a legend. Come here and proves to have a very efficient style of BB. Now here we didn't have a PG that could run the system, but when we did, with Felton things worked at a high level. #2 in scoring and #5 in efficiency!!! MDA gives Lin the best chance to succeed by trying got find a way for him to get reps in this offense despite the lack of practice days and it proves to be a good thing in the words of Lin himself!!! We have a good coach, but people need to stop hating on him.
I don't hate him - he just frustrates the hell out of me sometimes with his stubborness. Just ask Steve Kerr. I actually hope he succeeds not fails (so he gets fired).
Just answer the question:
1. Does TD have the green light to shoot 3's? If yes, at the pace that he is shooting them? I believe he has the green light whereas Rondo has the red light
2. Why has TD not been sent to learn his system in the D-League for a few games if he is having such a hard time grasping it (as Berman states)? He can't grasp it and we have him performing the phuck and chuck? You will say that he is getting PT here so why go to the D-League. Lin needed PT. Perhaps but he ain't figuring it out here. Maybe we should D-League him to get his confidence back ... who knows - just don't shoot!
He believes that the system requires the PG to pop from anywhere if he is opened, and, that might work if he had a good PG but not TD. So, can he bend a little and change it up a bit so TD passes up the damn 3? At least sometimes? I understand that it's hard to tell Melo what to do due to his status but TD? That's all I ask for - just a little less rigidity. A little more flexibility.
If Coughlin can soften up a bit MDA can too.
mrKnickShot wrote:
Just answer the question:1. Does TD have the green light to shoot 3's? If yes, at the pace that he is shooting them? I believe he has the green light whereas Rondo has the red light
2. Why has TD not been sent to learn his system in the D-League for a few games if he is having such a hard time grasping it (as Berman states)? He can't grasp it and we have him performing the phuck and chuck? You will say that he is getting PT here so why go to the D-League. Lin needed PT. Perhaps but he ain't figuring it out here. Maybe we should D-League him to get his confidence back ... who knows - just don't shoot!
He believes that the system requires the PG to pop from anywhere if he is opened, and, that might work if he had a good PG but not TD. So, can he bend a little and change it up a bit so TD passes up the damn 3? At least sometimes? I understand that it's hard to tell Melo what to do due to his status but TD? That's all I ask for - just a little less rigidity. A little more flexibility.
If Coughlin can soften up a bit MDA can too.
Players have the green light to shoot GOOD shots that come within the flow of the offense. His system is designed to work with very little fuss once you get it down it's almost instinctive, which is why it can be so effective. Just so you know. TD shot 37% from 3 last year and 39% the year before. A coach is going to show patience with a player that has shown he can shoot.
You don't send a vet to the D league!!! IT's not that TD doesn't know the plays, he lacks the talent to execute them. He's not confident in his dribble and doesn't like to operate in traffic. He doesn't have good court vision and isn't accurate with his passes. His main thing is Defense and Scoring.
MDA can tell any of his players what to do. He expresses what he wants them to do all the time. The problems we've had is that some guys simply can't execute. Funny tho how good things look when we have players that can execute. To bad we lost players that proved they could execute. Still it's not over. We'll see what happens the rest of the year.
