Knicks · How to prevent stupid injuries (page 1)

ramtour420 @ 2/6/2012 8:09 PM
Stockton and Malone had an extensive stretch routine they did before every game. Both have had long careers and avoided injuries. Cold muscles= pulled muscles. Ala Eddy Curry. Our guys need to warm up better before games so that we don't get his with stupid injuries like the sprained groin that Melo suffered.
mrKnickShot @ 2/6/2012 8:50 PM
Don't know. Alot of that is DNA.

Melo, however, def does not looked ripped

ramtour420 @ 2/6/2012 11:48 PM
Telling you, pregame stretching is one of the most underrated ways to prevent injury. Stockton and Malone had a routine they did before every game
ChuckBuck @ 2/6/2012 11:54 PM

He should do that Insanity or P90x workout to be more limber and get rid of the chubs

yellowboy90 @ 2/7/2012 12:09 AM
He is not chubby but he is not defined either. Also the padding he wears under his jersey doesn't help.
GustavBahler @ 2/7/2012 12:19 AM
There is actually some debate over this. Here is an article on the subject.

http://www.elitesoccerconditioning.com/S...


Many coaches advocate the use of static stretching prior to exercise. Static stretching involves reaching forward to a point of tension and holding the stretch. Static stretching has been used through out the years for two main reasons: injury prevention and performance enhancement. (1) Does static stretching prior to activity achieve the goals of injury prevention and performance enhancement? Research has shown that static stretching can be detrimental to performance and doesn’t necessarily lead to decreases in injury. Below are a few studies done on the topic of static stretching:

Rod Pope an army physiotherapist in Australia, recently carried out a wide study to assess the relationship between static stretching and injury prevention. Pope monitored over 1600 recruits over the course of a year in randomised controlled trials. He found no differences in the occurrence of injury between those recruits who statically stretched and those who did not. (1, 2)

“Gleim & McHugh (1997), would also challenge the premise that stretching, or indeed increased flexibility, reduces the risk of injury” (1,3)

New research has shown that static stretching decreases eccentric strength for up to an hour after the stretch. Static stretching has been shown to decrease muscle strength by up to 9% for 60 minutes following the stretch and decrease eccentric strength by 7% followed by a specific hamstring stretch. (4)

Rosenbaum and Hennig showed that static stretching reduced peak force by 5% and the rate of force production by 8%. This study was about Achilles tendon reflex activity. (5)

Gerard van der poel stated that static stretching caused a specific decrease in the specific coordination of explosive movements. (4)

Three 15-second stretches of the hamstrings, quadriceps, and calf muscles reduced the peak vertical velocity of a vertical jump in the majority of subjects (Knudson et al. 2000). (6,7)

Moscov (1993) found that there is no relationship between static flexibility and dynamic flexibility. This suggests that an increased static range of motion may not be translated into functional, sport-specific flexibility, which is largely dynamic in most sporting situations (1)

Static based stretching programs seem best suited following an activity. (8)

mrKnickShot @ 2/7/2012 12:47 AM
GustavBahler wrote:There is actually some debate over this. Here is an article on the subject.

http://www.elitesoccerconditioning.com/S...


Many coaches advocate the use of static stretching prior to exercise. Static stretching involves reaching forward to a point of tension and holding the stretch. Static stretching has been used through out the years for two main reasons: injury prevention and performance enhancement. (1) Does static stretching prior to activity achieve the goals of injury prevention and performance enhancement? Research has shown that static stretching can be detrimental to performance and doesn’t necessarily lead to decreases in injury. Below are a few studies done on the topic of static stretching:

Rod Pope an army physiotherapist in Australia, recently carried out a wide study to assess the relationship between static stretching and injury prevention. Pope monitored over 1600 recruits over the course of a year in randomised controlled trials. He found no differences in the occurrence of injury between those recruits who statically stretched and those who did not. (1, 2)

“Gleim & McHugh (1997), would also challenge the premise that stretching, or indeed increased flexibility, reduces the risk of injury” (1,3)

New research has shown that static stretching decreases eccentric strength for up to an hour after the stretch. Static stretching has been shown to decrease muscle strength by up to 9% for 60 minutes following the stretch and decrease eccentric strength by 7% followed by a specific hamstring stretch. (4)

Rosenbaum and Hennig showed that static stretching reduced peak force by 5% and the rate of force production by 8%. This study was about Achilles tendon reflex activity. (5)

Gerard van der poel stated that static stretching caused a specific decrease in the specific coordination of explosive movements. (4)

Three 15-second stretches of the hamstrings, quadriceps, and calf muscles reduced the peak vertical velocity of a vertical jump in the majority of subjects (Knudson et al. 2000). (6,7)

Moscov (1993) found that there is no relationship between static flexibility and dynamic flexibility. This suggests that an increased static range of motion may not be translated into functional, sport-specific flexibility, which is largely dynamic in most sporting situations (1)

Static based stretching programs seem best suited following an activity. (8)

Wow - my A.D.D was just jump started big time

y2zipper @ 2/7/2012 1:03 AM
Injury prevention is mostly luck. People don't like to hear that, but depth is the best way to prevent injury.
mrKnickShot @ 2/7/2012 1:05 AM
D.N.A + some luck

Is shumpert unlucky cause hes a cramper?

ramtour420 @ 2/7/2012 1:32 AM
Alright. game injuries = luck? Sure, if you land the wrong way on someone's foot or break your wrist one might say is luck. But if we were to talk about pulling muscles, those are "stupid injuries" that can be avoided by stretching. I am not making this up, this is taken directly from Clyde Frazier when he was referring to Stockton and Malone pre game stretching regimen. Clyde said that they BOTH have been doing it, this extensive set of exercises for years and it is one of the main reasons why they BOTH were able to have incredibly long, injury free careers.
mrKnickShot @ 2/7/2012 1:40 AM
I gotcha - but some players are just injury prone. Griffey Jr? He was always in incredible shape. Players have bad knees ... don't heal as well ...

With all DNA being equal - exercise regimen is crucial.

ramtour420 @ 2/7/2012 1:46 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:I gotcha - but some players are just injury prone. Griffey Jr? He was always in incredible shape. Players have bad knees ... don't heal as well ...

With all DNA being equal - exercise regimen is crucial.

yeah, some guys are just fragile. Greg Oden is another example

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