I thought Melo played in the New Jersey game so how is the team 5-0 without him? If you want to make your point why not do it correctly? Also this is not just about Lin it is about Novak too. There is a ig difference when he shoots and when everyone else shoots. Novak was not playing with Melo. People just need to wait and see because what Melo allows is for good defensive teams to stay honest. You want to put Lebron on Lin o.k. who is going to stop Melo on the block? The same goes for the Bulls who big men, minus Boozer, can switch and cover teams pgs.
Every good team has an Iso player and uses him. So will the Knicks.
This team is in a different place from where we started. We needed a star and got STAT. We needed a Closer and that's what Melo does best. We needed a Defensive Center and we got one of the best in the league. We needed a PG and lucked upon a kid that fits perfectly in MDA's system and gets this team playing TEAM BALL. Lin is the director of the offense that we lacked. There's no way that MDA or the other players will allow one player to mess up what has been going on.
Those arguing against Melo are really being shortsighted. Melo is a bit of a ball stopper, but he's also shown that he's willing to be a team player. He had that game where he passed the ball when he couldn't hit a shot. I think now with a PG Melo can pick his spots more and not feel he has to do everything and force things. I really don't think there's gonna be a major problem. Sure they'll need time to get the chemistry going again, but aside from that I think they'll blend just fine.
I agree with OP, we have to get rid of this guy ASAP. My guarantee holds, we lose first two with Melo back.
Guy doesn't have it in him to ball with a team.
You cite last second shots, yea but It's his play that gets you in that position to begin with. He ain't Kobe or LeBron. He is Bernard King.
I agree with OP, we have to get rid of this guy ASAP. My guarantee holds, we lose first two with Melo back.
Guy doesn't have it in him to ball with a team.
You cite last second shots, yea but It's his play that gets you in that position to begin with. He ain't Kobe or LeBron. He is Bernard King.
WindsorPl wrote:Knicks are 8-15 with Melo. 5-0 without him. Ee dominates the ball. He is a high volume shooter and he does not even shoot it at a good clip. He needs to change or he will be ran out of town. That simple.
Thought it was more like 9-13 with and 4-2 without.
Melo missed 7 games this year. Doesn't really matter though, this talk is all moot when Melo gets back.
Nobodies on the hook...........I still don't like MDA, but even he is off the hook for now.
Denver has been better since the trade and the Knicks have been worse. Melo is a great talent, but he needs to fit in to a team offense with crisp ball movement. Willis Reed did it; Dave DeBusschere did it; Walt Frazier did it. That's why we've had two championships. If we're going to contend for another one, Melo has to do it, too. If he can and will play team ball, I hope we keep him. If not, I hope we don't.
Some of you people are amazing. The Knicks play well for a stretch and now it's trade MELO & Chandler - the guy whose been beasting for us for Mr. Overrated himself, Dwight Howard?
The problem with this team up to the last week was no PG. We lucked out and now have J Lin. Add STAT and a guy who has the best mid range game in the business and we're in business. Does anyone really think that Melo won't hit all those wide open looks that Walker has been getting!?
The Knicks have also been on this win streak without STAT. Let's trade STAT?! We haven't had a solid roster that could be contenders in over 10 years. We're finally close and people want to blow up the team again. Not only that but blow up the team for a guy who isn't much of an upgrade over our current C!
Please become fans of the Nets or something....some of you guys make me sick!
BigRedDog wrote:islesfan wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:No one's gonna trade something valuable for Melo right now. He's had surgeries and tons of injuries in the past year and is not playing well.
That's absurd to say his trade value isn't still very high.
Bonn has an agenda and its obvious he dislikes Melo. Don't let facts get in the way of his agenda.
Define "agenda." Who doesn't have one? Even if it's to quite dissent (which appears to be yours), everyone has one.
holfresh wrote:WindsorPl wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Thread is pure comedy.Bulls are like 5-1 without Derrick Rose. Doesn't mean the Bulls don't need Rose.
Melo is the Knicks best player. Suggesting Melo adjust is like telling Lebron to adjust his game for Norris Cole. 
Knicks are not the Bulls nor the Heat. Look at the records. If they were, we would not be having this discussion.
Being best player on 8-15 team is not much to brag about.
Miami won six straight without Wade...Maybe they should release him
Yeah, but they win a lot of games *with* him too (same with the Bulls and Rose, Anu). It's not Wade or Rose went down and then the trajectory of their franchise turned around.
islesfan wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:No one's gonna trade something valuable for Melo right now. He's had surgeries and tons of injuries in the past year and is not playing well.
That's absurd to say his trade value isn't still very high.
I don't see teams giving up a lot for a guy that takes 20 shots a game and hits 39%. The injuries, surgeries, and improved play of his teams without him only raise more concerns. You're saying his trade value isn't just high but it's *very* high? And it's absurd to say that it isn't *very* high? Really?
Fans think they are empowered and their opinions are substantial.
Manage a fantasy team is not like real life.
Melo has not played with the likes of a creator PG. Iverson and BIllups are great players but not the passing type Lin is.
Andre Miller is closer.
Im not going to break down film of Denver's record the last 7 years. The bottom line is there are way too many variables to consider.
One is that Jeremy Lin canoot play 38 minutes and jack up 20 plus shots each nite. You can't extrapolate the last 5 games into the future.
From what I have seen, It would appear that Melo is making strides this season where he is being asked to do more than ever before. Be a ball facilitator at times is not an easy task.
Let him be what he does best, be one of the games better finishers!
And when you need a closer, there he is.
Tune in.
Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:WindsorPl wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Thread is pure comedy.Bulls are like 5-1 without Derrick Rose. Doesn't mean the Bulls don't need Rose.
Melo is the Knicks best player. Suggesting Melo adjust is like telling Lebron to adjust his game for Norris Cole.
Knicks are not the Bulls nor the Heat. Look at the records. If they were, we would not be having this discussion.
Being best player on 8-15 team is not much to brag about.
Miami won six straight without Wade...Maybe they should release him
Yeah, but they win a lot of games *with* him too (same with the Bulls and Rose, Anu). It's not Wade or Rose went down and then the trajectory of their franchise turned around.
So in your mind, the recent win streak is a result of Melo sitting instead of the emergence of Jeremy Lin?
Nalod wrote:Fans think they are empowered and their opinions are substantial.Manage a fantasy team is not like real life.
Melo has not played with the likes of a creator PG. Iverson and BIllups are great players but not the passing type Lin is.
Andre Miller is closer.
Im not going to break down film of Denver's record the last 7 years. The bottom line is there are way too many variables to consider.
One is that Jeremy Lin canoot play 38 minutes and jack up 20 plus shots each nite. You can't extrapolate the last 5 games into the future.
From what I have seen, It would appear that Melo is making strides this season where he is being asked to do more than ever before. Be a ball facilitator at times is not an easy task.
Let him be what he does best, be one of the games better finishers!
And when you need a closer, there he is.
Tune in.
I think people are jumping to conclusions with Lin. Billups has had whole seasons of 7 or 8 assists/game and a 3 or 4 to 1 A/TO ratio. It's premature to put Lin up in (yet alone above) that category. What I've seen while watching Lin is an exciting, explosive young player who often struggled with decision-making.
MaTT4281 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:holfresh wrote:WindsorPl wrote:AnubisADL wrote:Thread is pure comedy.Bulls are like 5-1 without Derrick Rose. Doesn't mean the Bulls don't need Rose.
Melo is the Knicks best player. Suggesting Melo adjust is like telling Lebron to adjust his game for Norris Cole.
Knicks are not the Bulls nor the Heat. Look at the records. If they were, we would not be having this discussion.
Being best player on 8-15 team is not much to brag about.
Miami won six straight without Wade...Maybe they should release him
Yeah, but they win a lot of games *with* him too (same with the Bulls and Rose, Anu). It's not Wade or Rose went down and then the trajectory of their franchise turned around.
So in your mind, the recent win streak is a result of Melo sitting instead of the emergence of Jeremy Lin?
Why are you presenting them as mutually exclusive explanations?
Bonn1997 wrote:Nalod wrote:Fans think they are empowered and their opinions are substantial.Manage a fantasy team is not like real life.
Melo has not played with the likes of a creator PG. Iverson and BIllups are great players but not the passing type Lin is.
Andre Miller is closer.
Im not going to break down film of Denver's record the last 7 years. The bottom line is there are way too many variables to consider.
One is that Jeremy Lin canoot play 38 minutes and jack up 20 plus shots each nite. You can't extrapolate the last 5 games into the future.
From what I have seen, It would appear that Melo is making strides this season where he is being asked to do more than ever before. Be a ball facilitator at times is not an easy task.
Let him be what he does best, be one of the games better finishers!
And when you need a closer, there he is.
Tune in.
I think people are jumping to conclusions with Lin. Billups has had whole seasons of 7 or 8 assists/game and a 3 or 4 to 1 A/TO ratio. It's premature to put Lin up in (yet alone above) that category. What I've seen while watching Lin is an exciting, explosive young player who often struggled with decision-making.
Have you been watching the games? All of them?
I can't vouch for Lin's game in GS, but the garbage time he got before he got was never more than a few players eating the clock and getting a few baskets.
"Defer" is not like Melo and Amare will take a subservient role, but Lin is the QB and he starts the play.
tune it and see how it happens. It won't be just one game. Mistakes will be made.
nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Dwight's taken worst supporting casts than what we'd have left after this trade to 55 win seasons. Sign me up.
Meh! DH is a beast, but he's also a very flawed player in many ways. I think you undersell the impact of STAT, Melo, Tyson and Lin. That right there can be a very potent combo that is harder to handle that DH and his post game. Sure DH is a one man interior defense and rebound machine, but we have a very good collection of players already and I don't believe we become a vastly better team subtracting those guys and adding DH. It doesn't always work that way.
Right now with Lin teams will have a VERY hard time trying to stop our offense. The team also becomes deeper and so I feel very good about this team as it is. All we need is to have DH come and then twist his ankle and that bad supporting cast is less effective. Here we have more players and can survive injury to one guy.
Lin is a surprise to everyone... Before he played LA Kobe admitted he'd never even heard of him... What happens when teams can actually prepare for him, and everyone knows his game... Are you all truly expecting someone that was cut by countless teams to still perform when teams know what's coming? I pray that Lin can rise to the occasion and be consistent, but I don't want to put my hopes on a guy that was barely a twelfth man before last week.
Also, everyone seems to be missing the other pieces we'd be able to add without Melo. Namely JR Smith and Wilson Chandler (who never should've traded in the first place). ALSO how is no one holding Melo accountable for ripping the Knicks apart when he knew he was coming here anyway!!! See his wife's reality show negotiations prior to the trade if you don't believe it.
If he can prove himself a team player... Great!! Otherwise the only other way Melo, stat, and Lin can co-exist is if you bring in Phil Jackson and put those three in the triangle. Melo is a one trick pony... Great offense, average rebounder, and poor defender. If you disagree you should check your mancrush at the door.
Would Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony be a problem? This is a NON issue manufactured to sell newspapers. Notice how Marc Berman mentions the salary of the two stars to stir the pot. I smell resentment.
holfresh wrote:JCrusher wrote:melo has a lot to prove. sorry buts the truth . Amare came here last year and helped the knicks. Lin started last week without two stars and we are 5-0. since melo has come here and the knicks have had a worse record. Belive me i wish i was wrong but that has been the truth so far. Lin needs to control the ball and amare should be the main option and when they double amare lin has melo and novak on the perimeter
Melo has nothing to prove...Absolutely nothing..He may be the best scorer in the league, period..Like every other young player in this league, what if Lin's game falls off...U really think he will continue at this pace, really??..U are just a poster, keep that in mind...
Aslo, I will guarantee you right now the Knicks won't beat teams like the Heat and Bulls without Carmelo..Won't happen...U have gulped the kool-Aid to the point where you are not making sense...
How can you say Melo has nothing to prove? There are four players in the league that can say that right now. Kobe, Paul pierce, dirk, and Duncan because they led their teams to titles by putting then on their backs. Maybe Melo should at least lead a team to the finals before you say he has nothing left to prove. There have been countless great scorers that couldn't lead their teams anywhere because they don't have that drive that makes them refuse to lose, to work hard at every level of their game, and make their teammates better. Reggie Miller is the first to come to mind. Karl Malone (at least he could board too though, and got Utah to one final.)
Explain to me why Melo isn't a shut down defender I he's so great? He certainly has the strength and speed. Must be the lack of drive to raise his game on that end of the court, or maybe he's just exhausted from heaving thirty shots a night. Kobe plays D, pierce plays D, hell even dirk raised his game on the defensive end. Why not Melo?
Nalod wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Nalod wrote:Fans think they are empowered and their opinions are substantial.Manage a fantasy team is not like real life.
Melo has not played with the likes of a creator PG. Iverson and BIllups are great players but not the passing type Lin is.
Andre Miller is closer.
Im not going to break down film of Denver's record the last 7 years. The bottom line is there are way too many variables to consider.
One is that Jeremy Lin canoot play 38 minutes and jack up 20 plus shots each nite. You can't extrapolate the last 5 games into the future.
From what I have seen, It would appear that Melo is making strides this season where he is being asked to do more than ever before. Be a ball facilitator at times is not an easy task.
Let him be what he does best, be one of the games better finishers!
And when you need a closer, there he is.
Tune in.
I think people are jumping to conclusions with Lin. Billups has had whole seasons of 7 or 8 assists/game and a 3 or 4 to 1 A/TO ratio. It's premature to put Lin up in (yet alone above) that category. What I've seen while watching Lin is an exciting, explosive young player who often struggled with decision-making.
Have you been watching the games? All of them?
Yes, (since Lin started) that's why I'm amazed by people's responses here. Lin's made some great passes and shown great scoring abilities but he's also had about 25 turnovers in the last 4 games.
holfresh wrote:If you are a Knicks fan, which I'm beginning to question, U better pray that Melo isn't listening to the chirping from section 401 and he is indeed the same player we traded half the team for last year...Check out his Stats against Boston last playoffs...Let me know what he has to prove...
Scoring a ton of points doesn't win you titles... Just ask Iverson... You have to make your teammates better, involve them in the game. Not just outscore your opponent on he stat sheet. Besides Melo's D, while better than the regular season, wasn't getting us past Boston.
Here is the only stat that should matter and there is no argument against it... We have a losing record with Melo!!! Period
holfresh wrote:JCrusher wrote:holfresh wrote:JCrusher wrote:holfresh wrote:JCrusher wrote:holfresh wrote:If you are a Knicks fan, which I'm beginning to question...U better pray that Melo isn't listening to the chirping from section 401 and he is indeed the same player we traded half the team for last year...Check out his Stats against Boston last playoffs...Let me know what he has to prove...
been a knicks fan all my life. grew up with the great 90's teams that were only spoiled becaue of mj. I could give two shits about personal stats. Of course melo puts up stats i want wins. look i know you are a MAJOR melo fan but you act like he is some hot broad you want to fuck lol. I mean in your world he is best player ever. Its ok to point out his flaws it doesn't mean you are vbeing a bad fan it means you are being objective. The problem is that you go on a tangent and dont make sense. Trading melo isn't the answer i never said it was. the best thing to do is like i said let lin run the offense and break down the defense sho he can kick it out to melo or novak or he could set it up for amare or tyson. I agree Lin isn't gonna put up MVP numbers all teh time but there is one thing he has done and that is win. I mean like it or not and for some reason you dont like lin he has helped salvage our season
You are wrong...I'm a major Knick fan and been on a very since the 70's...Forum guy who thinks he has Bobby Knight cred...
did i ever say you weren't a knick fan. im probably the bigegst knick fan so i understand your passion. all i was trying to say is that melo is perfect nobody is sir lol
Bro, don't get it twisted or caught up in the Euphoria...The Knicks need Carmelo, seriously...We needed a PG and looks like we have one, a young one...Our future isn't in BD's hands...I hope he sustains it...
Ok but at least give me this much melo has to adapt a little to lin. what i mean is no more stupid iso plays. i mean at least admit that much
Bro Melo is a top ten player and proven...Do you know what Lin will do next game???..Do you have any clue what will happen when he faces the Heat..U don't..None of us know what commodity Lin is...I'm truly hoping he is will starting at the end of the season cause it might mean good things for the Knicks...
Don't get it twisted... Melo is a top ten scorer, yes! Top ten player... I don't think so.
1. Kobe
2. Rose
3. Lebron
4. Nash
5. Dirk
6. Pierce
7. Duncan
8. Paul
9. Amar'e
10. Howard
11. Wade
All of these men have either won titles, MVP's, or have better all around stats than Melo... Top ten.. Please!!
