Knicks · Game Thread: Raptors ain't about nothin'! 2/14/2012! 7:00 EASTERN! (page 21)

DrAlphaeus @ 2/14/2012 11:11 PM
Anubis is the god of death... he's here to keep us honest on his underworld barge...
matt @ 2/14/2012 11:12 PM
how could there be 18 seconds left on the clock when the Raptors got the ball back with 0.5?
FoeDiddy @ 2/14/2012 11:14 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:Anubis is the god of death... he's here to keep us honest on his underworld barge...

So you're saying he's Isiah Thomas

Knicksfan @ 2/14/2012 11:21 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
misterearl wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:You cant be serious. Sorry, if you take what the defense gives you will lose more games then you win. Of course the defense will give you the 3 instead of penetration.

MEMO: we won

Stop the silliness of debating the imaginary.

Cool. We beat the Craptors by a last second 3 when we had 18 seconds on the clock. Lets all pop bottles.

Sorry but you are SO way off. Has this winning streak made you forget that even with both Melo and Amar'e, against crap teams missing a key player we still found a way to lose and in some nights by a lot? When did we win the championship recently that wins like the last two can be written off?

This is a condensed insane season where anything can happen. We just got Amar'e back, are still riding on the amazing play of Lin, just played a Raptors team that no matter their record have been playing nice lately, going to the wire with the Lakers, and you want to write this win off?

Some fans just love to criticize their team.

StillaKnicksfan @ 2/14/2012 11:21 PM
Even with a win and the team coming together some of us still have to be "Debbie Downers". I will enjoy the ride while it lasts!!! C'mon Man!
AnubisADL @ 2/14/2012 11:40 PM
Guys I dont think you understand where Im coming from. If we had a front court of Deandre Jordan and Griffin I wouldn't care because we'd have a young team that can grow and do damage. Lin would have ample time to develop and we'd still be able to compete.

Chandler and Amare are both 29. I dont think we have 2-3 years to wait while guys develop for us.

matt @ 2/14/2012 11:40 PM
I know this has been answered a million times, but does anyone know where I can download a full game?
MattSuspect @ 2/14/2012 11:41 PM
How can anyone not like the last shot? We have it tied, after fighting to get back, we have the last possession, its a 0% risk 100% reward play for Lin to iso there, no risk of turnover, our worst possible scenario is another 5 minutes. Anyone who wanted to see "ball movement" on that last shot, or wanted to see an attempt earlier must be forgetting that the Raptors had 2 timeouts. That was probably the best end game management we've seen this year.
AnubisADL @ 2/14/2012 11:43 PM
matt wrote:I know this has been answered a million times, but does anyone know where I can download a full game?

http://forum.wiziwig.eu/threads/64773-NB...

markvmc @ 2/15/2012 12:01 AM
MattSuspect wrote:How can anyone not like the last shot? We have it tied, after fighting to get back, we have the last possession, its a 0% risk 100% reward play for Lin to iso there, no risk of turnover, our worst possible scenario is another 5 minutes. Anyone who wanted to see "ball movement" on that last shot, or wanted to see an attempt earlier must be forgetting that the Raptors had 2 timeouts. That was probably the best end game management we've seen this year.

I didn't want to see an earlier shot. But I did want to see "ball movement." I think that "ball movement" wins games more often than a stationary "hold the ball for 17 seconds and have a .174 three point shooter put up a three." (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/linje01.html )

Fair enough, we can't lose if we take the last shot. So I'm not advocating taking an earlier shot...just trying to get a higher percentage shot.

BasketballJones @ 2/15/2012 12:01 AM
I'll take the win.
sealy @ 2/15/2012 12:02 AM
A poster was mentioning in another thread (JR thread) opposing Ds packing the paint to shut down the PnR, which the Raptors did pretty well and it seemed to open up alot of offensive opportunities for Bill Walker. This excites me because that's gonna be Melo instead of Walker in a couple more games.
crzymdups @ 2/15/2012 12:27 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Guys I dont think you understand where Im coming from. If we had a front court of Deandre Jordan and Griffin I wouldn't care because we'd have a young team that can grow and do damage. Lin would have ample time to develop and we'd still be able to compete.

Chandler and Amare are both 29. I dont think we have 2-3 years to wait while guys develop for us.

yeah, if only lin had scored more points than anyone in the history of the NBA in his first 5 starts... oh wait

he's such a slow starter! good one

FoeDiddy @ 2/15/2012 12:44 AM
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Guys I dont think you understand where Im coming from. If we had a front court of Deandre Jordan and Griffin I wouldn't care because we'd have a young team that can grow and do damage. Lin would have ample time to develop and we'd still be able to compete.

Chandler and Amare are both 29. I dont think we have 2-3 years to wait while guys develop for us.

yeah, if only lin had scored more points than anyone in the history of the NBA in his first 5 starts... oh wait

he's such a slow starter! good one

and players suck at 32..oh wait.

MattSuspect @ 2/15/2012 1:00 AM
markvmc wrote:
MattSuspect wrote:How can anyone not like the last shot? We have it tied, after fighting to get back, we have the last possession, its a 0% risk 100% reward play for Lin to iso there, no risk of turnover, our worst possible scenario is another 5 minutes. Anyone who wanted to see "ball movement" on that last shot, or wanted to see an attempt earlier must be forgetting that the Raptors had 2 timeouts. That was probably the best end game management we've seen this year.

I didn't want to see an earlier shot. But I did want to see "ball movement." I think that "ball movement" wins games more often than a stationary "hold the ball for 17 seconds and have a .174 three point shooter put up a three." (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/linje01.html )

Fair enough, we can't lose if we take the last shot. So I'm not advocating taking an earlier shot...just trying to get a higher percentage shot.

Ball movement is great but not in that scenario. Theirs some percent chance they turn the ball over (like rubio did vs us the other night).

gunsnewing @ 2/15/2012 2:02 AM
I rather wind the clock down the way Lin did than miss a shot and leave the other team enough time to call one of their 2 time outs, run a play, get a good shot off and win the game. If Lin had missed I would've taken my chances on caring the momentum into OT
Ira @ 2/15/2012 5:17 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Guys I dont think you understand where Im coming from. If we had a front court of Deandre Jordan and Griffin I wouldn't care because we'd have a young team that can grow and do damage. Lin would have ample time to develop and we'd still be able to compete.

Chandler and Amare are both 29. I dont think we have 2-3 years to wait while guys develop for us.

Anubis, you've made some good points in this discussion. Let me just say this. Lin, right now, is the best point guard we have and right now, he's good enough to win. He does have things in his game that he needs to work on, but just about every point guard does. Certainly, every other point guard that's available to us has issues at least as serious as Lin.

Win with Lin. Go Knicks!

Markji @ 2/15/2012 6:10 AM
The Shot - Lin goes into the zone. Shao-Lin

Markji @ 2/15/2012 6:21 AM
A few more highlights. This is so wild. I've been following the Knicks for 50 years and haven't seen anything like this since the 1969-70 Knicks.

jrodmc @ 2/15/2012 7:19 AM
SIX..... GAME...... WINNING...... STREAK......

THAT MEANS WE'VE WON SIX....GAMES..... IN...... A..... ROW

There just have to be pessimists. They're like ticks. You can't actually fathom what they're good for until they're gone.

Nalod @ 2/15/2012 7:50 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Guys I dont think you understand where Im coming from. If we had a front court of Deandre Jordan and Griffin I wouldn't care because we'd have a young team that can grow and do damage. Lin would have ample time to develop and we'd still be able to compete.

Chandler and Amare are both 29. I dont think we have 2-3 years to wait while guys develop for us.



If you are a non believer you'll be left behind on judgement day!

The last shot:

Toronto:

1. Don't foul


Knicks were set up to Isolate Lin to penetrate and kick out for a jump shot. They were not going to give us anything in the paint. Road teams don't get many calls in the last seconds. If they collapsed on Lin, then who do you want to take the last shot?
Rookie exhausted Shump? Fields? Rusty Amare? Chandler? High % they make a good play and force a turnover. SO they give us a look and remember, the game is tied. Lin was missing foul shots and was tired. Naturally if we hit a few we up 1 or two pts and they are fouling us way earlier. But the game was tied.

So they basically dared us to hit a 3 (don't matter if you lose by 1-2 or 3 pts does it? Given the circumstances I'd say AT BEST its 50-50% given those circumstances, or more like 35% if you factor in fatigue.

Factor Linsanity? Thats a different equation!

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