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islesfan wrote:
If the PG position is the most important piece in his system, don't you think Antoni would have mentioned that to Walsh on Day 1?How many viable point guards have the Knicks passed on in the draft since Antoni has been here? How many in the 2009 draft alone while they were drafting Jordan Hill?
I can only think of Brandon Jennings are there others?
gunsnewing wrote:islesfan wrote:
If the PG position is the most important piece in his system, don't you think Antoni would have mentioned that to Walsh on Day 1?How many viable point guards have the Knicks passed on in the draft since Antoni has been here? How many in the 2009 draft alone while they were drafting Jordan Hill?
I can only think of Brandon Jennings are there others?
Darren Collison is the only other guy I recall. I thought the Knicks should have taken Buddinger or Blair with the 29th pick at the time.
gunsnewing wrote:islesfan wrote:
If the PG position is the most important piece in his system, don't you think Antoni would have mentioned that to Walsh on Day 1?How many viable point guards have the Knicks passed on in the draft since Antoni has been here? How many in the 2009 draft alone while they were drafting Jordan Hill?
I can only think of Brandon Jennings are there others?
Brandon Jennings, Jrue Holliday and Ty Lawson to start.
No matter who we drafted or didn't draft, right now this is the team we have and the coach we have. This is the team MDA was hired to coach. The Coaches and the Players all seem to be having a great time right now. Lebron had one of the best comments regarding Lin. The leagues great players recognize how good D'Antoni is, having been coached by him:
“He’s playing good basketball,” James said of Lin following Tuesday’s win at Indiana. “The best thing that ever happened to him was being in that system with Coach [Mike] D’Antoni. He gives you confidence offensively. It’s a free offense. He lets you play freely. You don’t worry about mistakes. You just worry about just going and playing basketball and just showing your ability. He’s thriving in that system.Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/16/26...
Only dumb ass Knicks fans that can't appreciate anything seem to be blind to the facts.
Only dumb ass Knick fans could look at how the Team fought in the playoffs last year and think that they weren't coached well. MDA has had some awful bad luck in Playoff games, but his teams fought hard. Maybe this time we have some good luck for a change. I think we deserve a break.
nixluva wrote:No matter who we drafted or didn't draft, right now this is the team we have and the coach we have. This is the team MDA was hired to coach. The Coaches and the Players all seem to be having a great time right now. Lebron had one of the best comments regarding Lin. The leagues great players recognize how good D'Antoni is, having been coached by him:“He’s playing good basketball,” James said of Lin following Tuesday’s win at Indiana. “The best thing that ever happened to him was being in that system with Coach [Mike] D’Antoni. He gives you confidence offensively. It’s a free offense. He lets you play freely. You don’t worry about mistakes. You just worry about just going and playing basketball and just showing your ability. He’s thriving in that system.Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/16/26...
Only dumb ass Knicks fans that can't appreciate anything seem to be blind to the facts.
Only dumb ass Knick fans could look at how the Team fought in the playoffs last year and think that they weren't coached well. MDA has had some awful bad luck in Playoff games, but his teams fought hard. Maybe this time we have some good luck for a change. I think we deserve a break.
nix, that quote means different things to different people. to you it means that the players respect d'antoni as a coach. to someone who hates MDA, it means he doesn't coach at all and just lets players do what they want to.
Lin is better than those three.
As startere, those guys have yet to distinguish themselves.
ty lawson got the gig when Billups was exiled. Jennings was a mistake but a talented volume bone head shooter.
Nalod wrote:Lin is better than those three.As startere, those guys have yet to distinguish themselves.
ty lawson got the gig when Billups was exiled. Jennings was a mistake but a talented volume bone head shooter.
Not the point but thanks for playing.
75% of Knicks fans believe MDA can coach us to a title.
Case closed.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:75% of Knicks fans believe MDA can coach us to a title. Case closed.
75% percent of Knicks fans are sipping Nixluva juice.
GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:No matter who we drafted or didn't draft, right now this is the team we have and the coach we have. This is the team MDA was hired to coach. The Coaches and the Players all seem to be having a great time right now. Lebron had one of the best comments regarding Lin. The leagues great players recognize how good D'Antoni is, having been coached by him:“He’s playing good basketball,” James said of Lin following Tuesday’s win at Indiana. “The best thing that ever happened to him was being in that system with Coach [Mike] D’Antoni. He gives you confidence offensively. It’s a free offense. He lets you play freely. You don’t worry about mistakes. You just worry about just going and playing basketball and just showing your ability. He’s thriving in that system.Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/16/26...
Only dumb ass Knicks fans that can't appreciate anything seem to be blind to the facts.
Only dumb ass Knick fans could look at how the Team fought in the playoffs last year and think that they weren't coached well. MDA has had some awful bad luck in Playoff games, but his teams fought hard. Maybe this time we have some good luck for a change. I think we deserve a break.
You talk a great game.
It's funny how he backs Dantoni when he hasn't accomplished anything as a head coach.
Just do what I do, ignore the stupidity.
i'd rather win with MDA than Phil. that's what it comes down to. if JVG were gonna come back it'd be a different story.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:75% of Knicks fans believe MDA can coach us to a title. Case closed.
Still isnt going to save him.
islesfan wrote:crzymdups wrote:i'd rather win with MDA than Phil. that's what it comes down to. if JVG were gonna come back it'd be a different story.
I'd rather win period.
i'd normally agree, but i like MDA at this point. i'd like to see him win. phil jackson would've never even tried lin.
JrZyHuStLa wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:8th in defensive efficiency, TROLLS.
I already told you, that's the new version of the silly pace excuse.
I don't go by that gimmick statistic. I go by OPP FG% and OPP PPG.
mostly you are a step behind then. they aren't gimmick, they are advanced.
islesfan wrote:crzymdups wrote:i'd rather win with MDA than Phil. that's what it comes down to. if JVG were gonna come back it'd be a different story.
I'd rather win period.
+1,000,000,000
If we win a title, then it means we made the right choice regarding the coach, no matter who the coach is. So if we win with D'Antoni, it means we made the right decision to stick with him. If we fire D'Antoni and his replacement wins a title, it means we made the right choice by changing coaches.
Anyway, a lot of folks are taking this D'Antoni argument personally, as if we don't like the man. I have no problem with him, seems like an OK guy, but I don't think he has done a very good job. I'm not saying he's necessarily done a bad job either, given all the changes in personnel. But no way has he earned an extension yet. Hopefully he will have earned it by the end of the season, but it's way too early. Let's see what he does with this team, which we pretty much all agree finally has what it takes to make a really nice playoff run.
martin wrote:JrZyHuStLa wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:8th in defensive efficiency, TROLLS.
I already told you, that's the new version of the silly pace excuse.
I don't go by that gimmick statistic. I go by OPP FG% and OPP PPG.
mostly you are a step behind then. they aren't gimmick, they are advanced.
Yeah I don't get what's so hard to understand. PPG doesn't take into account the pace you play at. There are teams that slow it down to a crawl and thus don't give up a lot of points. OPP FG% also doesn't tell the whole story cuz it doesn't tell you how many possessions don't end up in any points. The Knicks are the kind of team that gets stops, even tho there are times when teams may shoot for a good %. We get stops drawing charges, getting steals, shot clock violations, 3 sec. lane violations ...
Also there are periods of games where we aren't defending that great, but in the 4th qtr this team turns up the heat and really shuts teams down with our best defensive unit. As much as people talk about MDA, he has been putting in a very effective lineup for late game defense. his putting Shump on Calderon was a great move.
Defensive Efficiency is a more comprehensive stat. It's showing the RATE at which teams score against us, so that takes into account that we play fast and have more possessions than most teams.
In fact we have the 3rd fastest pace.
The Basketball Reference has us at #5 in the league in Def. Eff., #13 in PPG
Hollinger has the Knicks at #8 in his Def. Eff. stat.- i'm not sure how up to date his stats are.
CrushAlot wrote:loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:loweyecue wrote:CrushAlot wrote:loweyecue wrote:martin wrote:CrushAlot wrote:eViL wrote:eViL wrote:martin wrote:wait, was the backcourt of Duhon, Q supposed to lead us to .500? did I miss something?
yes. we were supposed to compete in those throwaway seasons. this is NY. we do it big.
or actually: since they were throwaway seasons and we were supposed to lose anyway -- we should have force-fed our young players to help them rapidly improve. because thrusting young players on the floor all at the same time helps develop great players and great teams faster. just look at the Kings and the Wizards. Mike should have dumped his vets on the scrap heap and went all in with youth. that's the ticket.
He didn't play the young players at all and many around here give him credit when the Knicks draft well so I would I think that he at least was involved in the process of picking Hill and Douglas. How the 8th pick in the draft gets 29 dnps in 53 games while Jeffries and Bender are getting minutes nightly didn't make sense at the time and still doesn't. Douglas had 26 dnps in the first 62 games until the Texas road trip when Walsh traveled with the team. Douglas doubled his minutes for the entire season in the final 20 games. I don't think anyone was saying don't play the vets. I think the complaint was that the first round picks were not playing at all. Duhon, Bender, Jeffries, Nate all were gone after that season and none of that lot brought much of anything to the court. It truly was a throwawy season as the Knicks did not have their draft pick and they were not going to make the playoffs. It was pretty annoying listening to the coach talk about the playoffs until the team was finally mathematically eliminated. That was a year where player development should have been part of the goal of the coach. Sending out the brokendown guys with expiring contracts while he was and saying they were making a run at the playoffs was so off base. The rooks could have and should have gotten at least 10-15 minutes a game. That wouldn't ruffle any vets feathers nearly as much as the communication issues the coach was having with some of his vets that season.
absolutely and categorically false, and you know it too, but you keep denying it. And this is why when you post most ignore any positive statements when you may have them. If you have them.
Lee, Gallo, Chandler, Nate. TD, Walker, Giddens, Hill. All played. Some played too much. You have a blind eye for TD who no one thinks is a PG and should get any minutes at that position in year 3, regardless of shooting ability.
Douglas should have gotten 62 DNPs not 26. Toney Douglas is and has always been a third string scrub. Not sure exactly why you keep regurgitating this. It is not an NBA head coach's job to try to develop third tier "talent" that have no role in the long term picture on any NBA team. You can find hundreds of examples of bad players who didn't get playing time on bad teams no idea what you are trying to prove with this. Your agenda completely clouds your judgment on this topic.
People were pretty excited about Douglas's play that year when he finally got minutes in March.http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topi...
When your team has sucked for 10 years straight people focus on whatever bright spot may present itself however unlikely it may be. It doesn't make him a good player. He is still a third string scrub. The ONLY thing I EVER liked about TD was his hustle. That was it.
Hindsight is great when you evaluate players. Douglas was the best point guard on the team that year and played well in the spring when he finally got run. The point I was making was that he should have been playing and a part of the rotation a lot sooner. Spinning it to make it about people searching for a positive after they saw a guy play well when he finally got a chance doesn't change the fact that D'Antoni barely played Douglas in a year when the team had nothing at the point until his boss traveled with the team.
Hindsight? MDA had the FORESIGHT to know Douglas was a scrub. I wish he had never been drafted by the Knicks and I didn't have to suffer watching him chuck three pointers to kill our chances game after game. Every young player you guys accuse MDA of not playing has turned out to be a scrub, if anything he should get praise for being able to develop the ones that can play regardless of where they were drafted.
I don't think you should post about other people having an agenda. Your a halfstep behind Nix but he is open about it.
Nice.
You have over 300 posts saying MDA mishandled Douglas, I have One post where I stated my opinion that he was correct in not wasting his time trying to develop players who in his assessment didn't have what it takes to fulfill any long term needs of the team - and now I have an agenda?
Good call.
