Knicks · Jason Terry PRE-Game comments on Jeremy Lin (page 2)
offense should exploit whatever the defense is underplaying and we have enough weapons to do so. Lin has to continue to look to score if his shot is the most efficient shot. This is not about Melo getting his anymore. We need to play good smart basketball and not worry abou whether Melo can stay at the top of the scoring ladder. I think once he is back defenses will challenge Lin to try and beat them by doubling up on Melo.
GustavBahler wrote:JCrusher wrote:its funny whenver a player bashes lin he lights them up+1
Indeed. The Lakers aren't exactly playing with a ton of confidence since.
MDAs system with a ball control guard OF HIGH QUALITY will have inflated numbers.
This is what makes Nash MVP/HOF.
So what, now go stop it!
In 3.5 years you had only felton able to play at clost to this level for a short period of time.
Marbles couldn't, Duhan, TD, Billups, .......none.
Bottom line is Lin is getting it done and putting up numbers, taking names and kicking ass.
Taking names? DWill, Kobe, Harris, Rubio (we got the win), Wall, and now Kidd.
Lin has a vulnerable spot on his armor as do all players. He Could adjust even more.
Teams know how to stop him. Its not being done.
We'll see Lebron guarding him next week.
GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:Lin's shooting 50%!!! How is that hype or inflated due to minutes??? That's just not giving a player credit. If Terry tried to do all the things that Lin has done in the same amount of minutes, his arms would fall off! People need to start respecting what this young man is doing. It's hard as hell to play as much and be as good as he's been. If it wasn't there'd be more guys doing it.You're right, 50 percent is great but he is averaging more shot attempts per game, this month, than Melo is this season. Doesn't make him a lousy shooter, you just proved it. But it does mean that he is getting opportunities he wouldn't if he weren't the primary option on offense. You take away a few minutes and down goes the attempts and the avg. Not important unless he's on your fantasy team.
Its necessary now but it won't be when Melo and Davis are in the rotation, I hope. You're also right that Terry is trying to make it sound like he is bricking all over the place which he clearly isn't. Its great to know we have that on tap when Melo and Stat are having bad nights.
Lin will still be an efficient player due to his skills. He's an excellent finisher at the rim, even with contact. He's a better shooter than people gave him credit for. He's a better penetrater than people realize, when you consider that entire teams are focused on stopping him and then can't!!! Lin is the #1 option along with Tyson by virtue of the fact that they are our most efficient scorers. People bash on STAT but he can also be a very efficient scorer and gets to the line effectively. Melo really shouldn't be a primary scorer based on his level of efficiency, tho he is one of the best in the 4th qtr when the game is on the line and he seems to focus more.
MDA's offense is based on getting the best shot possible and that has led to his teams being HIGHLY efficient. Lin like Nash scores at 50% and that threat will allow him to make more assists, while still scoring about 18 a game.
nixluva wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:Lin's shooting 50%!!! How is that hype or inflated due to minutes??? That's just not giving a player credit. If Terry tried to do all the things that Lin has done in the same amount of minutes, his arms would fall off! People need to start respecting what this young man is doing. It's hard as hell to play as much and be as good as he's been. If it wasn't there'd be more guys doing it.You're right, 50 percent is great but he is averaging more shot attempts per game, this month, than Melo is this season. Doesn't make him a lousy shooter, you just proved it. But it does mean that he is getting opportunities he wouldn't if he weren't the primary option on offense. You take away a few minutes and down goes the attempts and the avg. Not important unless he's on your fantasy team.
Its necessary now but it won't be when Melo and Davis are in the rotation, I hope. You're also right that Terry is trying to make it sound like he is bricking all over the place which he clearly isn't. Its great to know we have that on tap when Melo and Stat are having bad nights.
Lin will still be an efficient player due to his skills. He's an excellent finisher at the rim, even with contact. He's a better shooter than people gave him credit for. He's a better penetrater than people realize, when you consider that entire teams are focused on stopping him and then can't!!! Lin is the #1 option along with Tyson by virtue of the fact that they are our most efficient scorers. People bash on STAT but he can also be a very efficient scorer and gets to the line effectively. Melo really shouldn't be a primary scorer based on his level of efficiency, tho he is one of the best in the 4th qtr when the game is on the line and he seems to focus more.
MDA's offense is based on getting the best shot possible and that has led to his teams being HIGHLY efficient. Lin like Nash scores at 50% and that threat will allow him to make more assists, while still scoring about 18 a game.
No one is arguing that Lin still won't be an efficient shooter and you'd have to be blind not to see that Lin can penetrate. I'm surprised that you went from wanting Lin to be our Steve Nash to wanting him to be our Derrick Rose. Nash could penetrate and shoot as well but he took less shots per game and looked to be a distributor first. Lin's first job should be to set up his teammates, not call his own number.
Chandler can't create his own shot and as you have pointed out before, this offense isn't predicated on post play anyway. You have to spoon feed those passes to him. If he is alone under the rim of course you throw him the ball. I think Melo will do his share to be a team player and wants the win but asking him to be the third option behind Chandler might be asking a bit much of him. He needs to be featured to get into a rhythm and its hard to do that if he is behind Lin and Chandler in touches.
That's not to say that Lin isn't going to take over games but you want him to look to setup his teammates first. He was asked to carry the scoring because of injuries. We have Melo and Davis entering the rotation, its not necessary for him to continue that role.
Bippity10 wrote:Any truth to the rumor that Lin asked Terry how his ass tasted. May just be a rumor
no man, he just handed Terry the stat sheet for the night. Final scores were circled and then "How you like me now?"
martin wrote:Bippity10 wrote:Any truth to the rumor that Lin asked Terry how his ass tasted. May just be a rumorno man, he just handed Terry the stat sheet for the night. Final scores were circled and then "How you like me now?"
If Terry could just play those 46 minutes, he'd have changed the NBA logo already.
Nothing like legends in their own mind.
Hopefully Terry can come up with some suggestions for Lin about how to improve his game.
Kobe wouldn't.
When someone wanted to know what suggestion he would give Lin, the NBA’s fifth all-time leading scorer finally raised his voice so that the entire Laker locker room heard him.“I don’t have any suggestions, man,’’ he said. “I mean, the guy almost scored 40 points on us.’’
nehemiah wrote:Whether he is to be a distributor or a scorer is not something that should be determined by whether Melo or any other scorer is in the game. As Lin has said, he will try to take what the defense gives him. If he penetrates and the defense plays to block the passing lane to Melo because they anticipate that he SHOULD pass first, then it would be stupid to not take the shot. It depends on split second decisions about what the defense gives him. Don't try to corner Lin. He is not a selfish player, but if he ends up scoring in the high 30s while shooting 50% or better, he does it because that is what helps the team. Conversely, we've seen Lin be genuinely happy with 10 points and 13 assists. His numbers will vary each day depending on whether he is shooting well, vs Novak, vs Melo, etc. If Lin feels that Novak is the hot hand, he will look specifically for him as he did yesterday in the 4th quarter. Melo coming back shouldn't affect Lin's play AT ALL. It won't affect his mentality, but if Melo is playing well and scoring well, I'm sure Lin will try to draw the defense to himself then kick it out to Melo. If Melo is taking ill-advised shots and shooting 38%, then he should not be giving it much to Melo and I'd be happy with Lin scoring 50 (as long as he himself is shooting at a high percentage like he is doing).
Quality post. I agree you take what the defense gives you and each trip down the floor is different. If you ask Lin what his most important role on this team is, I'm pretty sure he would say to set up his teammates first. As long as that is on his mind when he's playing, I'm good.
AnubisADL wrote:Terry not impressed with LinNEW YORK -- Dallas Mavericks guard is not overly impressed with what New York Knicks guard Jeremy Lin has been able to accomplish.
Especially those NBA record 45 turnovers Lin has produced, which are the most by a player in the NBA since the league started keeping turnovers in the 1977-'78 season.
"I've been a point guard in this league and (45 turnovers in seven games) would have gotten me on the bench real fast,'' Terry said.
'Terry believes Lin has benefited handsomely from Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni's uptempo system.
"He's in D'Antoni's system, and any player that plays a guard position in D'Antoni's system has opportunities to be able to put up good numbers, and I think that's what he's been able to do,'' Terry said. "The ball's in your hands a lot and you're going to have turnovers.''
Terry also said that a lot of what Lin has accomplished is media-driven.
"I think it's a lot of hype right now,'' Terry said. "Is he going to be a good player in the future? If he continues to work, he will.
"But given the opportunity, he's taken advantage of it. But everybody's making a lot out of just the seven games he's played.''
And what about those seven games?
"I've been in the league 13 years, and seven games don't necessarily make a career, but he does have great buzz right now,'' Terry said. "But we'll see when he face the (world) champs tonight.''
-- Dwain Price
LOL. Jason Terry is a funny guy.
has Terry ever averaged more than 4 assists a game? Has he ever made guys around him better?
STFU Jason and take your Linning like a Man.
GustavBahler wrote:Some of these threads lately look like they were written in a crack binge. At least Annubis is trying to present some evidence to try and back up what he's saying. Guess going after the community pick is still a no no.I agree with Terry that his stats are inflated by all the minutes he's played but it doesn't take away from what an amazing job Lin has done and that's where Terry is wrong.
Was he thinking about Lin's minutes when Lin was blowing right by him? Did he even mention the win streak? The clutch shooting? They kept hitting Lin hard and he kept going right at them. Terry has his ring, you'd think he would be in a better place.
I hate this whole Stats inflated philosophy. You have to make those shots. You have have to make the right pass for those assists. He has to be aggressive and drive into the teeth of the defense, take that hit and still finish FOR that 3point play.
I don't care about how long he has the ball or what system, because the bottom line is you still have to get the job done.
Did it inflate Douglass' Stats? Imams?
That is a ridiculous statement and people use it to downplay coaches guards. Not every point guard is capable of running D'Antoni's offense and Terry wouldn't be half as good if he switched places.
DurzoBlint wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Some of these threads lately look like they were written in a crack binge. At least Annubis is trying to present some evidence to try and back up what he's saying. Guess going after the community pick is still a no no.I agree with Terry that his stats are inflated by all the minutes he's played but it doesn't take away from what an amazing job Lin has done and that's where Terry is wrong.
Was he thinking about Lin's minutes when Lin was blowing right by him? Did he even mention the win streak? The clutch shooting? They kept hitting Lin hard and he kept going right at them. Terry has his ring, you'd think he would be in a better place.
I hate this whole Stats inflated philosophy. You have to make those shots. You have have to make the right pass for those assists. He has to be aggressive and drive into the teeth of the defense, take that hit and still finish FOR that 3point play.
I don't care about how long he has the ball or what system, because the bottom line is you still have to get the job done.
Did it inflate Douglass' Stats? Imams?
That is a ridiculous statement and people use it to downplay coaches guards. Not every point guard is capable of running D'Antoni's offense and Terry wouldn't be half as good if he switched places.
Whew! Man, I love this telling it like it is. If Lin didn't make the plays, no way he would be getting 40-plus minutes consistently. Yeah, this stats inflation talk makes it seem like if anybody played that many minutes, those would be the stats they get. Now who really believes that?
Just imagine this -- everyone thinks that his numbers will go down after Melo . . . what if they basically stay where they are? How good is he then?
nehemiah wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Some of these threads lately look like they were written in a crack binge. At least Annubis is trying to present some evidence to try and back up what he's saying. Guess going after the community pick is still a no no.I agree with Terry that his stats are inflated by all the minutes he's played but it doesn't take away from what an amazing job Lin has done and that's where Terry is wrong.
Was he thinking about Lin's minutes when Lin was blowing right by him? Did he even mention the win streak? The clutch shooting? They kept hitting Lin hard and he kept going right at them. Terry has his ring, you'd think he would be in a better place.
I hate this whole Stats inflated philosophy. You have to make those shots. You have have to make the right pass for those assists. He has to be aggressive and drive into the teeth of the defense, take that hit and still finish FOR that 3point play.
I don't care about how long he has the ball or what system, because the bottom line is you still have to get the job done.
Did it inflate Douglass' Stats? Imams?
That is a ridiculous statement and people use it to downplay coaches guards. Not every point guard is capable of running D'Antoni's offense and Terry wouldn't be half as good if he switched places.
Whew! Man, I love this telling it like it is. If Lin didn't make the plays, no way he would be getting 40-plus minutes consistently. Yeah, this stats inflation talk makes it seem like if anybody played that many minutes, those would be the stats they get. Now who really believes that?
Just imagine this -- everyone thinks that his numbers will go down after Melo . . . what if they basically stay where they are? How good is he then?
ill take his stat line from kings game if he keeps this team winning. ill take his lakers game if thats what it takes too. my hope is the kid learns from his mistakes (to's), and gets better.
sidsanders wrote:nehemiah wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Some of these threads lately look like they were written in a crack binge. At least Annubis is trying to present some evidence to try and back up what he's saying. Guess going after the community pick is still a no no.I agree with Terry that his stats are inflated by all the minutes he's played but it doesn't take away from what an amazing job Lin has done and that's where Terry is wrong.
Was he thinking about Lin's minutes when Lin was blowing right by him? Did he even mention the win streak? The clutch shooting? They kept hitting Lin hard and he kept going right at them. Terry has his ring, you'd think he would be in a better place.
I hate this whole Stats inflated philosophy. You have to make those shots. You have have to make the right pass for those assists. He has to be aggressive and drive into the teeth of the defense, take that hit and still finish FOR that 3point play.
I don't care about how long he has the ball or what system, because the bottom line is you still have to get the job done.
Did it inflate Douglass' Stats? Imams?
That is a ridiculous statement and people use it to downplay coaches guards. Not every point guard is capable of running D'Antoni's offense and Terry wouldn't be half as good if he switched places.
Whew! Man, I love this telling it like it is. If Lin didn't make the plays, no way he would be getting 40-plus minutes consistently. Yeah, this stats inflation talk makes it seem like if anybody played that many minutes, those would be the stats they get. Now who really believes that?
Just imagine this -- everyone thinks that his numbers will go down after Melo . . . what if they basically stay where they are? How good is he then?
ill take his stat line from kings game if he keeps this team winning. ill take his lakers game if thats what it takes too. my hope is the kid learns from his mistakes (to's), and gets better.
He has been learning and that Hornets game is a perfect example. He said and showed he if you drive into the lane you have to be able to pull up and hit that jumper instead of barreling into the defenders and causing a turnover. Also said he has to must not force passes but, instead make the right pass.
The kid has a high Basketball IQ.
DurzoBlint wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Some of these threads lately look like they were written in a crack binge. At least Annubis is trying to present some evidence to try and back up what he's saying. Guess going after the community pick is still a no no.I agree with Terry that his stats are inflated by all the minutes he's played but it doesn't take away from what an amazing job Lin has done and that's where Terry is wrong.
Was he thinking about Lin's minutes when Lin was blowing right by him? Did he even mention the win streak? The clutch shooting? They kept hitting Lin hard and he kept going right at them. Terry has his ring, you'd think he would be in a better place.
I hate this whole Stats inflated philosophy. You have to make those shots. You have have to make the right pass for those assists. He has to be aggressive and drive into the teeth of the defense, take that hit and still finish FOR that 3point play.
I don't care about how long he has the ball or what system, because the bottom line is you still have to get the job done.
Did it inflate Douglass' Stats? Imams?
That is a ridiculous statement and people use it to downplay coaches guards. Not every point guard is capable of running D'Antoni's offense and Terry wouldn't be half as good if he switched places.
You could at least have acknowledged my response to Terry's implication that Lin was overrated. I've shot that down more than once in this thread, actually three times.
nehemiah wrote:DurzoBlint wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Some of these threads lately look like they were written in a crack binge. At least Annubis is trying to present some evidence to try and back up what he's saying. Guess going after the community pick is still a no no.I agree with Terry that his stats are inflated by all the minutes he's played but it doesn't take away from what an amazing job Lin has done and that's where Terry is wrong.
Was he thinking about Lin's minutes when Lin was blowing right by him? Did he even mention the win streak? The clutch shooting? They kept hitting Lin hard and he kept going right at them. Terry has his ring, you'd think he would be in a better place.
I hate this whole Stats inflated philosophy. You have to make those shots. You have have to make the right pass for those assists. He has to be aggressive and drive into the teeth of the defense, take that hit and still finish FOR that 3point play.
I don't care about how long he has the ball or what system, because the bottom line is you still have to get the job done.
Did it inflate Douglass' Stats? Imams?
That is a ridiculous statement and people use it to downplay coaches guards. Not every point guard is capable of running D'Antoni's offense and Terry wouldn't be half as good if he switched places.
Whew! Man, I love this telling it like it is. If Lin didn't make the plays, no way he would be getting 40-plus minutes consistently. Yeah, this stats inflation talk makes it seem like if anybody played that many minutes, those would be the stats they get. Now who really believes that?
Just imagine this -- everyone thinks that his numbers will go down after Melo . . . what if they basically stay where they are? How good is he then?
Lin has been putting up great numbers while setting an NBA record for turnovers not seen since the NBA/ABA merger in the mid 70s in addition to other records.
Terry was arguing that most coaches wouldn't have given him that opportunity and he would be right. Terry sees it as a knock on the coach, I see it as a gamble that paid off and the right thing to do.. Like you said (and Ive said repeatedly) it doesn't take away from what an amazing job he's done.