Hope everybody that talks championship contention, Atlantic title and Knicks domination record this game in their minds, because this has happened before and will happen again until we get disciplined enough to play in the same yard with the real dogs.
Miami exposed us. Boston did it again. Until we learn to keep our composure, focus, keep playing defense and move the ball like we should, we will keep struggling and be a mediocre team. That third quarter was deplorable, a basketball embarrassment. We lost this game in the third. We still found a way to make it a game, but another mental lapse against Boston (not fouling in the last play) was enough opening for a veteran team to finish us.
Its now an 11-game winning streak Boston has on us at their Garden. Thats embarrassing.
Pathetic performance. This team is pretty far from real contention.
JCrusher wrote:FoeDiddy wrote:colombian0725 wrote:I have no idea what's wrong with this team? Why can't we beat the old ass celtics ? they are not a good team! Amare is useless. 100 million for what? He can't hit a open shot and can't rebound or defend. We need to get Chandler someone to help him defend the paint. PF is our biggest weakness. Sick of this switching !!!! wtf? our switching is killing us.
So this was Amare's Fault?? 16 pts...13 rebounds. You don't think it had anything to do with a subpar game from Lin and some questionable coaching decisions?
I think they definitely should have fouled especially cause Celtics had no timeouts..as soon as Garnett caught that pass there should have been a foul.
Lin didn't have a good game but we didn't lose because of him. most of our team did a bad job
As the point guard you can't get the credit when we win and not when u lose. He controls the offense and their were moments in the game where we were getting bad shots after bad shots and plenty of turnovers. Lets critique people fairly. If you can nitpick Amare all day then Lin deserves more blame this game. Amare had 0 turnovers, rebounded, didn't play terrible defense today and scored decently.
We had this game won. we lost strategically at the end. took to long to adjust to the switching issue. Shump also had a mental error on that last play..he never made that shot difficult for Pierce..just put a token hand up as he went for the jumper. should have contested. what's the worst that can happen.
Why call the timeout after we rebounded it with 18 seconds left. Especially when you have a 80% free throw shooter with the ball. I think this game turned in the late first and early second when all the TOs happened. Also the second unit struggled in the second half when the starters went out with foul trouble.
I know people want to blame lin.
I know people want to blame Melo.
I know people have given up on STAT.
The truth is that they all did good things and they all had some bad moments on O and D.
I do think that Lin and Stat needs to step up their D. It is hurting this team. I just want to see better effort and smart plays from the both. I also want to see Melo relax and play his game on O. He is rushing almost everything trying to be perfect. He just need to let the came come to him. The same could be said for Lin. He just needs to relax and keep his eyes up at times but I like his effort on O. He is young so mistakes are expected but He is doing a good job.
Lin will be ok. Melo will be ok. tHis team will be ok.
nixluva wrote:Lin had a bad game and overall the team seemed a bit off. Not much but just enough to mess up what should've been a win. I'm not really that worried tho, cuz I know this team can play better. This is only one game. The Knicks still have a ton of work to do and it's games like this that make it clear. We still aren't "smooth" on offense and we have defensive lapses. Lin still has trouble against good defensive teams that take away the PnR and penetration. The C's play a sort of zone where they clog the paint area but can still close out on shooters. They basically play half way between the 3pt line and the paint.
when we were running the ball we were killing them then we went back to isos and thats exactly what boston wnats and we paid once again
NYKBocker wrote:Lin got hit every fucking time he drove and no call. This is really pathetic.
Dude played terrible. No excuse on the turnovers. He's been hit during all his starting streak.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Please God, trade Melo.Without Melo, Lin takes down THE MAVS, THE LAKERS, THE JAZZ, 8-1 RECORD!!!
With Melo, we lose to THE CELTICS, THE HEAT, defeat the Hawks and the Cavs, 2-2 RECORD!!
YOU DO THE MATH!
If You are serious, you know very little about the game of basketball and the little bit of credibility you may have had is down the tubes.
That last score by Melo near the end of regulation should have been enough to win. Can't do much about Pierce showing us up almost every time.
Knicksfan wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Lin got hit every fucking time he drove and no call. This is really pathetic.
Dude played terrible. No excuse on the turnovers. He's been hit during all his starting streak.
i agree some were his fault but some his team just muffed the pass
Gymkata wrote:Worse, you can trace this loss to stupid little things: Shump's (bogus) tech and the free throws at the end of the half. Always the heartbreaker against this damn team.
I actually find the taunting after awesome dunks to be childish. Did you see Josh Smith's yesterday? The refs are inconsistent in calling taunting Ts. I'll give you that. But the taunting is childish.
mrKnickShot wrote:FoeDiddy wrote:colombian0725 wrote:I have no idea what's wrong with this team? Why can't we beat the old ass celtics ? they are not a good team! Amare is useless. 100 million for what? He can't hit a open shot and can't rebound or defend. We need to get Chandler someone to help him defend the paint. PF is our biggest weakness. Sick of this switching !!!! wtf? our switching is killing us.
So this was Amare's Fault?? 16 pts...13 rebounds. You don't think it had anything to do with a subpar game from Lin and some questionable coaching decisions?
I think they definitely should have fouled especially cause Celtics had no timeouts..as soon as Garnett caught that pass there should have been a foul.
Amare played ok but he kills the offense. Defense???? He should stay down on the offensive side always.
Lin would look much better with JJ.
I agree. Shoulda fouled but MDA is way too stubborn for that.
You trust JJ on offense more than Amare when Celtics turned their defense up??
FoeDiddy wrote:JCrusher wrote:FoeDiddy wrote:colombian0725 wrote:I have no idea what's wrong with this team? Why can't we beat the old ass celtics ? they are not a good team! Amare is useless. 100 million for what? He can't hit a open shot and can't rebound or defend. We need to get Chandler someone to help him defend the paint. PF is our biggest weakness. Sick of this switching !!!! wtf? our switching is killing us.
So this was Amare's Fault?? 16 pts...13 rebounds. You don't think it had anything to do with a subpar game from Lin and some questionable coaching decisions?
I think they definitely should have fouled especially cause Celtics had no timeouts..as soon as Garnett caught that pass there should have been a foul.
Lin didn't have a good game but we didn't lose because of him. most of our team did a bad job
As the point guard you can't get the credit when we win and not when u lose. He controls the offense and their were moments in the game where we were getting bad shots after bad shots and plenty of turnovers. Lets critique people fairly. If you can nitpick Amare all day then Lin deserves more blame this game. Amare had 0 turnovers, rebounded, didn't play terrible defense today and scored decently.
We had this game won. we lost strategically at the end. took to long to adjust to the switching issue. Shump also had a mental error on that last play..he never made that shot difficult for Pierce..just put a token hand up as he went for the jumper. should have contested. what's the worst that can happen.
shumps tech was 1 point we could have used
Knicksfan wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Lin got hit every fucking time he drove and no call. This is really pathetic.
Dude played terrible. No excuse on the turnovers. He's been hit during all his starting streak.
Elite teams play physical defense. It's time for Lin fans to stop fcking whining and for Lin to adjust.
FoeDiddy wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:FoeDiddy wrote:colombian0725 wrote:I have no idea what's wrong with this team? Why can't we beat the old ass celtics ? they are not a good team! Amare is useless. 100 million for what? He can't hit a open shot and can't rebound or defend. We need to get Chandler someone to help him defend the paint. PF is our biggest weakness. Sick of this switching !!!! wtf? our switching is killing us.
So this was Amare's Fault?? 16 pts...13 rebounds. You don't think it had anything to do with a subpar game from Lin and some questionable coaching decisions?
I think they definitely should have fouled especially cause Celtics had no timeouts..as soon as Garnett caught that pass there should have been a foul.
Amare played ok but he kills the offense. Defense???? He should stay down on the offensive side always.
Lin would look much better with JJ.
I agree. Shoulda fouled but MDA is way too stubborn for that.
You trust JJ on offense more than Amare when Celtics turned their defense up??
I think you'd have to trust Charles Smith if he were to come out of retirement more than Amare.
bad start to the roadtrip. i mean this was one game we should have won now we are forced to beat both Dallas and San Antonio
Bonn1997 wrote:Gymkata wrote:Worse, you can trace this loss to stupid little things: Shump's (bogus) tech and the free throws at the end of the half. Always the heartbreaker against this damn team.
I actually find the taunting after awesome dunks to be childish. Did you see Josh Smith's yesterday? The refs are inconsistent in calling taunting Ts. I'll give you that. But the taunting is childish.
exactly, that was a al harrington move
nixluva wrote:Lin had a bad game and overall the team seemed a bit off. Not much but just enough to mess up what should've been a win. I'm not really that worried tho, cuz I know this team can play better. This is only one game. The Knicks still have a ton of work to do and it's games like this that make it clear. We still aren't "smooth" on offense and we have defensive lapses. Lin still has trouble against good defensive teams that take away the PnR and penetration. The C's play a sort of zone where they clog the paint area but can still close out on shooters. They basically play half way between the 3pt line and the paint.
Lin should have attacked a bit more and attempt to finish moves so they couldn't do that. When he watches tape he will adjust. when he penetrated also he had open shooters behind him. Davis did a good job and being more creative with his passes. Vanilla passes are not gonna work against a veteran team like Celtics.
Bonn1997 wrote:Gymkata wrote:Worse, you can trace this loss to stupid little things: Shump's (bogus) tech and the free throws at the end of the half. Always the heartbreaker against this damn team.
I actually find the taunting after awesome dunks to be childish. Did you see Josh Smith's yesterday? The refs are inconsistent in calling taunting Ts. I'll give you that. But the taunting is childish.
Agreed. Bogus in the fact that Garnett, the object of the taunt, does it all the time. Double standard.
But, you're right, Shumpert needs to know better and you can see MDA was irate at him.
airchibundo507 wrote:Knicksfan wrote:NYKBocker wrote:Lin got hit every fucking time he drove and no call. This is really pathetic.
Dude played terrible. No excuse on the turnovers. He's been hit during all his starting streak.
Elite teams play physical defense. It's time for Lin fans to stop fcking whining and for Lin to adjust.
i dont see anybody whining. he had an off game but he didn't cost us the game. Melo fans have to realize that lin and melo are on the same team we should cheer for both
FoeDiddy wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:FoeDiddy wrote:colombian0725 wrote:I have no idea what's wrong with this team? Why can't we beat the old ass celtics ? they are not a good team! Amare is useless. 100 million for what? He can't hit a open shot and can't rebound or defend. We need to get Chandler someone to help him defend the paint. PF is our biggest weakness. Sick of this switching !!!! wtf? our switching is killing us.
So this was Amare's Fault?? 16 pts...13 rebounds. You don't think it had anything to do with a subpar game from Lin and some questionable coaching decisions?
I think they definitely should have fouled especially cause Celtics had no timeouts..as soon as Garnett caught that pass there should have been a foul.
Amare played ok but he kills the offense. Defense???? He should stay down on the offensive side always.
Lin would look much better with JJ.
I agree. Shoulda fouled but MDA is way too stubborn for that.
You trust JJ on offense more than Amare when Celtics turned their defense up??
First, its not just offense. its defense. No comparison.
And surprisingly, JJ fits much better at this point than Amare. He crashed the Offensive boards much better and looks much better in the PnR.
Sad - but true.
FoeDiddy wrote:nixluva wrote:Lin had a bad game and overall the team seemed a bit off. Not much but just enough to mess up what should've been a win. I'm not really that worried tho, cuz I know this team can play better. This is only one game. The Knicks still have a ton of work to do and it's games like this that make it clear. We still aren't "smooth" on offense and we have defensive lapses. Lin still has trouble against good defensive teams that take away the PnR and penetration. The C's play a sort of zone where they clog the paint area but can still close out on shooters. They basically play half way between the 3pt line and the paint.
Lin should have attacked a bit more and attempt to finish moves so they couldn't do that. When he watches tape he will adjust. when he penetrated also he had open shooters behind him. Davis did a good job and being more creative with his passes. Vanilla passes are not gonna work against a veteran team like Celtics.
well davis did have 7 turnovers lol
JCrusher wrote:nixluva wrote:Lin had a bad game and overall the team seemed a bit off. Not much but just enough to mess up what should've been a win. I'm not really that worried tho, cuz I know this team can play better. This is only one game. The Knicks still have a ton of work to do and it's games like this that make it clear. We still aren't "smooth" on offense and we have defensive lapses. Lin still has trouble against good defensive teams that take away the PnR and penetration. The C's play a sort of zone where they clog the paint area but can still close out on shooters. They basically play half way between the 3pt line and the paint.
when we were running the ball we were killing them then we went back to isos and thats exactly what boston wnats and we paid once again
I agree!!! This team needs to play fast! They have this tendency to slow down against teams and let teams dictate the game. The C's are old an slow, but they're smart. You have to use that depth and youth we have to push the pace. I think they spend too much time trying to work in STAT and Melo when there are times they could push the ball and get some easy early offense.
This is a process tho and I think some fans are making to much of one loss. It was a big game but still one game and we have 29 more to try and get this right. Today wasn't it. Mike seemed a bit off today too in his rotations and I thought they should've fouled rather than let Pierce get off his shot.
