izybx wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Moonangie wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Look I'm not here to put eyes in your heads. Everyone has to see for themselves. But you would be wise to reconsider some of these beliefs you have about health, diet, and fitness.
Not sure where you saw me claim to "run" or do anything resembling hamster activities. BTW, I also stretch every day and once in a long while try some yoga.
Lifting is NOT a smart way to lose weight, and it will do very little to improve overall fitness.
It's excellent for only one thing: Strengthening muscle groups. I would advocate for something like P90X for muscle development if that's the main goal. But "feeling fit" because you have well-developed muscles is NOT the same thing as "being fit" on the inside of your body. Cardio-vascular fitness develops not only your physique but ALSO tones your mental clarity and calms your emotional state. Suffering through the "boring" aspects of cardio helps a person learn focus and discipline, two components of a healthy lifestyle (arguably the MOST IMPORTANT two) that lifting weights utterly ignores.
There is SO much more to healthy living than what Marbs is saying, I hope nobody here follows his advice as gospel, even though he presents it that way. Not meaning to offend, but you are misleading and just plain wrong in the opinions you have offered in this thread.
Well, I think you know what I think of you.
For the other guys that are a little bit more open minded and willing to 'step outside' this cardio stupidity,
I recommend the following:
Starting Strength, by Mark Rippetoe
the Strong Lifts website,
and marksdailyapple.com, a great free resource on diet, health, and fitness.
Over and out.
Guy I know a lot about lifting. Ive been lifting since I was 14, Ive done starting strength, 5x5, german volume, GST, and a lot of the popular programs. Ive also cut and bulked enough to know what works for me. Thats why Im telling you that by championing cutting by lifting weights your missing the point. You can lift weights twice a day for 5 days a week and become a fat. You can do the same with cardio and also become fat. You can also lose fat by eating junk and not working out, simply by creating a calorie deficit.
This is basic stuff, and since you have some knowledge if weight training you should know this.
Of course you can become fat lifting and running if you're eating 100 kitkats a day and drinking five gallons of soda, for example.
But if a guy is overweight and untrained, the best way for him to lose weight is to lift weights, not to run like a hamster.
No one is talking about 'cutting' or 'bulking', just general weight loss for guys that haven't been lifting for years and decades.
How do you think our ancestors 20,000 years ago stayed in good shape? They didn't wake up and say "oh, I'm gonna run 10 miles today". That's absurd. They requirements of their daily lives included lots of lifting heavy things, a lot of slow moving (walking), and occasional sprints. It's simple.
Running like a hamster is just stupid.
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Moonangie wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Look I'm not here to put eyes in your heads. Everyone has to see for themselves. But you would be wise to reconsider some of these beliefs you have about health, diet, and fitness.
Not sure where you saw me claim to "run" or do anything resembling hamster activities. BTW, I also stretch every day and once in a long while try some yoga.
Lifting is NOT a smart way to lose weight, and it will do very little to improve overall fitness.
It's excellent for only one thing: Strengthening muscle groups. I would advocate for something like P90X for muscle development if that's the main goal. But "feeling fit" because you have well-developed muscles is NOT the same thing as "being fit" on the inside of your body. Cardio-vascular fitness develops not only your physique but ALSO tones your mental clarity and calms your emotional state. Suffering through the "boring" aspects of cardio helps a person learn focus and discipline, two components of a healthy lifestyle (arguably the MOST IMPORTANT two) that lifting weights utterly ignores.
There is SO much more to healthy living than what Marbs is saying, I hope nobody here follows his advice as gospel, even though he presents it that way. Not meaning to offend, but you are misleading and just plain wrong in the opinions you have offered in this thread.
Well, I think you know what I think of you.
For the other guys that are a little bit more open minded and willing to 'step outside' this cardio stupidity,
I recommend the following:
Starting Strength, by Mark Rippetoe
the Strong Lifts website,
and marksdailyapple.com, a great free resource on diet, health, and fitness.
Over and out.
I haven't read this entire thread but Mark Rippeto know shis stuff.
I've been working out on and off since I was 16 (30 now) and I've seen better gains with less time spent in the gym just doing squats, deadlift, bench, and pullups with this guys philosophy than I did with all this other stuff I've tried.
That being said..if you just put consistent effort into anything: p90x, insanity, crossfit, whatever you'll get results. For me it's just a matter of getting the most time efficient and effective workout in.
Rip is a God.
And that's exactly it, it's a matter of getting the most bang for the buck, that's what lifting heavy gives you.
MarburyAnd1Crossover, AKA OBM: I am a physical education student (Yes, still and will be for a bit) and have done a crap ton of studies. The effects of aerobic exercise (basketball is NOT aerobic exercise... in fact, basketball is simply not exercise as is the same with most sports) are monumental as are the effects of lifting weights. The two best types are running uphill and cross country skiing. Now, people can't cross country ski for obvious reasons, but it's very easy to work your fitness up to a point that you can run uphill for a long period of time. Without getting into the science of this, the beneficial effects of this are unquestionable.
With that said, losing weight is a different story. Aerobic exercise helps a bit, but physical activity in general is the key, and eating healthy. You need A LOT of physical activity and a consistent healthy eating diet/schedule.
Allanfan20 wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover, AKA OBM: I am a physical education student (Yes, still and will be for a bit) and have done a crap ton of studies. The effects of aerobic exercise (basketball is NOT aerobic exercise... in fact, basketball is simply not exercise as is the same with most sports) are monumental as are the effects of lifting weights. The two best types are running uphill and cross country skiing. Now, people can't cross country ski for obvious reasons, but it's very easy to work your fitness up to a point that you can run uphill for a long period of time. Without getting into the science of this, the beneficial effects of this are unquestionable.With that said, losing weight is a different story. Aerobic exercise helps a bit, but physical activity in general is the key, and eating healthy. You need A LOT of physical activity and a consistent healthy eating diet/schedule.
They teach you the Conventional Wisdom in whatever physical education program you're in.
You don't need A LOT of physical activity to be in the best shape of your life.
AFan20, you would probably tell me that eating whole grains is good, too.
Some people are enjoyable to talk to and have something to offer.... and then others are like Orangeblobman.
Allanfan20 wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover, AKA OBM: I am a physical education student (Yes, still and will be for a bit) and have done a crap ton of studies. The effects of aerobic exercise (basketball is NOT aerobic exercise... in fact, basketball is simply not exercise as is the same with most sports) are monumental as are the effects of lifting weights. The two best types are running uphill and cross country skiing. Now, people can't cross country ski for obvious reasons, but it's very easy to work your fitness up to a point that you can run uphill for a long period of time. Without getting into the science of this, the beneficial effects of this are unquestionable.With that said, losing weight is a different story. Aerobic exercise helps a bit, but physical activity in general is the key, and eating healthy. You need A LOT of physical activity and a consistent healthy eating diet/schedule.
What do you mean basketball is not exercise?
Bonn1997 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover, AKA OBM: I am a physical education student (Yes, still and will be for a bit) and have done a crap ton of studies. The effects of aerobic exercise (basketball is NOT aerobic exercise... in fact, basketball is simply not exercise as is the same with most sports) are monumental as are the effects of lifting weights. The two best types are running uphill and cross country skiing. Now, people can't cross country ski for obvious reasons, but it's very easy to work your fitness up to a point that you can run uphill for a long period of time. Without getting into the science of this, the beneficial effects of this are unquestionable.With that said, losing weight is a different story. Aerobic exercise helps a bit, but physical activity in general is the key, and eating healthy. You need A LOT of physical activity and a consistent healthy eating diet/schedule.
What do you mean basketball is not exercise?
Basketball is wonderful wonderful wonderful physical activity. However; basketball and just about every other sport isn't considered exercise because they are too spontanious. Exercise is planned and goal oriented and you go through the same motions and progressions at your will (If you have the will of course). Sports are different though. You cannot say "OK, I am going to burn 500 calories and move this fast for 20 minutes" because you don't know. You could be motionless for all you know. You could end up doing a a lot more then you planned. Most importantly, you don't know what's going to happen with your movements. It's not fluid like exercise.
Allanfan20 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Allanfan20 wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover, AKA OBM: I am a physical education student (Yes, still and will be for a bit) and have done a crap ton of studies. The effects of aerobic exercise (basketball is NOT aerobic exercise... in fact, basketball is simply not exercise as is the same with most sports) are monumental as are the effects of lifting weights. The two best types are running uphill and cross country skiing. Now, people can't cross country ski for obvious reasons, but it's very easy to work your fitness up to a point that you can run uphill for a long period of time. Without getting into the science of this, the beneficial effects of this are unquestionable.With that said, losing weight is a different story. Aerobic exercise helps a bit, but physical activity in general is the key, and eating healthy. You need A LOT of physical activity and a consistent healthy eating diet/schedule.
What do you mean basketball is not exercise?
Basketball is wonderful wonderful wonderful physical activity. However; basketball and just about every other sport isn't considered exercise because they are too spontanious. Exercise is planned and goal oriented and you go through the same motions and progressions at your will (If you have the will of course). Sports are different though. You cannot say "OK, I am going to burn 500 calories and move this fast for 20 minutes" because you don't know. You could be motionless for all you know. You could end up doing a a lot more then you planned. Most importantly, you don't know what's going to happen with your movements. It's not fluid like exercise.
I guess I've just always thought of exercise as being hard physical activity done to keep you in shape. But I've never looked up the definition.
Cardio to get oxygenated blood thru the body. Helps heal and keep joints young.....
Eat a good diet. No more cheese, fatty meats, or anything "white". Only whole grain bread and pasta's.
Arginin supplements, omega fish oil, and niacin.
At the gym, I lift. Nice and easy, but challenge, document progress and increase resistance.
Tennis cuz its why I work out. The better shape I am in, the better my game!
Walk for cardio, be outside and good for the Dog. My dog is awesome!
Im not sure there "one" way of doing this. Eny, good luck with your race and share with us your accomplishment.
OrangeBlobMan, Glad the lifting works for you. I not sure your 100% accurate but I think mostly your there.
I more incline to go with AllenFan as what he is saying is more inline with what my docs and physical therapists have said.
Just keep moving and all is good!
Noo, exercise is all about improving your fitness, planning and structure. It is a form of physical activity but it is that specific type.
There's almost nothing structured or planned about sports, in terms of how you move your body. They will definitely help you keep a little fit and lose some weight, but exercise is best for fitness regardless.
Nalod wrote:Cardio to get oxygenated blood thru the body. Helps heal and keep joints young.....Eat a good diet. No more cheese, fatty meats, or anything "white". Only whole grain bread and pasta's.
Arginin supplements, omega fish oil, and niacin.
At the gym, I lift. Nice and easy, but challenge, document progress and increase resistance.
Tennis cuz its why I work out. The better shape I am in, the better my game!
Walk for cardio, be outside and good for the Dog. My dog is awesome!
Im not sure there "one" way of doing this. Eny, good luck with your race and share with us your accomplishment.
MarburyAnd1Crossover, Glad the lifting works for you. I not sure your 100% accurate but I think mostly your there.
I more incline to go with AllenFan as what he is saying is more inline with what my docs and physical therapists have said.
Just keep moving and all is good!
First, get the name right.
Second, I'll throw a final whopper at you:
Fat is good. I eat a ton of fat. Cheese, bacon, coconut oil. As much as I want. But I don't eat bread and I don't eat sugar.
You can go with Conventional Wisdom (where has that brought you?), or you can think about some things.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Nalod wrote:Cardio to get oxygenated blood thru the body. Helps heal and keep joints young.....Eat a good diet. No more cheese, fatty meats, or anything "white". Only whole grain bread and pasta's.
Arginin supplements, omega fish oil, and niacin.
At the gym, I lift. Nice and easy, but challenge, document progress and increase resistance.
Tennis cuz its why I work out. The better shape I am in, the better my game!
Walk for cardio, be outside and good for the Dog. My dog is awesome!
Im not sure there "one" way of doing this. Eny, good luck with your race and share with us your accomplishment.
MarburyAnd1Crossover, Glad the lifting works for you. I not sure your 100% accurate but I think mostly your there.
I more incline to go with AllenFan as what he is saying is more inline with what my docs and physical therapists have said.
Just keep moving and all is good!
First, get the name right.
Second, I'll throw a final whopper at you:
Fat is good. I eat a ton of fat. Cheese, bacon, coconut oil. As much as I want. But I don't eat bread and I don't eat sugar.
You can go with Conventional Wisdom (where has that brought you?), or you can think about some things.
You are a fitness doctors nightmare.... although I'm sure he'd be happy to take your insurance money... or just your money.
Fat doesn't make you fat. It's excess carbs that make you fat, and especially low quality empty carbs such as bread (white or whole grain, still garbage) and sugar.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Nalod wrote:Cardio to get oxygenated blood thru the body. Helps heal and keep joints young.....Eat a good diet. No more cheese, fatty meats, or anything "white". Only whole grain bread and pasta's.
Arginin supplements, omega fish oil, and niacin.
At the gym, I lift. Nice and easy, but challenge, document progress and increase resistance.
Tennis cuz its why I work out. The better shape I am in, the better my game!
Walk for cardio, be outside and good for the Dog. My dog is awesome!
Im not sure there "one" way of doing this. Eny, good luck with your race and share with us your accomplishment.
MarburyAnd1Crossover, Glad the lifting works for you. I not sure your 100% accurate but I think mostly your there.
I more incline to go with AllenFan as what he is saying is more inline with what my docs and physical therapists have said.
Just keep moving and all is good!
First, get the name right.
Second, I'll throw a final whopper at you:
Fat is good. I eat a ton of fat. Cheese, bacon, coconut oil. As much as I want. But I don't eat bread and I don't eat sugar.
You can go with Conventional Wisdom (where has that brought you?), or you can think about some things.
Different strokes for different folks...!
Nalod wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Nalod wrote:Cardio to get oxygenated blood thru the body. Helps heal and keep joints young.....Eat a good diet. No more cheese, fatty meats, or anything "white". Only whole grain bread and pasta's.
Arginin supplements, omega fish oil, and niacin.
At the gym, I lift. Nice and easy, but challenge, document progress and increase resistance.
Tennis cuz its why I work out. The better shape I am in, the better my game!
Walk for cardio, be outside and good for the Dog. My dog is awesome!
Im not sure there "one" way of doing this. Eny, good luck with your race and share with us your accomplishment.
MarburyAnd1Crossover, Glad the lifting works for you. I not sure your 100% accurate but I think mostly your there.
I more incline to go with AllenFan as what he is saying is more inline with what my docs and physical therapists have said.
Just keep moving and all is good!
First, get the name right.
Second, I'll throw a final whopper at you:
Fat is good. I eat a ton of fat. Cheese, bacon, coconut oil. As much as I want. But I don't eat bread and I don't eat sugar.
You can go with Conventional Wisdom (where has that brought you?), or you can think about some things.
Different strokes for different folks...!
Of course.
But while you're avoidng the best foods the Earth has to offer, I'll be going in on all the eggs, bacon, cheese, and steak I want. And I'll enjoy optimal health while never having to rely on statins or whatever else these guys peddle nowadays.
EnySpree wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:EnySpree wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:
Eny, I go heavy on a progressive strength training program I started last summer. I'm up to a 240 lb deep-squat and a 300 lb deadlift; my bench press and overhead are lagging. I don't see why you should be getting hurt from lifting heavy things unless you are doing it incorrectly. There is very little injury risk with heavy squats and deadlifts.I used to be a weak little bitch, now I am close to being the man I always to be.
can't say there's little risk on lifting heavy.....I seen guys on separate occasions blow out their knees squatting, their back deadlifting....i've seen a guys peck tear on the bench press.....shit happens when an enormous amount of weight is being pushed around. I caught a hernia pushing 225lbs....at that was the normal weight I trained with.
It's low risk when you move your own body weight. Lifting big weight is UN natural.
I disagree. If a guy injures himself squattnig or deadlifting, he's not doing it improperly.
Lifting can be disasterous if performed incorrectly, but if you got the form down, I would go as far as to say it's the safest sport in the world. Maybe golf is safer.
Just because you see those guys in the gym lifting heavy shit, doesn't mean they know what they're doing.
A lot of it comes down to genetics; one guy can lift incorrectly for a year and then destroy himself, another guy can do it one time and destroy himself.
With proper form, and I really mean near-perfect form, you will NEVER get an injury from squatting or deadlifting. Bank on that.
If you're taking about weight lifting as a sport then yes its one of the safest. To say their is little risk that's a stretch. People day ruining kills the knees, you just said people drop dead from rnning marathons ....if you practice good ruining form and breathing technics, running is actually the safest sport.
I think we can agree that no working out at all is truly the most unsafest thing you can do. However you do it do it often.
Probably swimming is the safest in terms of injury likelihood.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Nalod wrote:Cardio to get oxygenated blood thru the body. Helps heal and keep joints young.....Eat a good diet. No more cheese, fatty meats, or anything "white". Only whole grain bread and pasta's.
Arginin supplements, omega fish oil, and niacin.
At the gym, I lift. Nice and easy, but challenge, document progress and increase resistance.
Tennis cuz its why I work out. The better shape I am in, the better my game!
Walk for cardio, be outside and good for the Dog. My dog is awesome!
Im not sure there "one" way of doing this. Eny, good luck with your race and share with us your accomplishment.
MarburyAnd1Crossover, Glad the lifting works for you. I not sure your 100% accurate but I think mostly your there.
I more incline to go with AllenFan as what he is saying is more inline with what my docs and physical therapists have said.
Just keep moving and all is good!
First, get the name right.
Second, I'll throw a final whopper at you:
Fat is good. I eat a ton of fat. Cheese, bacon, coconut oil. As much as I want. But I don't eat bread and I don't eat sugar.
You can go with Conventional Wisdom (where has that brought you?), or you can think about some things.
Well, there you have it. Clearly, it's opposite day today, which is why Marbury is spewing this Atkins diet silliness. Yes, you can trick your body into losing fat by eating too much of it while restricting sugars like white bread, pasta, white rice, etc.
But that saturated fat is still IN YO BODY, clogging your arteries, raising your blood pressure, and making you sick, even if you "feel" strong from your workouts.
Whole grains, vegetables (especially raw), low sugar (stick with complex carbs), lean meats, legumes, healthy lifestyle, mental clarity, omega 3 fatty acids (like from fish oil), and lots of water.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Nalod wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Nalod wrote:Cardio to get oxygenated blood thru the body. Helps heal and keep joints young.....Eat a good diet. No more cheese, fatty meats, or anything "white". Only whole grain bread and pasta's.
Arginin supplements, omega fish oil, and niacin.
At the gym, I lift. Nice and easy, but challenge, document progress and increase resistance.
Tennis cuz its why I work out. The better shape I am in, the better my game!
Walk for cardio, be outside and good for the Dog. My dog is awesome!
Im not sure there "one" way of doing this. Eny, good luck with your race and share with us your accomplishment.
MarburyAnd1Crossover, Glad the lifting works for you. I not sure your 100% accurate but I think mostly your there.
I more incline to go with AllenFan as what he is saying is more inline with what my docs and physical therapists have said.
Just keep moving and all is good!
First, get the name right.
Second, I'll throw a final whopper at you:
Fat is good. I eat a ton of fat. Cheese, bacon, coconut oil. As much as I want. But I don't eat bread and I don't eat sugar.
You can go with Conventional Wisdom (where has that brought you?), or you can think about some things.
Different strokes for different folks...!
Of course.
But while you're avoidng the best foods the Earth has to offer, I'll be going in on all the eggs, bacon, cheese, and steak I want. And I'll enjoy optimal health while never having to rely on statins or whatever else these guys peddle nowadays.
Until you croak from a vascular occlusion or heart attack or lose the ability to type out this nonsense due to your massive stroke. Until then, you'll be licking the grease off your muscular lips laughing at how smart you think you are about "fitness'.
