Knicks · Yes, I concur......Its time for a new coach! (page 3)
Uptown wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Melo kills this team. I dont care if he scores 30 a night---no D kills the flow of the game and is a prima dona we have another Marbury situation--hes not psycho like marbury but this will hurt usCertainly Melo doesn't fit what this coach wants to do, but neither does the Chandler/Amare combination...During the important stretch in the 4th quarter of the Boston game, Chandler was on the bench a good 7 and half mins...Celtics was taking turns blowing by Novak on three consecutive plays to the rim with Chandler was still on the bench...I knew then MDA doesn't have much use for Amare/Chandler at the same time...The following game against the Mavs...Chandler played 26 mins again missing important parts of the 4th quarter that Novak played...He is our best defender...My ultimate point is, this roster wasn't constructed with MDA in mind...He will not change his style to suit the roster...He needs a strong PG who dominates the ball, with a strong pick and roll option, three guys equally ready to shoot the three...Melo and Amare should be shooting 10 free throws per game, this offense doesn't allow that...Melo isn't a spot up shooter...
And about Melo's D, Have you seen Lin, Amare and Novak...They aren't getting killed more so than Melo on the defensively end????Agreed. But Melo is the A-Rod of the Knicks.
Yes more is expected out of Melo, Amare and A-Rod because they get pay 20+ millions per season for a reason, they should produce more.
So expectations are high. Either produce or win. Melo is inconsistant and team is not winning with him in the lineup.
How many times can Doc Rivers embarrass our coach on the sidelines...Even down three with no time outs with 12 seconds left...Doc figures it out, our coach is still lost..Yes, it's Melo's fault....
holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!
Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
Lin and Novak aren't 20 milion dollar players!!! Novak is a specialist. Lin is a kid with less than 20 starts in his career. COME ON!!!
Man do you even pay any attention at all to real events??? The Knicks D was playing at a high level minus STAT and Melo. Even Lin was playing well. Why? Cuz Jared and Tyson were covering his back and making sure that they shut down driving lanes. STAT just gets out of the way. Melo is less of a problem, but if you watch plays you'll see that he also doesn't give help and take charges like other players on the team. Melo leads to easy baskets for the other team due to his mucking up the offense and taking bad shots. Those lead to fast breaks. So in a sense he does hurt the defense.
holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
martin wrote:holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..
holfresh wrote:martin wrote:holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..
Novak does try on D. He had one bad stretch against DIRK FREAKIN NBA CHAMP Nowitzki. Novak has won us more games than he's lost. Lin has won us more games than he's lost!!!
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:martin wrote:holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..
Novak does try on D. He had one bad stretch against DIRK FREAKIN NBA CHAMP Nowitzki. Novak has won us more games than he's lost. Lin has won us more games than he's lost!!!
I never said that Novak and Lin shouldn't be accountable for their defensive lapses, everyone should, however, I believe those players have played way above the expectations we had for them when we acquired them.
On the contrary, much more was expected from Melo and Amare especially on the offensive end since that’s what they do best, and they have under perform this entire season.
martin wrote:holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
One more thing Mart, Your coach has demonstrated he has not bought in on this defensive philosophy...No one is held accountable, Novak was a major liability against Boston and u saw it even tho others didn't recognize it, Chandler remained on the bench..Boston got valuable second chance points...All this matters in a victory...It's not one guy!!!!!
KnicksFE wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:martin wrote:holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..
Novak does try on D. He had one bad stretch against DIRK FREAKIN NBA CHAMP Nowitzki. Novak has won us more games than he's lost. Lin has won us more games than he's lost!!!
I never said that Novak and Lin shouldn't be accountable for their defensive lapses, everyone should, however, I believe those players have played way above the expectations we had for them when we acquired them.
On the contrary, much more was expected from Melo and Amare especially on the offensive end since that’s what they do best, and they have under perform this entire season.
Melo is a convenient scapegoat...He is the easy target...Rondo put up historic numbers against us and we ask why Melo couldn't counter that, DWill torched us, Tony Parker took who ever guarded him...MDA out coached yet again by Doc at the end of games...This isn't a coincidence anymore, it's the rule...I give examples...
nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:martin wrote:holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..
Novak does try on D. He had one bad stretch against DIRK FREAKIN NBA CHAMP Nowitzki. Novak has won us more games than he's lost. Lin has won us more games than he's lost!!!
One bad stretch???, you are not not watching the games....He gave up three consecutive layups in the 4th quarter against Boston...Three!!!!!...Not to mention he gave u no rebounds in that time...He is taking Chandler's time in the 4th..This is huge!!!!
holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:martin wrote:holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..
Novak does try on D. He had one bad stretch against DIRK FREAKIN NBA CHAMP Nowitzki. Novak has won us more games than he's lost. Lin has won us more games than he's lost!!!
I never said that Novak and Lin shouldn't be accountable for their defensive lapses, everyone should, however, I believe those players have played way above the expectations we had for them when we acquired them.
On the contrary, much more was expected from Melo and Amare especially on the offensive end since that’s what they do best, and they have under perform this entire season.
Melo is a convenient scapegoat...He is the easy target...Rondo put up historic numbers against us and we ask why Melo couldn't counter that, DWill torched us, Tony Parker took who ever guarded him...MDA out coached yet again by Doc at the end of games...This isn't a coincidence anymore, it's the rule...I give examples...
Your pissing in the wind Bro. All of your points are valid, but it doesn't make a difference because most on this board had their minds made up about Melo as soon as the boards favorite son, Gallo was traded for him.
holfresh wrote:nixluva wrote:holfresh wrote:martin wrote:holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..
Novak does try on D. He had one bad stretch against DIRK FREAKIN NBA CHAMP Nowitzki. Novak has won us more games than he's lost. Lin has won us more games than he's lost!!!
One bad stretch???, you are not not watching the games....He gave up three consecutive layups in the 4th quarter against Boston...Three!!!!!...Not to mention he gave u no rebounds in that time...He is taking Chandler's time in the 4th..This is huge!!!!
Like I said, one bad stretch. Novak has won more games for us than he's lost. GET REAL MAN!!! MDA isn't trying to take away defense sitting Tyson. The coach wants to play JARED, TYSON, SHUMP etc together as he did during the win streak!!! MDA put our best defensive group on the court in 4th qtrs. Don't try and rewrite history with this bull ish. During the streak this team was playing GREAT D!!! It even kept up for a while, but clearly adding back STAT and Melo has made the defense weaker. Not just because of the D they play, but the poorer and less efficient offense we're playing now. That's also part of the problems with the defense. Teams are getting out and running on us.
holfresh wrote:martin wrote:holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
One more thing Mart, Your coach has demonstrated he has not bought in on this defensive philosophy...No one is held accountable, Novak was a major liability against Boston and u saw it even tho others didn't recognize it, Chandler remained on the bench..Boston got valuable second chance points...All this matters in a victory...It's not one guy!!!!!
You are isolating once instance in one game and extrapolating across a big generalization. Novak was a +14 in the Boston game and was doing well within his scope of things.
Meanwhile, Tyson is a MAJOR cog in our rotation and plays even MORE minutes than he did last year, so by your logic that would indicate to me that MDA values defensive centers more than their coach, right?
Your arguments are all over the place. You compare Novak to Melo and then Novak to Tyson. Novak is not a major cog for the Knicks, he is situational and if he's on a roll, you go with him.
Melo is a good man defender. His help defense could use some work, but he is far from the problem on defense. Amare might be the best pnr finisher in the league (coming into this season), but he is also most definitely the worst pnr big on defense I have ever seen in my life. The Spurs commentators were laughing at him, dissecting his putrid pnr defense in replays. Any pnr competent team will expose Amare on a nightly basis.
Lin
JR
Melo
Harrelson
Chandler
Defense, rebounding, outside shooting, spacing... that line-up works.
martin wrote:holfresh wrote:martin wrote:holfresh wrote:KnicksFE wrote:holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.
Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th
it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.
One more thing Mart, Your coach has demonstrated he has not bought in on this defensive philosophy...No one is held accountable, Novak was a major liability against Boston and u saw it even tho others didn't recognize it, Chandler remained on the bench..Boston got valuable second chance points...All this matters in a victory...It's not one guy!!!!!
You are isolating once instance in one game and extrapolating across a big generalization. Novak was a +14 in the Boston game and was doing well within his scope of things.Meanwhile, Tyson is a MAJOR cog in our rotation and plays even MORE minutes than he did last year, so by your logic that would indicate to me that MDA values defensive centers more than their coach, right?
Your arguments are all over the place. You compare Novak to Melo and then Novak to Tyson. Novak is not a major cog for the Knicks, he is situational and if he's on a roll, you go with him.
Hang on here...Let's look at the Boston game...Novak played major minutes in the 4th while Chandler was on the bench...Chandler came back at the 2:00 mark of the 4th...We lost that game in overtime...Novak played 27 minutes and most of the 4th in Chandler's place...How is that not a major cog????..This has nothing to do with money...