Knicks · Knicks vs. Bulls: Time to bury the Bull****!!! Lets go Knicks!!! (page 38)
END OF STORY!!!
Can't win any game that way....
ChuckBuck wrote:If I'm Amare and Melo I'm tearing Lin and Fields a new A-Hole...
rofl!!!!!!!!
knicks fans are so delusional about those two guys.. really...
HugeKnick4 wrote:Hey ChuckBuck...let me help you out...you are raving about Melo 8 rebounds. Melo had 1 rebound in the 2nd half...that came with 24 seconds left. No matter how hard I want this guy to prove me wrong...when things don't come his way....the Team Pays.
Let me help you out. When Amare Stoudemire, your starting PF, has 3 rebounds, then that's probably the issue. Melo having 8 rebounds is a plus. Fields and Lin not boxing out and allowing 13 rebounds to Rose and Brewer to their 5 total is a problem. Please stop having so much tunnel vision and spread the blame around equally for once...
tkf wrote:22-4 offensive rebound margin for the bulls..END OF STORY!!!
Can't win any game that way....
9 Offensive rebounds for the Knicks, still massacred, but might as well get your facts straight.
Thank God for Rose he didn't start his career with D'Antoni.
tkf wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:If I'm Amare and Melo I'm tearing Lin and Fields a new A-Hole...rofl!!!!!!!!
knicks fans are so delusional about those two guys.. really...
This is about the Knicks letting the role players on the Bulls out hustle them for loose ball and on the boards. We can't finish with with 2 of our big 3 not getting any boards in the 2nd half. From what I looked at STAT had TWO rebounds in the 2nd half. One was a defensive and the other an Offensive of his own blocked shot and Melo got 2 rebounds off his own misses as I said before he gets a lot of bounds of his own shot.
MSG3 wrote:Thibs just called out his team for playing like shit. He said "We have to play better. We're not playing well". When a good coach has a stud like Rose that will back him up and bring it on the floor it fantastic.Thank God for Rose he didn't start his career with D'Antoni.
Oh please! he would be averaging 65 points a game and 35 assists. Please ... In this offense? Did you know that MDA taught it to coach K cause he knows nothing about offense?
ChuckBuck wrote:HugeKnick4 wrote:Hey ChuckBuck...let me help you out...you are raving about Melo 8 rebounds. Melo had 1 rebound in the 2nd half...that came with 24 seconds left. No matter how hard I want this guy to prove me wrong...when things don't come his way....the Team Pays.Let me help you out. When Amare Stoudemire, your starting PF, has 3 rebounds, then that's probably the issue. Melo having 8 rebounds is a plus. Fields and Lin not boxing out and allowing 13 rebounds to Rose and Brewer to their 5 total is a problem. Please stop having so much tunnel vision and spread the blame around equally for once...
I hear you on STAT..although he had a good shooting night...when your PF only has 1 foul and 3 rebounds...something is amiss. I would have to go back and look at the Rose and Brewer rebounds to see how they got them and who was guarding them at the time. You cannot simply match up Stats to see what really transpired. I watched Melo not get any rebounds in the 2nd half...and then I went back to the stats to see how bad it really was. If you really think Lin is going to keep the league MVP off the boards...then you are a bit delusional. Again...overall the Knicks lost the game because of the rebounds they gave up...you are right spread the blame. Hard fought effort...but once again...no results.
HugeKnick4 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:HugeKnick4 wrote:Hey ChuckBuck...let me help you out...you are raving about Melo 8 rebounds. Melo had 1 rebound in the 2nd half...that came with 24 seconds left. No matter how hard I want this guy to prove me wrong...when things don't come his way....the Team Pays.Let me help you out. When Amare Stoudemire, your starting PF, has 3 rebounds, then that's probably the issue. Melo having 8 rebounds is a plus. Fields and Lin not boxing out and allowing 13 rebounds to Rose and Brewer to their 5 total is a problem. Please stop having so much tunnel vision and spread the blame around equally for once...
I hear you on STAT..although he had a good shooting night...when your PF only has 1 foul and 3 rebounds...something is amiss. I would have to go back and look at the Rose and Brewer rebounds to see how they got them and who was guarding them at the time. You cannot simply match up Stats to see what really transpired. I watched Melo not get any rebounds in the 2nd half...and then I went back to the stats to see how bad it really was. If you really think Lin is going to keep the league MVP off the boards...then you are a bit delusional. Again...overall the Knicks lost the game because of the rebounds they gave up...you are right spread the blame. Hard fought effort...but once again...no results.
Just as long as it's directed to the right players. No one player can lose the game outright, but collectively, yes Melo not boxing out, Amare not boxing out, Landry etc will cost you the game. By the way, Rose had 6 boards tonight, double his average of 3 rebounds a game.
You can see that we got nothing from JR and he's always a hot game away from an explosion. We still have to get Jared back. I think he's gonna be the key to closing out the season strong. We can't play a whole game with just STAT backing up Tyson. Jorts is OK, but he's not the long, rangy and experienced player that Jared is. We need to have the ability to put that strong defensive unit on the floor for key stretches of the game.
ChuckBuck wrote:HugeKnick4 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:HugeKnick4 wrote:Hey ChuckBuck...let me help you out...you are raving about Melo 8 rebounds. Melo had 1 rebound in the 2nd half...that came with 24 seconds left. No matter how hard I want this guy to prove me wrong...when things don't come his way....the Team Pays.Let me help you out. When Amare Stoudemire, your starting PF, has 3 rebounds, then that's probably the issue. Melo having 8 rebounds is a plus. Fields and Lin not boxing out and allowing 13 rebounds to Rose and Brewer to their 5 total is a problem. Please stop having so much tunnel vision and spread the blame around equally for once...
I hear you on STAT..although he had a good shooting night...when your PF only has 1 foul and 3 rebounds...something is amiss. I would have to go back and look at the Rose and Brewer rebounds to see how they got them and who was guarding them at the time. You cannot simply match up Stats to see what really transpired. I watched Melo not get any rebounds in the 2nd half...and then I went back to the stats to see how bad it really was. If you really think Lin is going to keep the league MVP off the boards...then you are a bit delusional. Again...overall the Knicks lost the game because of the rebounds they gave up...you are right spread the blame. Hard fought effort...but once again...no results.
Just as long as it's directed to the right players. No one player can lose the game outright, but collectively, yes Melo not boxing out, Amare not boxing out, Landry etc will cost you the game. By the way, Rose had 6 boards tonight, double his average of 3 rebounds a game.
Did you watch the game? I won't call specific guys out but you'll notice some of our big men don't box out and either stand there or just gravitate towards the ball without first having boxed out a player.
You're focusing on Derrick Rose's rebounds? Taj Gibson freakin had 13 boards and 8 of them were offensive. Oh and do you know how many minutes he played? 25 minutes. We basically made Taj Gibson look like Dennis Rodman in his prime. 13 rebounds. 8 offensive rebounds. in 25 freakin minutes.
munco wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:HugeKnick4 wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:HugeKnick4 wrote:Hey ChuckBuck...let me help you out...you are raving about Melo 8 rebounds. Melo had 1 rebound in the 2nd half...that came with 24 seconds left. No matter how hard I want this guy to prove me wrong...when things don't come his way....the Team Pays.Let me help you out. When Amare Stoudemire, your starting PF, has 3 rebounds, then that's probably the issue. Melo having 8 rebounds is a plus. Fields and Lin not boxing out and allowing 13 rebounds to Rose and Brewer to their 5 total is a problem. Please stop having so much tunnel vision and spread the blame around equally for once...
I hear you on STAT..although he had a good shooting night...when your PF only has 1 foul and 3 rebounds...something is amiss. I would have to go back and look at the Rose and Brewer rebounds to see how they got them and who was guarding them at the time. You cannot simply match up Stats to see what really transpired. I watched Melo not get any rebounds in the 2nd half...and then I went back to the stats to see how bad it really was. If you really think Lin is going to keep the league MVP off the boards...then you are a bit delusional. Again...overall the Knicks lost the game because of the rebounds they gave up...you are right spread the blame. Hard fought effort...but once again...no results.
Just as long as it's directed to the right players. No one player can lose the game outright, but collectively, yes Melo not boxing out, Amare not boxing out, Landry etc will cost you the game. By the way, Rose had 6 boards tonight, double his average of 3 rebounds a game.
Did you watch the game? I won't call specific guys out but you'll notice some of our big men don't box out and either stand there or just gravitate towards the ball without first having boxed out a player.
You're focusing on Derrick Rose's rebounds? Taj Gibson freakin had 13 boards and 8 of them were offensive. Oh and do you know how many minutes he played? 25 minutes. We basically made Taj Gibson look like Dennis Rodman in his prime. 13 rebounds. 8 offensive rebounds. in 25 freakin minutes.
When was this? Did this happen tonight?
ChuckBuck wrote:tkf wrote:22-4 offensive rebound margin for the bulls..END OF STORY!!!
Can't win any game that way....
9 Offensive rebounds for the Knicks, still massacred, but might as well get your facts straight.
actually it was 22-4 when the game was still up for grabs somewhat, I am not counting the 5 boards that melo fields got at the end of the game taking desperation shots and getting their own boards... the game was over then...
well I can answer that..
we defended
we hustled
we passed
we played together
guys played for and picked up one another
we played as one unit...
So forget the record or who we played.. why are we having such a hard time doing that now our star players are healthy....
forget blaming dantoni, or injuries, or lin, or fields.. why are we such a mess right now? why is there no identity? No leadership, no unity? when we had it for a 9-10 game stretch?
why?
tkf wrote:For get our 8-1 stretch of wins, forget the wins... I want to ask, how did we look? again forget the fact that we were 8-1.. how did we look?well I can answer that..
we defended
we hustled
we passed
we played together
guys played for and picked up one another
we played as one unit...
So forget the record or who we played.. why are we having such a hard time doing that now our star players are healthy....
forget blaming dantoni, or injuries, or lin, or fields.. why are we such a mess right now? why is there no identity? No leadership, no unity? when we had it for a 9-10 game stretch?
why?
Cause we played crappy teams on the road.
mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:For get our 8-1 stretch of wins, forget the wins... I want to ask, how did we look? again forget the fact that we were 8-1.. how did we look?well I can answer that..
we defended
we hustled
we passed
we played together
guys played for and picked up one another
we played as one unit...
So forget the record or who we played.. why are we having such a hard time doing that now our star players are healthy....
forget blaming dantoni, or injuries, or lin, or fields.. why are we such a mess right now? why is there no identity? No leadership, no unity? when we had it for a 9-10 game stretch?
why?
Cause we played crappy teams on the road.
why ignore the question.... we played crappy teams before the streak and lost.. so please don't start using that lame excuse...
so what you are saying is that we played together, played as a unit, played for one another, defended, rebounded, because we played crappy teams on the road?
that is the most ridiculous thing I have read.....
again, how we play together has nothing to do with the other team...
mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:For get our 8-1 stretch of wins, forget the wins... I want to ask, how did we look? again forget the fact that we were 8-1.. how did we look?well I can answer that..
we defended
we hustled
we passed
we played together
guys played for and picked up one another
we played as one unit...
So forget the record or who we played.. why are we having such a hard time doing that now our star players are healthy....
forget blaming dantoni, or injuries, or lin, or fields.. why are we such a mess right now? why is there no identity? No leadership, no unity? when we had it for a 9-10 game stretch?
why?
Cause we played crappy teams on the road.
I don't buy that. We started Chandler, JJ2, Billy, Fields, Lin. Shump, Bibby, Novak off the bench. That ain't a touch lineup either, but we matched our opponents and won. Some bad teams and some decent ones too.
martin wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:For get our 8-1 stretch of wins, forget the wins... I want to ask, how did we look? again forget the fact that we were 8-1.. how did we look?well I can answer that..
we defended
we hustled
we passed
we played together
guys played for and picked up one another
we played as one unit...
So forget the record or who we played.. why are we having such a hard time doing that now our star players are healthy....
forget blaming dantoni, or injuries, or lin, or fields.. why are we such a mess right now? why is there no identity? No leadership, no unity? when we had it for a 9-10 game stretch?
why?
Cause we played crappy teams on the road.
I don't buy that. We started Chandler, JJ2, Billy, Fields, Lin. Shump, Bibby, Novak off the bench. That ain't a touch lineup either, but we matched our opponents and won. Some bad teams and some decent ones too.
We did not beat any good teams on the road. That has thrown us into a tailspin.
Its a combination of a number of things:
1. Playing a much tougher road schedule
2. The Boston game sucked a bit of like out of us
3. Teams are learning how to play Lin
4. Melo's shooting is just off
5. Stat getting killed on the glass and on the defensive end over all
6. Teams are figuring out that it is really easy to beat Lin of the dribble and the help D is weak
7, 8 and 9. We really miss JJ - how scary is that?
10. Killer road schedule - created domino effect
martin wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:For get our 8-1 stretch of wins, forget the wins... I want to ask, how did we look? again forget the fact that we were 8-1.. how did we look?well I can answer that..
we defended
we hustled
we passed
we played together
guys played for and picked up one another
we played as one unit...
So forget the record or who we played.. why are we having such a hard time doing that now our star players are healthy....
forget blaming dantoni, or injuries, or lin, or fields.. why are we such a mess right now? why is there no identity? No leadership, no unity? when we had it for a 9-10 game stretch?
why?
Cause we played crappy teams on the road.
I don't buy that. We started Chandler, JJ2, Billy, Fields, Lin. Shump, Bibby, Novak off the bench. That ain't a touch lineup either, but we matched our opponents and won. Some bad teams and some decent ones too.
we beat the lakers, dallas and utah during that stretch as well.. all good teams..
mrKnickShot wrote:martin wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:For get our 8-1 stretch of wins, forget the wins... I want to ask, how did we look? again forget the fact that we were 8-1.. how did we look?well I can answer that..
we defended
we hustled
we passed
we played together
guys played for and picked up one another
we played as one unit...
So forget the record or who we played.. why are we having such a hard time doing that now our star players are healthy....
forget blaming dantoni, or injuries, or lin, or fields.. why are we such a mess right now? why is there no identity? No leadership, no unity? when we had it for a 9-10 game stretch?
why?
Cause we played crappy teams on the road.
I don't buy that. We started Chandler, JJ2, Billy, Fields, Lin. Shump, Bibby, Novak off the bench. That ain't a touch lineup either, but we matched our opponents and won. Some bad teams and some decent ones too.
We did not beat any good teams on the road. That has thrown us into a tailspin.
Its a combination of a number of things:
1. Playing a much tougher road schedule
2. The Boston game sucked a bit of like out of us
3. Teams are learning how to play Lin
4. Melo's shooting is just off
5. Stat getting killed on the glass and on the defensive end over all
6. Teams are figuring out that it is really easy to beat Lin of the dribble and the help D is weak
7, 8 and 9. We really miss JJ - how scary is that?
10. Killer road schedule - created domino effect
you are missing the point.. forget who we played or how many we won or lose... it was how we played as a team that mattered.. we played so much better, forget the opponent, you should be able to play well as a team, regardless of who you play... my question is, how is it that those guys played so well together, not much practice, or time to "gel"... and our "stars" need time? that is the excuse..
tkf wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:tkf wrote:For get our 8-1 stretch of wins, forget the wins... I want to ask, how did we look? again forget the fact that we were 8-1.. how did we look?well I can answer that..
we defended
we hustled
we passed
we played together
guys played for and picked up one another
we played as one unit...
So forget the record or who we played.. why are we having such a hard time doing that now our star players are healthy....
forget blaming dantoni, or injuries, or lin, or fields.. why are we such a mess right now? why is there no identity? No leadership, no unity? when we had it for a 9-10 game stretch?
why?
Cause we played crappy teams on the road.
why ignore the question.... we played crappy teams before the streak and lost.. so please don't start using that lame excuse...
so what you are saying is that we played together, played as a unit, played for one another, defended, rebounded, because we played crappy teams on the road?
that is the most ridiculous thing I have read.....
again, how we play together has nothing to do with the other team...
there is friction from melo on offense - he doesn't like being in the corner. think about it - you know d'antoni must ask him to man the corner 3 sometimes, he always floats in and collapses the spacing. amar'e mentioned it again tonight. novak spaced the floor better. hell, even walker did.
amar'e kills the defense. jeffries got every loose ball, took 5 charges a game, rebounded like crazy, hustled. amar'e TRIES... but he doesn't take charges, he doesn't get loose balls, he barely rebounds.
it's just a different team with melo and amar'e on the floor. and hubie brown was right tonight - you have those guys on the floor, you got to go to them. that's the reason they're on the floor. you're gonna look them off on offense, it might as well be jeffries or novak, because at least those guys hustle or spread the floor.
this is about d'antoni being stubborn with melo and melo being stubborn with d'antoni. amar'e is a strong mda supporter, just not the player he used to be and was never a good defender. and amar'e and tyson haven't figured out their spacing too well either.
this team is trying, but when effort on D doesn't get stops or rebounds or turnovers, it is deflating. jeffries and shump were fantastic at forcing turnovers, effort on D was rewarded. amar'e was giving up second chance points all night long... wasted effort on D, deflating. etc