mrKnickShot wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Vmart wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Vmart wrote:Melo isn't going anywhere not until Phil Jackson gets a chance to coach him.
Do you really see Melo as someone PhilJax would want to coach?
To my mind, he's nowhere near the class of play PhilJax coaches. He's not anywhere near Kobe or Mike!
I'll tell you what let Phil Jackson decide his fate as to what he is and what he is not.
Would Dolan work WITH Phil Jackson?
I can't imagine Phil Jackson coming into a situation like this where you have Dolan and Isiah plotting against him.
Put it this way Phil will coach the Knicks for the right price. Phil loves superstars as much as Dolan.
only problem is we dont have any.
You might have said the same thing about Kobe before PJax took over in LA.
The Kobe hating was way worse than this but who would want to remember that.
It took a few years for that to happen.
I would look to deal Stoudemire first to see if that makes a difference with Melo. Then if it doesn't work fire Dantoni. Those 2 things need to happen before trading Melo, a young, dynamic scorer who's talent would be extremely difficult to replace. If this was a deep playoff team without him, i would say get him off the team, but we are not a deep playoff team, we are a first round playoff team at best without Melo. Melo is proven in the west as the only major superstar on a strong playoff team. Amare is not, and is older and more injury prone. Look to deal him for another PF like Smith, Scola, etc, and see what difference it makes first. I think it is more important to find the right combination of players before trading your best player.
Knixkik wrote:I would look to deal Stoudemire first to see if that makes a difference with Melo. Then if it doesn't work fire Dantoni. Those 2 things need to happen before trading Melo, a young, dynamic scorer who's talent would be extremely difficult to replace. If this was a deep playoff team without him, i would say get him off the team, but we are not a deep playoff team, we are a first round playoff team at best without Melo. Melo is proven in the west as the only major superstar on a strong playoff team. Amare is not, and is older and more injury prone. Look to deal him for another PF like Smith, Scola, etc, and see what difference it makes first. I think it is more important to find the right combination of players before trading your best player.
i agree that its clear both guys dont fit at the same time. i think if amare goes melo fit fit better since he will be the main guy
JCrusher wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Vmart wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Vmart wrote:Melo isn't going anywhere not until Phil Jackson gets a chance to coach him.
Do you really see Melo as someone PhilJax would want to coach?
To my mind, he's nowhere near the class of play PhilJax coaches. He's not anywhere near Kobe or Mike!
I'll tell you what let Phil Jackson decide his fate as to what he is and what he is not.
Would Dolan work WITH Phil Jackson?
I can't imagine Phil Jackson coming into a situation like this where you have Dolan and Isiah plotting against him.
Put it this way Phil will coach the Knicks for the right price. Phil loves superstars as much as Dolan.
only problem is we dont have any.
You might have said the same thing about Kobe before PJax took over in LA.
The Kobe hating was way worse than this but who would want to remember that.
It took a few years for that to happen.
Yeah I know. As you so eloquently stated "Kobe won 3 rings without PJax" GTFO
LOL
Just kidding buddy!
what happens when Josh Smith loses his athleticism? we get the next Tracy McGrady?
I'm not opposed to dealing Melo, but if it isn't for the right deal, what will happen is we dump him at a discount and then another team builds actually fits him into a structure that works. and then this forum starts churning out "Why Did We Trade Zach Randolph Melo for Nothing?" threads
JCrusher wrote:Knixkik wrote:I would look to deal Stoudemire first to see if that makes a difference with Melo. Then if it doesn't work fire Dantoni. Those 2 things need to happen before trading Melo, a young, dynamic scorer who's talent would be extremely difficult to replace. If this was a deep playoff team without him, i would say get him off the team, but we are not a deep playoff team, we are a first round playoff team at best without Melo. Melo is proven in the west as the only major superstar on a strong playoff team. Amare is not, and is older and more injury prone. Look to deal him for another PF like Smith, Scola, etc, and see what difference it makes first. I think it is more important to find the right combination of players before trading your best player.
i agree that its clear both guys dont fit at the same time. i think if amare goes melo fit fit better since he will be the main guy
That's exactly what i'm saying. Let's give Melo a chance for this to be his team. He excelled being surrounded by strong role players in the past (Billups, Nene, Martin, Donte Jones, etc.) Let Lin learn to be his Billups, Chandler is Martin as the defensive enforcer, and we have some other solid role players like Shumpert, Fields, Novak, Davis, Harrellson, JJ, etc who all fit specific roles off the bench. Trade Stat to add another good fit for Melo, then let's see what happens.
Knixkik wrote:JCrusher wrote:Knixkik wrote:I would look to deal Stoudemire first to see if that makes a difference with Melo. Then if it doesn't work fire Dantoni. Those 2 things need to happen before trading Melo, a young, dynamic scorer who's talent would be extremely difficult to replace. If this was a deep playoff team without him, i would say get him off the team, but we are not a deep playoff team, we are a first round playoff team at best without Melo. Melo is proven in the west as the only major superstar on a strong playoff team. Amare is not, and is older and more injury prone. Look to deal him for another PF like Smith, Scola, etc, and see what difference it makes first. I think it is more important to find the right combination of players before trading your best player.
i agree that its clear both guys dont fit at the same time. i think if amare goes melo fit fit better since he will be the main guy
That's exactly what i'm saying. Let's give Melo a chance for this to be his team. He excelled being surrounded by strong role players in the past (Billups, Nene, Martin, Donte Jones, etc.) Let Lin learn to be his Billups, Chandler is Martin as the defensive enforcer, and we have some other solid role players like Shumpert, Fields, Novak, Davis, Harrellson, JJ, etc who all fit specific roles off the bench. Trade Stat to add another good fit for Melo, then let's see what happens.
hey i dont have a probelm with that i would even make amare come off the bench but we know that wont happen
JCrusher wrote:Knixkik wrote:JCrusher wrote:Knixkik wrote:I would look to deal Stoudemire first to see if that makes a difference with Melo. Then if it doesn't work fire Dantoni. Those 2 things need to happen before trading Melo, a young, dynamic scorer who's talent would be extremely difficult to replace. If this was a deep playoff team without him, i would say get him off the team, but we are not a deep playoff team, we are a first round playoff team at best without Melo. Melo is proven in the west as the only major superstar on a strong playoff team. Amare is not, and is older and more injury prone. Look to deal him for another PF like Smith, Scola, etc, and see what difference it makes first. I think it is more important to find the right combination of players before trading your best player.
i agree that its clear both guys dont fit at the same time. i think if amare goes melo fit fit better since he will be the main guy
That's exactly what i'm saying. Let's give Melo a chance for this to be his team. He excelled being surrounded by strong role players in the past (Billups, Nene, Martin, Donte Jones, etc.) Let Lin learn to be his Billups, Chandler is Martin as the defensive enforcer, and we have some other solid role players like Shumpert, Fields, Novak, Davis, Harrellson, JJ, etc who all fit specific roles off the bench. Trade Stat to add another good fit for Melo, then let's see what happens.
hey i dont have a probelm with that i would even make amare come off the bench but we know that wont happen
Exactly, that won't happen. Need a trade.
Knixkik wrote:JCrusher wrote:Knixkik wrote:JCrusher wrote:Knixkik wrote:I would look to deal Stoudemire first to see if that makes a difference with Melo. Then if it doesn't work fire Dantoni. Those 2 things need to happen before trading Melo, a young, dynamic scorer who's talent would be extremely difficult to replace. If this was a deep playoff team without him, i would say get him off the team, but we are not a deep playoff team, we are a first round playoff team at best without Melo. Melo is proven in the west as the only major superstar on a strong playoff team. Amare is not, and is older and more injury prone. Look to deal him for another PF like Smith, Scola, etc, and see what difference it makes first. I think it is more important to find the right combination of players before trading your best player.
i agree that its clear both guys dont fit at the same time. i think if amare goes melo fit fit better since he will be the main guy
That's exactly what i'm saying. Let's give Melo a chance for this to be his team. He excelled being surrounded by strong role players in the past (Billups, Nene, Martin, Donte Jones, etc.) Let Lin learn to be his Billups, Chandler is Martin as the defensive enforcer, and we have some other solid role players like Shumpert, Fields, Novak, Davis, Harrellson, JJ, etc who all fit specific roles off the bench. Trade Stat to add another good fit for Melo, then let's see what happens.
hey i dont have a probelm with that i would even make amare come off the bench but we know that wont happen
Exactly, that won't happen. Need a trade.
Its gonna be tough to trade him with that contract and his awful year he has had
So I was screwing around with trade checker the other day, and I wouldn't oppose a Gerald Wallace, Nicolas Batum, filler and hopefully a pick for Melo. The Trailblazers need a lead banana. The Knicks are clearly at their best when they can force a transition game so why not get those types of players.
SupremeCommander wrote:So I was screwing around with trade checker the other day, and I wouldn't oppose a Gerald Wallace, Nicolas Batum, filler and hopefully a pick for Melo. The Trailblazers need a lead banana. The Knicks are clearly at their best when they can force a transition game so why not get those types of players.
You want to trade players and keep MDA? I guess its one or the other ...
mrKnickShot wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:So I was screwing around with trade checker the other day, and I wouldn't oppose a Gerald Wallace, Nicolas Batum, filler and hopefully a pick for Melo. The Trailblazers need a lead banana. The Knicks are clearly at their best when they can force a transition game so why not get those types of players.
You want to trade players and keep MDA? I guess its one or the other ...
well he knows you know PJAX so we have faith in you. GET IT DONE we need PJAX lol
JCrusher wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:So I was screwing around with trade checker the other day, and I wouldn't oppose a Gerald Wallace, Nicolas Batum, filler and hopefully a pick for Melo. The Trailblazers need a lead banana. The Knicks are clearly at their best when they can force a transition game so why not get those types of players.
You want to trade players and keep MDA? I guess its one or the other ...
well he knows you know PJAX so we have faith in you. GET IT DONE we need PJAX lol
Ok JCrusher. Let the adults talk without interrupting and I will give you a lolly if you behave for an hour. Okay? If that does not work, we can always put you back on the Concerta. Okay? Now run along.
SupremeCommander wrote:So I was screwing around with trade checker the other day, and I wouldn't oppose a Gerald Wallace, Nicolas Batum, filler and hopefully a pick for Melo. The Trailblazers need a lead banana. The Knicks are clearly at their best when they can force a transition game so why not get those types of players.
Good Point i agree we do really well in transition. It really opens up the floor and gets others involved i wish it could happen
mrKnickShot wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:So I was screwing around with trade checker the other day, and I wouldn't oppose a Gerald Wallace, Nicolas Batum, filler and hopefully a pick for Melo. The Trailblazers need a lead banana. The Knicks are clearly at their best when they can force a transition game so why not get those types of players.
You want to trade players and keep MDA? I guess its one or the other ...
not saying that I want to trade, but if I had to i would look for something like that.
my preferences right now would be, in reverse order:
(3) trade players
(2) fire Pringles
(1) trade players and fire Pringles
but I wouldn't do anything until after the season. no sense in rushing into yet another drastic decision.
SupremeCommander wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:So I was screwing around with trade checker the other day, and I wouldn't oppose a Gerald Wallace, Nicolas Batum, filler and hopefully a pick for Melo. The Trailblazers need a lead banana. The Knicks are clearly at their best when they can force a transition game so why not get those types of players.
You want to trade players and keep MDA? I guess its one or the other ...
not saying that I want to trade, but if I had to i would look for something like that.
my preferences right now would be, in reverse order:
(3) trade players
(2) fire Pringles
(1) trade players and fire Pringles
but I wouldn't do anything until after the season. no sense in rushing into yet another drastic decision.
Yes. I agree with that order. But I would want PJax to decide who stays and who goes.
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Michael6835 wrote:Really? Vince Carter?
The team has sucked, but Melo has been on until he got here in NY. The moment they traded for Melo meant they were not going to be a MDA type of team. They should have just tossed MDA then and brought in someone who can implement something a little different.
This system is not working, the Lin finding is good, but we were fooled into thinking that we somehow found an ace when we really just beat bad teams. Why can't we run the Triangle or something that would maximize the skill set of the players on the team. There was this coach, can't remember his name, who had great success running the triangle with 2 different teams, but with players of similar skill set.
They didn't have flashy HOF point guards.
You are right can't be fooled by linsanity and beating bad teams. That team with Jeffries starting at PF can't beat legitimate playoff teams. You can't say we are better without Amare & melo
gunsnewing wrote:mMichael6835 wrote:Really? Vince Carter?
The team has sucked, but Melo has been on until he got here in NY. The moment they traded for Melo meant they were not going to be a MDA type of team. They should have just tossed MDA then and brought in someone who can implement something a little different.
This system is not working, the Lin finding is good, but we were fooled into thinking that we somehow found an ace when we really just beat bad teams. Why can't we run the Triangle or something that would maximize the skill set of the players on the team. There was this coach, can't remember his name, who had great success running the triangle with 2 different teams, but with players of similar skill set.
They didn't have flashy HOF point guards.
You are right can't be fooled by linsanity and beating bad teams. That team with Jeffries starting at PF can't beat legitimate playoff teams. You can't say we are better without Amare & melo
You're preaching to the choir - they will make us prove it by saying we need to sit Melo and Amare and play the same schedule
