Knicks · Question, with Luol Deng out, why did Carmelo shot 8 of 21? (page 2)

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

This is the CRUX!

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

Totally agree, however, Amare, Allan and Tmac are more willing and cooperative than Melo.

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

The next coach needs to push these guys every minute of every game. This group is mentally weak. This is one thing MDA doesnt help with. Its pathetic that $100mm stars need to be yelled at and 'motivated' but this is whats its come down too.

Melo has quit on this coach and in doing so quit on his team. I hope he gets booed off the court with his $100mm and his 40% shooting (coaches fault).

Zero accountability

KnicksFE wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

Totally agree, however, Amare, Allan and Tmac are more willing and cooperative than Melo.

The blame is on the wrong guy. Melo played ok last night the Knicks lost because of rebounding and last I looked he had 8 rebounds. The Knicks pf/c Amare had 3 rebounds that is the reason the Knicks lost. Not because of Melo.

fishmike wrote:Zero accountability

I don't understand this culture. It really chaps my ass. When I was 18 and a pledge the pledge educator was all over us about accountability. He held us accountable and demanded that we hold each other accountable. And he held us accoutnable if we faield to hold each other accountable. And this was a bunch of kids policing each other. I don't understand why that wouldn't be a priority at any professional organization

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

Totally agree, however, Amare, Allan and Tmac are more willing and cooperative than Melo.

The blame is on the wrong guy. Melo played ok last night the Knicks lost because of rebounding and last I looked he had 8 rebounds. The Knicks pf/c Amare had 3 rebounds that is the reason the Knicks lost. Not because of Melo.

While I agree that Amare is also at fault, did you watch the game? Melo had like 5 or 6 rebound in the first quarter alone, and 2 or 3 rebounds the rest of the way. When you combine that with his poor 8 of 21 shooting against Kyle Korver, to me he is just as guilty as Amare.

crzymdups wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

Baaaarf.

I wonder if Stan Van Gundy would be available if Dwight left Orlando?

You don't want to take a chance on a coach who had such great success in PHX? I thought that was prerequisite?

Oh.... Wetphal never won in europe. Thats a prereq too

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

Totally agree, however, Amare, Allan and Tmac are more willing and cooperative than Melo.

The blame is on the wrong guy. Melo played ok last night the Knicks lost because of rebounding and last I looked he had 8 rebounds. The Knicks pf/c Amare had 3 rebounds that is the reason the Knicks lost. Not because of Melo.

While I agree that Amare is also at fault, did you watch the game? Melo had like 5 or 6 rebound in the first quarter alone, and 2 or 3 rebounds the rest of the way. When you combine that with his poor 8 of 21 shooting against Kyle Korver, to me he is just as guilty as Amare.

No the blame goes to the entire team there isn't one players fault. You can even say Chandler missed to many free throws it is not fair to target one player when all the players didn't play up to par. This game can be chalked up to what amounts to as a team loss.

HugeKnick4 wrote:The Knicks lost because the gave up too many offensive rebounds. Somethings are that simple.

while correct, no one will support this statement because it's impossible to scream about it or turn it into an agenda

SupremeCommander wrote:

HugeKnick4 wrote:The Knicks lost because the gave up too many offensive rebounds. Somethings are that simple.

while correct, no one will support this statement because it's impossible to scream about it or turn it into an agenda

really?? let me try:

1. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because we always have to help off to stop Lin's man which puts everyone out of position. LIN SUCKS!!!

2. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because d'antoni's switch defense results in the mismatches under the basket and guys out of position. MDA SUCKS!!!

3. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because melo gets disinterested when the offense doesn't flow through him. MELO SUCKS!!!

4. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because amare was not making an effort underneath the basket. AMARE SUCKS!!!

eViL wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

HugeKnick4 wrote:The Knicks lost because the gave up too many offensive rebounds. Somethings are that simple.

while correct, no one will support this statement because it's impossible to scream about it or turn it into an agenda

really?? let me try:

1. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because we always have to help off to stop Lin's man which puts everyone out of position. LIN SUCKS!!!

2. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because d'antoni's switch defense results in the mismatches under the basket and guys out of position. MDA SUCKS!!!

3. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because melo gets disinterested when the offense doesn't flow through him. MELO SUCKS!!!

4. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because amare was not making an effort underneath the basket. AMARE SUCKS!!!

thanks man... this forum desperately needed more vitriol and less logic.

SupremeCommander wrote:

eViL wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

HugeKnick4 wrote:The Knicks lost because the gave up too many offensive rebounds. Somethings are that simple.

while correct, no one will support this statement because it's impossible to scream about it or turn it into an agenda

really?? let me try:

1. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because we always have to help off to stop Lin's man which puts everyone out of position. LIN SUCKS!!!

2. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because d'antoni's switch defense results in the mismatches under the basket and guys out of position. MDA SUCKS!!!

3. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because melo gets disinterested when the offense doesn't flow through him. MELO SUCKS!!!

4. we gave up too many offensive rebounds because amare was not making an effort underneath the basket. AMARE SUCKS!!!

thanks man... this forum desperately needed more vitriol and less logic.

lol

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

Totally agree, however, Amare, Allan and Tmac are more willing and cooperative than Melo.

The blame is on the wrong guy. Melo played ok last night the Knicks lost because of rebounding and last I looked he had 8 rebounds. The Knicks pf/c Amare had 3 rebounds that is the reason the Knicks lost. Not because of Melo.

While I agree that Amare is also at fault, did you watch the game? Melo had like 5 or 6 rebound in the first quarter alone, and 2 or 3 rebounds the rest of the way. When you combine that with his poor 8 of 21 shooting against Kyle Korver, to me he is just as guilty as Amare.

No the blame goes to the entire team there isn't one players fault. You can even say Chandler missed to many free throws it is not fair to target one player when all the players didn't play up to par. This game can be chalked up to what amounts to as a team loss.

While technically correct since it is team game, to me the role players played like what they are, ROLE PLAYERS, the only two guys underperforming so far are our suppose to be SUPERSTART.

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

Totally agree, however, Amare, Allan and Tmac are more willing and cooperative than Melo.

The blame is on the wrong guy. Melo played ok last night the Knicks lost because of rebounding and last I looked he had 8 rebounds. The Knicks pf/c Amare had 3 rebounds that is the reason the Knicks lost. Not because of Melo.

While I agree that Amare is also at fault, did you watch the game? Melo had like 5 or 6 rebound in the first quarter alone, and 2 or 3 rebounds the rest of the way. When you combine that with his poor 8 of 21 shooting against Kyle Korver, to me he is just as guilty as Amare.

No the blame goes to the entire team there isn't one players fault. You can even say Chandler missed to many free throws it is not fair to target one player when all the players didn't play up to par. This game can be chalked up to what amounts to as a team loss.

While technically correct since it is team game, to me the role players played like what they are, ROLE PLAYERS, the only two guys underperforming so far are our suppose to be SUPERSTART.

I don't know why you are saying they are underperforming. Last night Melo had 21 points, Amare was hot and was frozen out in the fourth quarter. Even Melo was frozen out he gets low post position and he isn't given the ball. Tell me what is the requirement for them? Because if the go off for 30 and lose everyone will say they were hogging the ball. If they scoreless than they are underachieving.

For me I want Amare averaging 25 points a night and Melo also. Defensive effort needs to increase and that challenge is for all the Knicks player not just Melo and Amare.

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

Totally agree, however, Amare, Allan and Tmac are more willing and cooperative than Melo.

The blame is on the wrong guy. Melo played ok last night the Knicks lost because of rebounding and last I looked he had 8 rebounds. The Knicks pf/c Amare had 3 rebounds that is the reason the Knicks lost. Not because of Melo.

While I agree that Amare is also at fault, did you watch the game? Melo had like 5 or 6 rebound in the first quarter alone, and 2 or 3 rebounds the rest of the way. When you combine that with his poor 8 of 21 shooting against Kyle Korver, to me he is just as guilty as Amare.

No the blame goes to the entire team there isn't one players fault. You can even say Chandler missed to many free throws it is not fair to target one player when all the players didn't play up to par. This game can be chalked up to what amounts to as a team loss.

While technically correct since it is team game, to me the role players played like what they are, ROLE PLAYERS, the only two guys underperforming so far are our suppose to be SUPERSTART.

I don't know why you are saying they are underperforming. Last night Melo had 21 points, Amare was hot and was frozen out in the fourth quarter. Even Melo was frozen out he gets low post position and he isn't given the ball. Tell me what is the requirement for them? Because if the go off for 30 and lose everyone will say they were hogging the ball. If they scoreless than they are underachieving.

For me I want Amare averaging 25 points a night and Melo also. Defensive effort needs to increase and that challenge is for all the Knicks player not just Melo and Amare.

Melo had a good first Quarter. Please...he did not have a good game. Nobody on the Knicks had an all-around good game. 21 points on 38% shooting is underpeforming. 1 Rebound in the 2nd Half is underperforming. Pouting...is underpeforming.

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

Totally agree, however, Amare, Allan and Tmac are more willing and cooperative than Melo.

The blame is on the wrong guy. Melo played ok last night the Knicks lost because of rebounding and last I looked he had 8 rebounds. The Knicks pf/c Amare had 3 rebounds that is the reason the Knicks lost. Not because of Melo.

While I agree that Amare is also at fault, did you watch the game? Melo had like 5 or 6 rebound in the first quarter alone, and 2 or 3 rebounds the rest of the way. When you combine that with his poor 8 of 21 shooting against Kyle Korver, to me he is just as guilty as Amare.

No the blame goes to the entire team there isn't one players fault. You can even say Chandler missed to many free throws it is not fair to target one player when all the players didn't play up to par. This game can be chalked up to what amounts to as a team loss.

While technically correct since it is team game, to me the role players played like what they are, ROLE PLAYERS, the only two guys underperforming so far are our suppose to be SUPERSTART.

I don't know why you are saying they are underperforming. Last night Melo had 21 points, Amare was hot and was frozen out in the fourth quarter. Even Melo was frozen out he gets low post position and he isn't given the ball. Tell me what is the requirement for them? Because if the go off for 30 and lose everyone will say they were hogging the ball. If they scoreless than they are underachieving.

For me I want Amare averaging 25 points a night and Melo also. Defensive effort needs to increase and that challenge is for all the Knicks player not just Melo and Amare.

While 21 point from Melo looks decent, the fact of the matter is that he made only 8 out of 21 shots, for a guy that don’t play defense, lacks intangibles and rally solely on his offensive game, this is unacceptable. Do you know that for the entire season Melo is shooting 40% from 2 and 30% from 3, this is equal to having Ben Wallace not playing defense, so what’s his purpose?

As far as Amare, I have said it many times; he is also at fault obviously for not playing better defense and underperforming on the offensive end badly.

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

Totally agree, however, Amare, Allan and Tmac are more willing and cooperative than Melo.

The blame is on the wrong guy. Melo played ok last night the Knicks lost because of rebounding and last I looked he had 8 rebounds. The Knicks pf/c Amare had 3 rebounds that is the reason the Knicks lost. Not because of Melo.

While I agree that Amare is also at fault, did you watch the game? Melo had like 5 or 6 rebound in the first quarter alone, and 2 or 3 rebounds the rest of the way. When you combine that with his poor 8 of 21 shooting against Kyle Korver, to me he is just as guilty as Amare.

No the blame goes to the entire team there isn't one players fault. You can even say Chandler missed to many free throws it is not fair to target one player when all the players didn't play up to par. This game can be chalked up to what amounts to as a team loss.

While technically correct since it is team game, to me the role players played like what they are, ROLE PLAYERS, the only two guys underperforming so far are our suppose to be SUPERSTART.

I don't know why you are saying they are underperforming. Last night Melo had 21 points, Amare was hot and was frozen out in the fourth quarter. Even Melo was frozen out he gets low post position and he isn't given the ball. Tell me what is the requirement for them? Because if the go off for 30 and lose everyone will say they were hogging the ball. If they scoreless than they are underachieving.

For me I want Amare averaging 25 points a night and Melo also. Defensive effort needs to increase and that challenge is for all the Knicks player not just Melo and Amare.

While 21 point from Melo looks decent, the fact of the matter is that he made only 8 out of 21 shots, for a guy that don’t play defense, lacks intangibles and rally solely on his offensive game, this is unacceptable. Do you know that for the entire season Melo is shooting 40% from 2 and 30% from 3, this is equal to having Ben Wallace not playing defense, so what’s his purpose?

As far as Amare, I have said it many times; he is also at fault obviously for not playing better defense and underperforming on the offensive end badly.

Rose shot 12-29 and he is on a pedestal.

Then suddenly when we are down in the last 2 minutes he is moving around and active. It was like he just got on the floor.

Now, I will say Lin can try to do more there as well, but Melo needs to position himself for an entry pass. Melo and Lin on the P&R is deadly, they had no answer for it and we stopped running it. I don't get it. Even without the coach Lin has to see it's working and him and Melo both need to get it going. Really weird, in a way it's like a destructive plan out there.

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

Vmart wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.

JVG would have a hard time dealing with Melo’s defense.

JVG handled Tmac and Allan Houston pretty well.

I think he'd have a harder time with Amar'e's D.

Totally agree, however, Amare, Allan and Tmac are more willing and cooperative than Melo.

The blame is on the wrong guy. Melo played ok last night the Knicks lost because of rebounding and last I looked he had 8 rebounds. The Knicks pf/c Amare had 3 rebounds that is the reason the Knicks lost. Not because of Melo.

While I agree that Amare is also at fault, did you watch the game? Melo had like 5 or 6 rebound in the first quarter alone, and 2 or 3 rebounds the rest of the way. When you combine that with his poor 8 of 21 shooting against Kyle Korver, to me he is just as guilty as Amare.

No the blame goes to the entire team there isn't one players fault. You can even say Chandler missed to many free throws it is not fair to target one player when all the players didn't play up to par. This game can be chalked up to what amounts to as a team loss.

While technically correct since it is team game, to me the role players played like what they are, ROLE PLAYERS, the only two guys underperforming so far are our suppose to be SUPERSTART.

I don't know why you are saying they are underperforming. Last night Melo had 21 points, Amare was hot and was frozen out in the fourth quarter. Even Melo was frozen out he gets low post position and he isn't given the ball. Tell me what is the requirement for them? Because if the go off for 30 and lose everyone will say they were hogging the ball. If they scoreless than they are underachieving.

For me I want Amare averaging 25 points a night and Melo also. Defensive effort needs to increase and that challenge is for all the Knicks player not just Melo and Amare.

While 21 point from Melo looks decent, the fact of the matter is that he made only 8 out of 21 shots, for a guy that don’t play defense, lacks intangibles and rally solely on his offensive game, this is unacceptable. Do you know that for the entire season Melo is shooting 40% from 2 and 30% from 3, this is equal to having Ben Wallace not playing defense, so what’s his purpose?

As far as Amare, I have said it many times; he is also at fault obviously for not playing better defense and underperforming on the offensive end badly.

Rose shot 12-29 and he is on a pedestal.

Yesterday yes, but for the season Rose is shooting 45% from two with 8 assists per game, HUGE DIFFERENCE.

While I do admit that Melo sometimes do get frozen out on offense, whenever he gets the ball, he has being an ineffective scorer for the Knicks this season, shooting very poorly must games.

I just can’t believe someone is actually disagreeing that our two best players have underperform this entire season, seriously do you watch NBA games?