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it's getting bad because Melo has begun to snipe back at Amare in the media.
earlier this season Amare and Chandler both made references to "buying in." suggesting to me that they were sending a message to Melo to stick with coaches plan. pure speculation on my part (i know).
now last night, we have Melo telling the media "we have to get on the floor for those loose balls." for those who forgot (or didn't see it), there was a loose ball late in the game that a Bulls player dove for while Amare stayed on his feet. had he dove, Amare was likely to secure the ball.
all season they've been pretty good about showing a united front. i think it's time they shut everyone else out, lock the locker room door, and go at it. dudes need to yell at each other and get it out. maybe they come out hurt, scarred, pissed, etc.
or maybe they come out a team.
eViL wrote:when are the players gonna step up and hold each other accountable?
I wish the answer was 'yesterday'
No one played big yesterday. The entire team should be embarrassed with how many 5th and 6th opportunities the Bulls had last night. Not hitting glass for defensive rebounds at the end of a game? Makes me sick
eViL wrote:all season they've been pretty good about showing a united front. i think it's time they shut everyone else out, lock the locker room door, and go at it. dudes need to yell at each other and get it out. maybe they come out hurt, scarred, pissed, etc.
I said the same thing in the game thread. They've got to sort it out an pull it together. I'd be happy if I heard they were screaming at each other and were breaking stuff. Some passion would be welcomed.
It would also be nice if the coach would ride these guys and maybe unify the team behind their hatred for him. Pringles should take coaching lessons from the NY Ranger's John Tortorella
The 2 guys we are supposedly building around (Amare + Melo), aren't showing leadership qualities (I don't get why Amare isn't as he did it last year pre-Melo trade) and aren't setting the tone for how much effort this team should be giving on a night by night basis.
I went to a pre-season Celtics game a few years ago (one of the first Celtics games with KG and Ray Allen in uniform) and that team played the pre-season game like it was the NBA finals. As much as I dislike KG, him and the other 2 stars wouldn't let anyone slack b/c all 3 of them were giving 110% effort on the floor.
We don't have anything close to that right now because Chandler is really the only leader and he was brought in to be a complementary piece to the puzzle. Our two captains are not doing their job, simple as that. You would think that them being out and seeing Lin will this team to all of those victories would have been a wake up call, but it hasn't been and if that doesn't get them going, I don't know what can.
SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:all season they've been pretty good about showing a united front. i think it's time they shut everyone else out, lock the locker room door, and go at it. dudes need to yell at each other and get it out. maybe they come out hurt, scarred, pissed, etc.I said the same thing in the game thread. They've got to sort it out an pull it together. I'd be happy if I heard they were screaming at each other and were breaking stuff. Some passion would be welcomed.
It would also be nice if the coach would ride these guys and maybe unify the team behind their hatred for him. Pringles should take coaching lessons from the NY Ranger's John Tortorella
i'm sure we're not the only fans that are wondering why this team isn't showing more passion. i wish d'antoni would break the media policy and say what he really feels. it'd be amazing for once to just see him be honest instead of protecting his players. all signs point to melo despising d'antoni and his offense and yet, when asked about melo in post-game, d'antoni says "he's fine."
it's like a family that goes through pain-staking efforts to appear perfect and hide all their problems. while, from the outside, we all know, the pain-staking effort should be directed towards FIXING THE FUCKING PROBLEMS!!!
eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:all season they've been pretty good about showing a united front. i think it's time they shut everyone else out, lock the locker room door, and go at it. dudes need to yell at each other and get it out. maybe they come out hurt, scarred, pissed, etc.I said the same thing in the game thread. They've got to sort it out an pull it together. I'd be happy if I heard they were screaming at each other and were breaking stuff. Some passion would be welcomed.
It would also be nice if the coach would ride these guys and maybe unify the team behind their hatred for him. Pringles should take coaching lessons from the NY Ranger's John Tortorella
i'm sure we're not the only fans that are wondering why this team isn't showing more passion. i wish d'antoni would break the media policy and say what he really feels. it'd be amazing for once to just see him be honest instead of protecting his players. all signs point to melo despising d'antoni and his offense and yet, when asked about melo in post-game, d'antoni says "he's fine."
it's like a family that goes through pain-staking efforts to appear perfect and hide all their problems. while, from the outside, we all know, the pain-staking effort should be directed towards FIXING THE FUCKING PROBLEMS!!!
amen brother
I never really considered this, but I think you're onto something here. we all have known for a while that the media policy is insane and something that has more of a place in communist Russia. but I never really considered that the media policy undermines the operation. in th eother thread, you're spot on, Phil Jackson wouldn't be as effective here because he couldn't call his players out in the media
He has no power to call out any of his players in the media, even if he wanted to. The franchise has made it clear that they would do everything possible to bring Melo here and I think D'Antoni is smart enough to realize that if he goes up against Melo, he is fired in 2 seconds.
From what I've seen, he seems to be doing everything possible to make it work with Melo (even throwing in iso sets for Melo very often) but Melo can't seem to make it work.
SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:all season they've been pretty good about showing a united front. i think it's time they shut everyone else out, lock the locker room door, and go at it. dudes need to yell at each other and get it out. maybe they come out hurt, scarred, pissed, etc.I said the same thing in the game thread. They've got to sort it out an pull it together. I'd be happy if I heard they were screaming at each other and were breaking stuff. Some passion would be welcomed.
It would also be nice if the coach would ride these guys and maybe unify the team behind their hatred for him. Pringles should take coaching lessons from the NY Ranger's John Tortorella
i'm sure we're not the only fans that are wondering why this team isn't showing more passion. i wish d'antoni would break the media policy and say what he really feels. it'd be amazing for once to just see him be honest instead of protecting his players. all signs point to melo despising d'antoni and his offense and yet, when asked about melo in post-game, d'antoni says "he's fine."
it's like a family that goes through pain-staking efforts to appear perfect and hide all their problems. while, from the outside, we all know, the pain-staking effort should be directed towards FIXING THE FUCKING PROBLEMS!!!
amen brother
I never really considered this, but I think you're onto something here. we all have known for a while that the media policy is insane and something that has more of a place in communist Russia. but I never really considered that the media policy undermines the operation. in th eother thread, you're spot on, Phil Jackson wouldn't be as effective here because he couldn't call his players out in the media
thanks bro.
the media policy actual hurts in two ways:
1. the coach loses one avenue for motivation (i.e. public embarassment).
2. the media is forced to write poisonous speculative articles with no real voice behind them.
so basically, instead of letting the coach, whose agenda it is to win games, motivate by using the media, the MSG media policy actually allows beat writers, whose agenda it is start controversy and sell papers, control the information that is out there.
and this is why a lot of people can't see the knicks winning under dolan's reign.
eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:all season they've been pretty good about showing a united front. i think it's time they shut everyone else out, lock the locker room door, and go at it. dudes need to yell at each other and get it out. maybe they come out hurt, scarred, pissed, etc.I said the same thing in the game thread. They've got to sort it out an pull it together. I'd be happy if I heard they were screaming at each other and were breaking stuff. Some passion would be welcomed.
It would also be nice if the coach would ride these guys and maybe unify the team behind their hatred for him. Pringles should take coaching lessons from the NY Ranger's John Tortorella
i'm sure we're not the only fans that are wondering why this team isn't showing more passion. i wish d'antoni would break the media policy and say what he really feels. it'd be amazing for once to just see him be honest instead of protecting his players. all signs point to melo despising d'antoni and his offense and yet, when asked about melo in post-game, d'antoni says "he's fine."
it's like a family that goes through pain-staking efforts to appear perfect and hide all their problems. while, from the outside, we all know, the pain-staking effort should be directed towards FIXING THE FUCKING PROBLEMS!!!
amen brother
I never really considered this, but I think you're onto something here. we all have known for a while that the media policy is insane and something that has more of a place in communist Russia. but I never really considered that the media policy undermines the operation. in th eother thread, you're spot on, Phil Jackson wouldn't be as effective here because he couldn't call his players out in the media
thanks bro.
the media policy actual hurts in two ways:
1. the coach loses one avenue for motivation (i.e. public embarassment).
2. the media is forced to write poisonous speculative articles with no real voice behind them.
so basically, instead of letting the coach, whose agenda it is to win games, motivate by using the media, the MSG media policy actually allows beat writers, whose agenda it is start controversy and sell papers, control the information that is out there.
and this is why a lot of people can't see the knicks winning under dolan's reign.
holy shit this is brilliant... did you study corporate communication or public policy or something?
you're 100 percent on target
eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:all season they've been pretty good about showing a united front. i think it's time they shut everyone else out, lock the locker room door, and go at it. dudes need to yell at each other and get it out. maybe they come out hurt, scarred, pissed, etc.I said the same thing in the game thread. They've got to sort it out an pull it together. I'd be happy if I heard they were screaming at each other and were breaking stuff. Some passion would be welcomed.
It would also be nice if the coach would ride these guys and maybe unify the team behind their hatred for him. Pringles should take coaching lessons from the NY Ranger's John Tortorella
i'm sure we're not the only fans that are wondering why this team isn't showing more passion. i wish d'antoni would break the media policy and say what he really feels. it'd be amazing for once to just see him be honest instead of protecting his players. all signs point to melo despising d'antoni and his offense and yet, when asked about melo in post-game, d'antoni says "he's fine."
it's like a family that goes through pain-staking efforts to appear perfect and hide all their problems. while, from the outside, we all know, the pain-staking effort should be directed towards FIXING THE FUCKING PROBLEMS!!!
amen brother
I never really considered this, but I think you're onto something here. we all have known for a while that the media policy is insane and something that has more of a place in communist Russia. but I never really considered that the media policy undermines the operation. in th eother thread, you're spot on, Phil Jackson wouldn't be as effective here because he couldn't call his players out in the media
thanks bro.
the media policy actual hurts in two ways:
1. the coach loses one avenue for motivation (i.e. public embarassment).
2. the media is forced to write poisonous speculative articles with no real voice behind them.
so basically, instead of letting the coach, whose agenda it is to win games, motivate by using the media, the MSG media policy actually allows beat writers, whose agenda it is start controversy and sell papers, control the information that is out there.
and this is why a lot of people can't see the knicks winning under dolan's reign.
The Giants have the same policy. And it works - and its classy.
I know the NFL is not the NBA though
mrKnickShot wrote:eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:all season they've been pretty good about showing a united front. i think it's time they shut everyone else out, lock the locker room door, and go at it. dudes need to yell at each other and get it out. maybe they come out hurt, scarred, pissed, etc.I said the same thing in the game thread. They've got to sort it out an pull it together. I'd be happy if I heard they were screaming at each other and were breaking stuff. Some passion would be welcomed.
It would also be nice if the coach would ride these guys and maybe unify the team behind their hatred for him. Pringles should take coaching lessons from the NY Ranger's John Tortorella
i'm sure we're not the only fans that are wondering why this team isn't showing more passion. i wish d'antoni would break the media policy and say what he really feels. it'd be amazing for once to just see him be honest instead of protecting his players. all signs point to melo despising d'antoni and his offense and yet, when asked about melo in post-game, d'antoni says "he's fine."
it's like a family that goes through pain-staking efforts to appear perfect and hide all their problems. while, from the outside, we all know, the pain-staking effort should be directed towards FIXING THE FUCKING PROBLEMS!!!
amen brother
I never really considered this, but I think you're onto something here. we all have known for a while that the media policy is insane and something that has more of a place in communist Russia. but I never really considered that the media policy undermines the operation. in th eother thread, you're spot on, Phil Jackson wouldn't be as effective here because he couldn't call his players out in the media
thanks bro.
the media policy actual hurts in two ways:
1. the coach loses one avenue for motivation (i.e. public embarassment).
2. the media is forced to write poisonous speculative articles with no real voice behind them.
so basically, instead of letting the coach, whose agenda it is to win games, motivate by using the media, the MSG media policy actually allows beat writers, whose agenda it is start controversy and sell papers, control the information that is out there.
and this is why a lot of people can't see the knicks winning under dolan's reign.
The Giants have the same policy. And it works - and its classy.
I know the NFL is not the NBA though
to my knowledge, that's incorrect. Only the head coach is allowed to address the media. I am pretty sure they don't restrict wha the can or cannot say. Coughlin is a pretty classy guy so he goes about it that way, plus the organization takes the attitude of the late Mr. Mara
s3231 wrote:The problem is also that D'Antoni is a lame duck coach with no promise of an extension.He has no power to call out any of his players in the media, even if he wanted to. The franchise has made it clear that they would do everything possible to bring Melo here and I think D'Antoni is smart enough to realize that if he goes up against Melo, he is fired in 2 seconds.
From what I've seen, he seems to be doing everything possible to make it work with Melo (even throwing in iso sets for Melo very often) but Melo can't seem to make it work.
the problem with this is that D'Antoni has never been known (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) to call players out or to "hold them accountable." If you don't hold these papered millionaires accountable then bad things happen.
SupremeCommander wrote:thanks bro.the media policy actual hurts in two ways:
1. the coach loses one avenue for motivation (i.e. public embarassment).
2. the media is forced to write poisonous speculative articles with no real voice behind them.
so basically, instead of letting the coach, whose agenda it is to win games, motivate by using the media, the MSG media policy actually allows beat writers, whose agenda it is start controversy and sell papers, control the information that is out there.
and this is why a lot of people can't see the knicks winning under dolan's reign.
holy shit this is brilliant... did you study corporate communication or public policy or something?
you're 100 percent on target
i've done my fair share of studying various subjects, but never concentrated in public policy or corporate communications. though both those subjects, at various times, were probably part of a bigger subject or project that i've been involved in. right now, i'm a solo-practicing lawyer / dj business owner & emcee / band manager & guitarist / disgruntled knicks fan. put those things together and i guess you somehow get an occasional astute point. lmfao.
SupremeCommander wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:all season they've been pretty good about showing a united front. i think it's time they shut everyone else out, lock the locker room door, and go at it. dudes need to yell at each other and get it out. maybe they come out hurt, scarred, pissed, etc.I said the same thing in the game thread. They've got to sort it out an pull it together. I'd be happy if I heard they were screaming at each other and were breaking stuff. Some passion would be welcomed.
It would also be nice if the coach would ride these guys and maybe unify the team behind their hatred for him. Pringles should take coaching lessons from the NY Ranger's John Tortorella
i'm sure we're not the only fans that are wondering why this team isn't showing more passion. i wish d'antoni would break the media policy and say what he really feels. it'd be amazing for once to just see him be honest instead of protecting his players. all signs point to melo despising d'antoni and his offense and yet, when asked about melo in post-game, d'antoni says "he's fine."
it's like a family that goes through pain-staking efforts to appear perfect and hide all their problems. while, from the outside, we all know, the pain-staking effort should be directed towards FIXING THE FUCKING PROBLEMS!!!
amen brother
I never really considered this, but I think you're onto something here. we all have known for a while that the media policy is insane and something that has more of a place in communist Russia. but I never really considered that the media policy undermines the operation. in th eother thread, you're spot on, Phil Jackson wouldn't be as effective here because he couldn't call his players out in the media
thanks bro.
the media policy actual hurts in two ways:
1. the coach loses one avenue for motivation (i.e. public embarassment).
2. the media is forced to write poisonous speculative articles with no real voice behind them.
so basically, instead of letting the coach, whose agenda it is to win games, motivate by using the media, the MSG media policy actually allows beat writers, whose agenda it is start controversy and sell papers, control the information that is out there.
and this is why a lot of people can't see the knicks winning under dolan's reign.
The Giants have the same policy. And it works - and its classy.
I know the NFL is not the NBA though
to my knowledge, that's incorrect. Only the head coach is allowed to address the media. I am pretty sure they don't restrict wha the can or cannot say. Coughlin is a pretty classy guy so he goes about it that way, plus the organization takes the attitude of the late Mr. Mara
I thought they were restricted in regards to the head coach as well but maybe you are right.
Mara != Dolan? At least Class-Wise?
DurzoBlint wrote:s3231 wrote:The problem is also that D'Antoni is a lame duck coach with no promise of an extension.He has no power to call out any of his players in the media, even if he wanted to. The franchise has made it clear that they would do everything possible to bring Melo here and I think D'Antoni is smart enough to realize that if he goes up against Melo, he is fired in 2 seconds.
From what I've seen, he seems to be doing everything possible to make it work with Melo (even throwing in iso sets for Melo very often) but Melo can't seem to make it work.
the problem with this is that D'Antoni has never been known (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) to call players out or to "hold them accountable." If you don't hold these papered millionaires accountable then bad things happen.
what you meant to say was MDA never holds players accountable "through the media", right? You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.
eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:thanks bro.the media policy actual hurts in two ways:
1. the coach loses one avenue for motivation (i.e. public embarassment).
2. the media is forced to write poisonous speculative articles with no real voice behind them.
so basically, instead of letting the coach, whose agenda it is to win games, motivate by using the media, the MSG media policy actually allows beat writers, whose agenda it is start controversy and sell papers, control the information that is out there.
and this is why a lot of people can't see the knicks winning under dolan's reign.
holy shit this is brilliant... did you study corporate communication or public policy or something?
you're 100 percent on target
i've done my fair share of studying various subjects, but never concentrated in public policy or corporate communications. though both those subjects, at various times, were probably part of a bigger subject or project that i've been involved in. right now, i'm a solo-practicing lawyer / dj business owner & emcee / band manager & guitarist / disgruntled knicks fan. put those things together and i guess you somehow get an occasional astute point. lmfao.
hah rock on. I just assumed the music was the thing. friggin assumptions. I'm an econ/finance guy that is working in the wonderful world of conracts at the moment and wanted to progress into law. but it seems as though the market is flooded with un/underemployed attorneys. back to the ol drawing board for me
mrKnickShot wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:eViL wrote:all season they've been pretty good about showing a united front. i think it's time they shut everyone else out, lock the locker room door, and go at it. dudes need to yell at each other and get it out. maybe they come out hurt, scarred, pissed, etc.I said the same thing in the game thread. They've got to sort it out an pull it together. I'd be happy if I heard they were screaming at each other and were breaking stuff. Some passion would be welcomed.
It would also be nice if the coach would ride these guys and maybe unify the team behind their hatred for him. Pringles should take coaching lessons from the NY Ranger's John Tortorella
i'm sure we're not the only fans that are wondering why this team isn't showing more passion. i wish d'antoni would break the media policy and say what he really feels. it'd be amazing for once to just see him be honest instead of protecting his players. all signs point to melo despising d'antoni and his offense and yet, when asked about melo in post-game, d'antoni says "he's fine."
it's like a family that goes through pain-staking efforts to appear perfect and hide all their problems. while, from the outside, we all know, the pain-staking effort should be directed towards FIXING THE FUCKING PROBLEMS!!!
amen brother
I never really considered this, but I think you're onto something here. we all have known for a while that the media policy is insane and something that has more of a place in communist Russia. but I never really considered that the media policy undermines the operation. in th eother thread, you're spot on, Phil Jackson wouldn't be as effective here because he couldn't call his players out in the media
thanks bro.
the media policy actual hurts in two ways:
1. the coach loses one avenue for motivation (i.e. public embarassment).
2. the media is forced to write poisonous speculative articles with no real voice behind them.
so basically, instead of letting the coach, whose agenda it is to win games, motivate by using the media, the MSG media policy actually allows beat writers, whose agenda it is start controversy and sell papers, control the information that is out there.
and this is why a lot of people can't see the knicks winning under dolan's reign.
The Giants have the same policy. And it works - and its classy.
I know the NFL is not the NBA though
to my knowledge, that's incorrect. Only the head coach is allowed to address the media. I am pretty sure they don't restrict wha the can or cannot say. Coughlin is a pretty classy guy so he goes about it that way, plus the organization takes the attitude of the late Mr. Mara
I thought they were restricted in regards to the head coach as well but maybe you are right.
Mara != Dolan? At least Class-Wise?
Mara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dolan, in all shapes, sizes, and forms and *especially* with regards to class
SupremeCommander wrote:hah rock on. I just assumed the music was the thing. friggin assumptions. I'm an econ/finance guy that is working in the wonderful world of conracts at the moment and wanted to progress into law. but it seems as though the market is flooded with un/underemployed attorneys. back to the ol drawing board for me
law is a tough hustle right now. as is music. as is being a knicks fan. thank god for my dj business.
SupremeCommander wrote:Mara >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dolan, in all shapes, sizes, and forms and *especially* with regards to class
without question. Mara is widely credited for saving the NFL.
dolan is credited with destroying the Knicks. 