Knicks · MDA has lost the team.... (page 2)
Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....
Let me remind you again, because they had / have a great supporting cast which by the way continues to win games this year without THE QUITTER. Comprende.
Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....
that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
Or they just have a great coach that knows how to get the most out of his players.
MSG3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
Or they just have a great coach that knows how to get the most out of his players.
Uptown wrote:fishmike wrote:Uptown wrote:With all the pile-on Melo threads, just wanted to point out that it seems like other players in the locker room are also questioning the coach.
cancer players do that. Obviously Melo has ruined any chemistry. 8-1 without and 10-23 with?Hey TMac ran Doc Rivers out of town in Orlando. Overhyped overvalued "stars" have chased good coaches out of town before. Looks like this will be more of the same
121-167 overall for MDA since he's been here. Stop it with the small smaple sizes. MDA has numerous 9 game, 7 and 5 game losing streaks well before Melo even got here. Stop defending this guy. He's done a poor job overall. BTW, the Knicks ended last season 7-1 with Melo.
BINGO!
MSG3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
Or they just have a great coach that knows how to get the most out of his players.
As in Lin, Shump, Fields, Walker, Novak, Jeffries, Tyson winning 7 of 8?
franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
What have they done exactly? They got ousted in the first round last year and they are 5 games over .500 this year. BTW, Karl is a much better coach than MDA. He knows better than to have a prolific scorer hang out by the 3 point line as a decoy.
SteveSmith wrote:MSG3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
Or they just have a great coach that knows how to get the most out of his players.
As in Lin, Shump, Fields, Walker, Novak, Jeffries, Tyson winning 7 of 8?
Pretty sure they're talking about a real coach that preaches offense and defense, George Karl.
Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....
That is "fine" btw. This might be the ceiling for this team with a "Star" player.
Lets look at Mark Cuban Vs. Dolan. Cuban has "Won" in business. Dolan tries to "not screw it up". Cuban built his empire. Dolan enherited it.
Cube is not afraid to let chandler go, let Nash go because he thinks of the players value. CUbe was wrong about Nash, but it was a plausible arguement at the time. Teams make mistakes, and can recover. Cube has his ring. He is now trying to sescure Howard and Deron. He might not succeed, but he tried.
Dolan keeps trying to go with a methoed in my opinion based on fear.
He surrounds himself with "Yes Men" who get paid good money and realize the mistakes they make are on him.
Dolan is happiest when he aquires a name, does that press conference photo thing where he holds the ball and everyone is smiling. The fans pile in MSG and the place is crawling with celebs and the buzz is abound!
Then it breaks down and "Blame and Fault" dominates knick basketball.
Somewhere Donnie is shaking his head in disapppointment. IT sucks to be "right" and be out of the mix. The bank account is fatter but his trophy case is void of a champhionship team.
STAT is having even worse of a season than Melo. Everyone, including myself, overlooked what a putrid defender he was last year because offensively he was playing at an MVP level for most of the year. But somehow, his defense has regressed. He's no blocking shots and not rebounding. A lot of that can probably be attributed to leaning on Tyson too heavily to defend.
The point is that you need a coach to bring this all together. If you have a diva you have to hold him accountable. If you have players that are constantly doing the wrong thing on Offense or Defense you have to fix it. D'Antoni is not doing it. Period. He's not fixing recurring problems that have been destroying this team on the court regarldess of which roster you want to talk about. He can't handle perosnalities and that's part of the job.
There are a lot of people that can coach. There aren't a lot of talents like Melo. You have to find a coach that can coach to the strength of the roster, which shouldn't be that difficult no matter how difficult it can be to manage Melo.
Uptown wrote:franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
What have they done exactly? They got ousted in the first round last year and they are 5 games over .500 this year. BTW, Karl is a much better coach than MDA. He knows better than to have a prolific scorer hang out by the 3 point line as a decoy.
And yet The Quitter was unhappy and demanded a trade to NY. Also as per George Karl the coach, his team doesn't need an allstar to be just as good or better as last year team, watched that on NBA TV.
ChuckBuck wrote:SteveSmith wrote:MSG3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
Or they just have a great coach that knows how to get the most out of his players.
As in Lin, Shump, Fields, Walker, Novak, Jeffries, Tyson winning 7 of 8?
Pretty sure they're talking about a real coach that preaches offense and defense, George Karl.
As in 97.3 PPG scored vs 90.4 PPG allowed?
Dont act as if this hasnt happened! This thing is working. No more "this thing can work". No it is working. The requirement for it? Every player on the team has to go all out. And thats not only on Melo. Thats on STAT, too. Thats on Baron, Fields, JR and Shumpert, too. Heck, even Tyson is to blame here. Whats with all those techs Tyson? Your supposed to be The Captain! Get after your guys for not going all out, not after the refs or other players!
SteveSmith wrote:MSG3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
Or they just have a great coach that knows how to get the most out of his players.
As in Lin, Shump, Fields, Walker, Novak, Jeffries, Tyson winning 7 of 8?
I like that lineup. They play hard and do whatever the coach asks. You know why? Because none of them ever had a chance to succeed as focal parts of a team. They played at another level because of it. Over an 82 games season that lineup is almost as bad as the Duhon/DLee teams.
A big reason for the constant roster changes was because MDA wasn't getting the most out of what he had. If they got equal value for Melo at this point and it made sense chemistry wise then I'd be open to a move if Melo wants out and its past the point of no return. Just as those of you who can gloss over every poor decision MDA has made over the last 4 years should be open to getting a new coach who can do a better job of maximizing the talent after this season if this team can't make the playoffs or can't make a respectable showing if they get there.
D'Antoni has done absolutely nothing to make a case that he deserves an extension. The record doesn't reflect it and after 4 years of futility that's all that matters. Not the roster changes, not Melo, the record.
What happens if Melo gets traded by thursday? Do we reset the clock yet again because D'Antoni needs more time? What will be the excuse then if it doesn't work out? Who will you want to trade next? Right now its a pox on both their houses situation, no one's hands are clean and its silly to act like its just about Melo. We sucked before Melo and we will probably suck after Melo without a new coach.
MSG3 wrote:SteveSmith wrote:MSG3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
Or they just have a great coach that knows how to get the most out of his players.
As in Lin, Shump, Fields, Walker, Novak, Jeffries, Tyson winning 7 of 8?
I like that lineup. They play hard and do whatever the coach asks. You know why? Because none of them ever had a chance to succeed as focal parts of a team. They played at another level because of it. Over an 82 games season that lineup is almost as bad as the Duhon/DLee teams.
Precisely, playing hard over a small game sample is good but try doing that over a course of a season and than talent comes into play that's when losing sets in. DLee Duhon and all the others played hard they left it on the floor but at the end of the year it didn't amount to a hill of beans.
GustavBahler wrote:What happens if Melo gets traded by thursday?
Knicks go on an inspirational run and become a team again.
and while tbe media, players and fans are blaming D'Antoni for not confronting Melo -- where are the players in all of this? what happened to policing your own locker room? why doesn't someone step up and put Melo in his place? at least D'Antoni's excuse is that he's a lame duck. why hasn't Amare or Tyson put Melo in line?
GustavBahler wrote:I agree that Melo's behavior lately has been poor to say the least but that doesn't mean the D'Antoni is blameless in this either. All in all he's been a lousy tactician, a sub par motivator, and meager manager of talent.A big reason for the constant roster changes was because MDA wasn't getting the most out of what he had. If they got equal value for Melo at this point and it made sense chemistry wise then I'd be open to a move if Melo wants out and its past the point of no return. Just as those of you who can gloss over every poor decision MDA has made over the last 4 years should be open to getting a new coach who can do a better job of maximizing the talent after this season if this team can't make the playoffs or can't makes a respectable showing if they get there.
D'Antoni has done absolutely nothing to make a case that he deserves an extension. The record doesn't reflect it and after 4 years of futility that's all that matters. Not the roster changes, not Melo, the record.
What happens if Melo gets traded by thursday? Do we reset the clock yet again because D'Antoni needs more time? What will be the excuse then if it doesn't work out? Who will you want to trade next? Right now its a pox on both their houses situation, no one's hands are clean and its silly to act like its just about Melo. We sucked before Melo and we will probably suck after Melo without a new coach.
Agree. Just look at how much freaking talent we have on this roster. The coach is paid to bring it all together. Do we have less talent top to bottom than Chicago or Miami? Is this a hardeer roster to mold together than Miami last year? This is where the coach is supposed to earn his paycheck.
Vmart wrote:MSG3 wrote:SteveSmith wrote:MSG3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
Or they just have a great coach that knows how to get the most out of his players.
As in Lin, Shump, Fields, Walker, Novak, Jeffries, Tyson winning 7 of 8?
I like that lineup. They play hard and do whatever the coach asks. You know why? Because none of them ever had a chance to succeed as focal parts of a team. They played at another level because of it. Over an 82 games season that lineup is almost as bad as the Duhon/DLee teams.
Precisely, playing hard over a small game sample is good but try doing that over a course of a season and than talent comes into play that's when losing sets in. DLee Duhon and all the others played hard they left it on the floor but at the end of the year it didn't amount to a hill of beans.
Lin makes all the difference in my opinion. He is much further to a Nash then a Duhon. The real thing would be to have STAT and Melo to play like the game matters to them on both sides of the floor. And Melo in particular: Shut your trap and do what coach tells you! Better yet, do the right thing without the coach having to tell you!
at this stage, i feel very comfortable saying that anyone who supports Carmelo Anthony is a certified FUCKING IDIOT.
SteveSmith wrote:Vmart wrote:MSG3 wrote:SteveSmith wrote:MSG3 wrote:franco12 wrote:Uptown wrote:BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....that lotto organization seems to have done ok without Melo. Clearly there was more talent there than met the eye.
Or they just have a great coach that knows how to get the most out of his players.
As in Lin, Shump, Fields, Walker, Novak, Jeffries, Tyson winning 7 of 8?
I like that lineup. They play hard and do whatever the coach asks. You know why? Because none of them ever had a chance to succeed as focal parts of a team. They played at another level because of it. Over an 82 games season that lineup is almost as bad as the Duhon/DLee teams.
Precisely, playing hard over a small game sample is good but try doing that over a course of a season and than talent comes into play that's when losing sets in. DLee Duhon and all the others played hard they left it on the floor but at the end of the year it didn't amount to a hill of beans.
Lin makes all the difference in my opinion. He is much further to a Nash then a Duhon. The real thing would be to have STAT and Melo to play like the game matters to them on both sides of the floor. And Melo in particular: Shut your trap and do what coach tells you! Better yet, do the right thing without the coach having to tell you!
Like I said before Melo should Q-Rich it. Stand in the corner and Jack at will. Run the floor and let it fly from three point range. Even though posting up and creating mismatches is part of the game our coaching system doesn't call for it. Do what the coach wants and at the end win or lose it won't be on him but the coach.