Lin has been underestimated many times before. He will adapt to the new offense because he is smart. He can play any offense because he really can pass, drive to the basket and shoot. He is quick and plays decent D. The only place that Lin lacks is experience and the court savvy that comes with it. For that reason and that reason alone, I could see Davis getting more burn but that is only if Davis is healthy enough.
Lin will continue to surprise people even after they know he can play, thanks to all who still underestimate him.
Skills can be practiced. Smarts are given at birth. Lin has smarts.
GustavBahler wrote:If Lin turns the ball over 5-6 times a game then in all likelihood he will sit and have his minutes cut. I don't see Bibby supplanting Lin in the rotation but he will get some of his minutes. D'Antoni is one of the few coaches in this league who would allow a young player to turn the ball over that much without any repercussions. Despite his limitations offensively, Bibby doesn't turn the ball over and keeps the offense running. He played under Woodson for three years and knows his offense.
I don't see Bibby getting major minutes (and shouldn't) or moving Lin down the bench, but if this team wants to contend its going to have to cut down on the turnovers and Lin is the biggest culprit right now. If anything its incentive for Lin get the turnovers under control and that's not necessarily a bad thing right now.
Making a legit run in a strike shortened season is more important right now than Lin's development. Woodson is fighting for his job as well so its not realistic to expect him to give Lin that much rope, not with so few games left in the season.
With all due respect Bibby couldn't keep anything running if his life depended on it. Lin needs support from Woodson he soesn't need to be benched. The exact opposite will happen.
Rookie wrote:come to think of it, Lin played his best ball with the second unit, so what's the problem? If JR can start hitting the 3 with consistency, he should be starting also.Davis/Smith
Melo/Stat/Chandler
Lin/Shumpert/Fields
Novachek/Jeffries/Jorts
The "problem" is the second unit beats the starters 8 times out of 10.
Lin was destined to have some TO issues being as inexperienced as he is and how aggressive he is. Nash isn't exactly a low TO guy. It's really about Lin getting a little better with his judgment, there's no need to lessen his usage or his aggressiveness. He needs to learn thru experience. Nash was 30 when he got with MDA, Lin is almost a rookie he's has so little experience. Still he is a major part of what is right with the team and I really don't want to see him relegated to an afterthought. In MDA's system the PG is a major part of the strength of the team and we've seen Felton thrive as well as Lin. Lin only lacked experience. All that I see is that Lin needs to learn how to pace himself and avoid forcing things. He reminds me of a young QB that keeps trying to thread the needle when it's not necessary.
Welcome to MSG Woody!
Guess what folks.... Jeremy isnt going anywhere, and if Woodson cant make it work the next Knick coach will need to be able to work with the "stars" as well as Lin who because of who is and his marketing power. Lin remaining a starter or at least being a heavy rotation player and being labelled "the PG of the future" is forgone conclusion because no owner would cares about making money would let Lin slip by the wayside.
Dont worry about Lin. He's here to stay.
fishmike wrote:Welcome to MSG Woody!Guess what folks.... Jeremy isnt going anywhere, and if Woodson cant make it work the next Knick coach will need to be able to work with the "stars" as well as Lin who because of who is and his marketing power. Lin remaining a starter or at least being a heavy rotation player and being labelled "the PG of the future" is forgone conclusion because no owner would cares about making money would let Lin slip by the wayside.
Dont worry about Lin. He's here to stay.
Yea they had to make some kind of public statement to that effect. MSG just inked another major deal with another Taiwanese company. They've seen a boost all the way around from Lin. It's really the best safeguard Lin has. If not for that I think they would start to phase him out.
loweyecue wrote:Nalod wrote:One might say we go with Baron for the last run and see what that does.He is still limited in his minutes and in any instant Baron gets hurt and then we go back to Lin.
To play Bibby over Lin would be plain ignorant.
To not further develop Lin is crazy unless we are going to trade him.
I hope Lin never gets traded to make way for half court grind offense. But it's very possible this will happen. It's amazing to see how people have already started dissing Lin. People are now happy to see BD start ahead of Lin? Really? What is Lin ? Use and throw 7 game win streak? he should start every game for the rest of the season. He has earned that much.
those are the Melo supporters who weren't happy when the ball was taken away from him.
fishmike wrote:Welcome to MSG Woody!Guess what folks.... Jeremy isnt going anywhere, and if Woodson cant make it work the next Knick coach will need to be able to work with the "stars" as well as Lin who because of who is and his marketing power. Lin remaining a starter or at least being a heavy rotation player and being labelled "the PG of the future" is forgone conclusion because no owner would cares about making money would let Lin slip by the wayside.
Dont worry about Lin. He's here to stay.
yeah but look who our owner is?
I think Lin is going to start unless the wheels really fall off of his game without D'Antoni. But I also think he will continue to start in big part to try and keep Baron healthy. I think Baron is definitely going to close out close games with Melo and STAT.
You can see Baron starting to gain more and more confidence each game played. I think 25-30 minutes for Lin and the rest for Baron is pretty balanced.
nixluva wrote:fishmike wrote:Welcome to MSG Woody!Guess what folks.... Jeremy isnt going anywhere, and if Woodson cant make it work the next Knick coach will need to be able to work with the "stars" as well as Lin who because of who is and his marketing power. Lin remaining a starter or at least being a heavy rotation player and being labelled "the PG of the future" is forgone conclusion because no owner would cares about making money would let Lin slip by the wayside.
Dont worry about Lin. He's here to stay.
Yea they had to make some kind of public statement to that effect. MSG just inked another major deal with another Taiwanese company. They've seen a boost all the way around from Lin. It's really the best safeguard Lin has. If not for that I think they would start to phase him out.
yeah, i think this is true. i'm sure baron wants to start badly at this point.
but i think lin should get a chance to try to work with the stars in a system where the best player is actually trying. could be interesting.
loweyecue wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If Lin turns the ball over 5-6 times a game then in all likelihood he will sit and have his minutes cut. I don't see Bibby supplanting Lin in the rotation but he will get some of his minutes. D'Antoni is one of the few coaches in this league who would allow a young player to turn the ball over that much without any repercussions. Despite his limitations offensively, Bibby doesn't turn the ball over and keeps the offense running. He played under Woodson for three years and knows his offense.
I don't see Bibby getting major minutes (and shouldn't) or moving Lin down the bench, but if this team wants to contend its going to have to cut down on the turnovers and Lin is the biggest culprit right now. If anything its incentive for Lin get the turnovers under control and that's not necessarily a bad thing right now.
Making a legit run in a strike shortened season is more important right now than Lin's development. Woodson is fighting for his job as well so its not realistic to expect him to give Lin that much rope, not with so few games left in the season.
With all due respect Bibby couldn't keep anything running if his life depended on it. Lin needs support from Woodson he soesn't need to be benched. The exact opposite will happen.
Bibby might be everyone's favorite punching bag here, but he doesn't turn the ball over very much, moves the ball well enough for his limited minutes, and rarely forces the issue. No one, especially me, is suggesting he's the answer, or that he should get big minutes. But giving Lin a green light to play without any concern for turnovers isn't going to do Lin any good short or long term.
If anything its going to hinder his development. It was all well and good when Lin was an unknown commodity and racking up the W's, but now that teams have his game scoped out, its foolish to make the kid think that its ok to turn the ball over that much and not have to pay the price.
Its like telling Shumpert to jack up as many bad shots as he likes, all it does is reinforce the notion that not playing smart doesn't have any consequences. If anything its tough love and its whats done pretty much to every other young player starting in this league.
Lin isn't being singled out, he's being treated like any other professional. If he was still putting up Linsanity type numbers I'd see your point, but there aren't many games left and its no time to let Lin play without regard for turnovers and the cost to the team and the hunt for the 8 spot. All I'm suggesting is that 5-6 turnovers games is going to eat into Lin's minutes, not that its going to get him sent to the 11 or twelve spot.
I'm a big fan of Lin's but he still has some big flaws in his game and the best way to get him to learn is to bench him when he isn't playing smart and have him sit on the bench and learn. This is not a novel approach and it works most of the time.
Damn...that is one rambling diatribe!
GustavBahler wrote:loweyecue wrote:GustavBahler wrote:If Lin turns the ball over 5-6 times a game then in all likelihood he will sit and have his minutes cut. I don't see Bibby supplanting Lin in the rotation but he will get some of his minutes. D'Antoni is one of the few coaches in this league who would allow a young player to turn the ball over that much without any repercussions. Despite his limitations offensively, Bibby doesn't turn the ball over and keeps the offense running. He played under Woodson for three years and knows his offense.
I don't see Bibby getting major minutes (and shouldn't) or moving Lin down the bench, but if this team wants to contend its going to have to cut down on the turnovers and Lin is the biggest culprit right now. If anything its incentive for Lin get the turnovers under control and that's not necessarily a bad thing right now.
Making a legit run in a strike shortened season is more important right now than Lin's development. Woodson is fighting for his job as well so its not realistic to expect him to give Lin that much rope, not with so few games left in the season.
With all due respect Bibby couldn't keep anything running if his life depended on it. Lin needs support from Woodson he soesn't need to be benched. The exact opposite will happen.
Bibby might be everyone's favorite punching bag here, but he doesn't turn the ball over very much, moves the ball well enough for his limited minutes, and rarely forces the issue. No one, especially me, is suggesting he's the answer, or that he should get big minutes. But giving Lin a green light to play without any concern for turnovers isn't going to do Lin any good short or long term.
If anything its going to hinder his development. It was all well and good when Lin was an unknown commodity and racking up the W's, but now that teams have his game scoped out, its foolish to make the kid think that its ok to turn the ball over that much and not have to pay the price.
Its like telling Shumpert to jack up as many bad shots as he likes, all it does is reinforce the notion that not playing smart doesn't have any consequences. If anything its tough love and its whats done pretty much to every other young player starting in this league.
Lin isn't being singled out, he's being treated like any other professional. If he was still putting up Linsanity type numbers I'd see your point, but there aren't many games left and its no time to let Lin play without regard for turnovers and the cost to the team and the hunt for the 8 spot. All I'm suggesting is that 5-6 turnovers games is going to eat into Lin's minutes, not that its going to get him sent to the 11 or twelve spot.
I'm a big fan of Lin's but he still has some big flaws in his game and the best way to get him to learn is to bench him when he isn't playing smart and have him sit on the bench and learn. This is not a novel approach and it works most of the time.
I don't think he is being treated like any other professional is a good argument especially for this coaching situation. When the first statement he made is I am gonna keep going to Melo and STAT who are not producing anywhere remotely close to what they are paid to do and are NOT wing held accountable. To then turnaround and justify that Lin should sit because he isn't putting up 27/10 is ridiculous.
Melo and Amare also have big flaws like not playing defense, not understanding what team ball means (Melo), not being able to grab more rebounds (Amare). But everyone is suddenly focused on TOs by Lin.
And I never said he should stop coaching Lin on his TOs either.
How long until people start clamoring to fire Woody?
When will people realize this is not all coaching? I guess when it's too late, as usual.
I wouldn't call Jeremy Lin a run & gun pg. Yes he is young but he also turns the ball over a lot. he is not Chris Paul dwill in the open court. no reason why he can suceed in a slightly more half court set. and it maybe even cut down on his turnovers
wow. some of the new guys who joined during linsanity are still going linsane. smfh.
crzymdups wrote:wow. some of the new guys who joined during linsanity are still going linsane. smfh.
what are you referring to?
gunsnewing wrote:I wouldn't call Jeremy Lin a run & gun pg. Yes he is young but he also turns the ball over a lot. he is not Chris Paul dwill in the open court. no reason why he can succeed in a slight more half court set. and it maybe even cut down on his turnovers
I am a bit worried that in a half court set with ISO play that he will actually pick up his dribble too often and get trapped. He has already shown a propensity to do that.
JamesKPolk wrote:How long until people start clamoring to fire Woody?When will people realize this is not all coaching? I guess when it's too late, as usual.
Why wait? I'm ready now. I think I will post my "Fire Woody" thread now so I can say "I told you so" later.
gunsnewing wrote:I wouldn't call Jeremy Lin a run & gun pg. Yes he is young but he also turns the ball over a lot. he is not Chris Paul dwill in the open court. no reason why he can succeed in a slight more half court set. and it maybe even cut down on his turnovers
Lin wasn't just being allowed to throw the ball all over the place. He is a kid that has a lot of growth still ahead of him. It was more important to the team for Lin to be aggressive and play with confidence than to be worried about his high TO's. I think it would've gone a lot smoother if Melo had actually bought in rather than give a halfa***d effort of trying to play team ball. Lins TO's weren't the reason we lost 6 in a row!!! Lin actually had more TO's during Feb. when we were winning. It was other issues having to do with lower efficiency on offense and far worse defense during the return of STAT and Melo.
I think everything bogged down and it also took away from the effort on D. That along with more STAT and no Jared due to injury. Now this team has a chance to win again with the return of Jared and ONLY if STAT and Melo actually keep up their level of play on D and the boards. That's were we lost games.
