Knicks · Filip Bondy Talks STAT, Melo, MDA and Woody (page 2)
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Anji wrote:The knicks have been switching everything for years.From Randolph to Lee to Stat
From Crawford to duhon to feltonIt's the dumbest defensive scheme ive ever seen in my life. Didn't matter if it was on ball or on screens or just simple off ball motion. We've been watching that Bullshit for 3years, I didn't just imagine it Nix.
I like the switch, but the key is to keep switching. You can't switch once and then fall asleep, it has to be fluid!
I actually agree with Marb!!!!!!!! Ouch - that hurt to type. 
Switching works if you combine it with a trap and follow up switches. Often I would see Shump or one of our guards forced to switch early in the shot clock and I would be yelling at my TV "Switch again ... Switch Again" and there were so many chances to switch for a big but they would just leave it!
Pissed the sh1t out of me!
mrKnickShot wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Anji wrote:The knicks have been switching everything for years.From Randolph to Lee to Stat
From Crawford to duhon to feltonIt's the dumbest defensive scheme ive ever seen in my life. Didn't matter if it was on ball or on screens or just simple off ball motion. We've been watching that Bullshit for 3years, I didn't just imagine it Nix.
I like the switch, but the key is to keep switching. You can't switch once and then fall asleep, it has to be fluid!
I actually agree with Marb!!!!!!!! Ouch - that hurt to type.
Switching works if you combine it with a trap and follow up switches. Often I would see Shump or one of our guards forced to switch early in the shot clock and I would be yelling at my TV "Switch again ... Switch Again" and there were so many chances to switch for a big but they would just leave it!
Pissed the sh1t out of me!
I am hurt too.
Switch is like quick sand, if you will step in it you have to be ready to live in it.
In rec league, I always force the switch unless someone sets a weak pick on me. But a good pick is set on me: switch; right away you're covered, it's a seamless transition. Fighting around a strong pick you can lose a shoe.
In rec league, as soon as there is some slack, I'll switch back if it's safe to do.
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mrKnickShot wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Anji wrote:The knicks have been switching everything for years.From Randolph to Lee to Stat
From Crawford to duhon to feltonIt's the dumbest defensive scheme ive ever seen in my life. Didn't matter if it was on ball or on screens or just simple off ball motion. We've been watching that Bullshit for 3years, I didn't just imagine it Nix.
I like the switch, but the key is to keep switching. You can't switch once and then fall asleep, it has to be fluid!
I actually agree with Marb!!!!!!!! Ouch - that hurt to type.
Switching works if you combine it with a trap and follow up switches. Often I would see Shump or one of our guards forced to switch early in the shot clock and I would be yelling at my TV "Switch again ... Switch Again" and there were so many chances to switch for a big but they would just leave it!
Pissed the sh1t out of me!
Switching isn't wrong, switch every single play is the problem.
The other team is playing too, you can't always stay at home, but the hard doubles and trapping we have gotten back to, the showing and getting back to your man is the way the way to. I think the Voice is much clearer these days with one head coaching and people see the constancy out of the whole team.
Like you noticed, instead of leaving bad mismatches out their we generally fight to stay on man or help and back. If you don't you get COACH talking to you like he did with Melo on Granger 1st and Fields in the 3rd.
Anji wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Anji wrote:The knicks have been switching everything for years.From Randolph to Lee to Stat
From Crawford to duhon to feltonIt's the dumbest defensive scheme ive ever seen in my life. Didn't matter if it was on ball or on screens or just simple off ball motion. We've been watching that Bullshit for 3years, I didn't just imagine it Nix.
I like the switch, but the key is to keep switching. You can't switch once and then fall asleep, it has to be fluid!
I actually agree with Marb!!!!!!!! Ouch - that hurt to type.
Switching works if you combine it with a trap and follow up switches. Often I would see Shump or one of our guards forced to switch early in the shot clock and I would be yelling at my TV "Switch again ... Switch Again" and there were so many chances to switch for a big but they would just leave it!
Pissed the sh1t out of me!
Switching isn't wrong, switch every single play is the problem.The other team is playing too, you can't always stay at home, but the hard doubles and trapping we have gotten back to, the showing and getting back to your man is the way the way to. I think the Voice is much clearer these days with one head coaching and people see the constancy out of the whole team.
Like you noticed, instead of leaving bad mismatches out their we generally fight to stay on man or help and back. If you don't you get COACH talking to you like he did with Melo on Granger 1st and Fields in the 3rd.
During the MDA/Lin win streak the team had the right balance of Swithing and helping etc. It's not the case that the team is only just now getting it right, but as we know things changed with Melo's return. Everything is easier now without MDA and Melo having a war of passive aggressiveness towards each other. Why do you think the team defense was so great when Melo was out. It just magically improved!!! now Woody is in a great spot cuz he is the new guy and everyone is happy that there is no family feud now. Woodson has stepped into a situation where everything was setup great if he had the cooperation of STAT and Melo, which he has. Everyone is united and that peace has allowed him to just coach, which MDA really never had the luxury of doing. It's hard to keep your eye on the road when you've got to keep addressing a player breaking the plays or a Star PF not doing what he's told in basic Team Defense.
So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.
I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???
Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.
Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.
I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???
Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.
You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.
I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???
This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.
nixluva wrote:Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.
I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???
Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.
You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.
I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???
This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.
One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.
DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?
IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.
mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.
I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???
Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.
You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.
I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???
This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.
One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.
DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?
IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.
MDA didn't have any answers for this situation, so clearly he failed to get it done, but one thing I do know. When Melo wasn't there the team came together and was having a blast! They were defending and winning and playing hard for each other. You never once heard MDA blame Melo for not fully buying in or playing hard on both ends. He tried to make changes in an effort to get Melo going. When Melo was stinking up the joint did MDA throw him under the bus????
Now the passive aggressive fight that i've mentioned several times in my posts wasn't good on either side. It wasn't good for the team for either MDA or Melo to take a hard stance on things, but guess what, MDA was the coach and he's the one doing the leading. He sets the program and it's the players job to execute, not for the player to break plays and sulk or not really give max effort. In the end it's the coach that the players are supposed to be listening too, like it or not. So what exactly was MDA guilty of??? Was it trying to get Melo to play team BB??? Was he really trying to hurt Melo? Almost every player that has talent has excelled playing for MDA, why would he not want Melo to succeed? The only time MDA has problems with players is when they don't play team ball and give a solid effort. Most coaches would be the same way.
nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.
I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???
Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.
You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.
I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???
This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.
One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.
DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?
IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.
MDA didn't have any answers for this situation, so clearly he failed to get it done, but one thing I do know. When Melo wasn't there the team came together and was having a blast! They were defending and winning and playing hard for each other. You never once heard MDA blame Melo for not fully buying in or playing hard on both ends. He tried to make changes in an effort to get Melo going. When Melo was stinking up the joint did MDA throw him under the bus????
Now the passive aggressive fight that i've mentioned several times in my posts wasn't good on either side. It wasn't good for the team for either MDA or Melo to take a hard stance on things, but guess what, MDA was the coach and he's the one doing the leading. He sets the program and it's the players job to execute, not for the player to break plays and sulk or not really give max effort. In the end it's the coach that the players are supposed to be listening too, like it or not. So what exactly was MDA guilty of??? Was it trying to get Melo to play team BB??? Was he really trying to hurt Melo? Almost every player that has talent has excelled playing for MDA, why would he not want Melo to succeed? The only time MDA has problems with players is when they don't play team ball and give a solid effort. Most coaches would be the same way.
Can I take that as a NO?
He does not share blame in this fiasco?
Very wishy-washy answer (as usual). The anti-mda'ers can at least man up and say this was shared blame. I guess you would rather hang yourself for the cause than to put "real" blame on MDA. That partisanship, I believe, causes you to lose a lot of credibility with other posters.
You have many posters such as, Misterearl, Nalod, Crzydumpts and the Mods who have the ability to be opened minded. You can't - I respect your opinion and sticktuitiveness but disrespect your logical reasoning / ability to view things with an un-biased eye.
mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.
I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???
Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.
You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.
I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???
This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.
One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.
DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?
IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.
MDA didn't have any answers for this situation, so clearly he failed to get it done, but one thing I do know. When Melo wasn't there the team came together and was having a blast! They were defending and winning and playing hard for each other. You never once heard MDA blame Melo for not fully buying in or playing hard on both ends. He tried to make changes in an effort to get Melo going. When Melo was stinking up the joint did MDA throw him under the bus????
Now the passive aggressive fight that i've mentioned several times in my posts wasn't good on either side. It wasn't good for the team for either MDA or Melo to take a hard stance on things, but guess what, MDA was the coach and he's the one doing the leading. He sets the program and it's the players job to execute, not for the player to break plays and sulk or not really give max effort. In the end it's the coach that the players are supposed to be listening too, like it or not. So what exactly was MDA guilty of??? Was it trying to get Melo to play team BB??? Was he really trying to hurt Melo? Almost every player that has talent has excelled playing for MDA, why would he not want Melo to succeed? The only time MDA has problems with players is when they don't play team ball and give a solid effort. Most coaches would be the same way.
Can I take that as a NO?
He does not share blame in this fiasco?
Very wishy-washy answer (as usual). The anti-mda'ers can at least man up and say this was shared blame. I guess you would rather hang yourself for the cause that to put "real" blame on MDA. That partisanship, I believe, causes you to lose a lot of credibility with other posters.
You have many posters such as, Misterearl, Nalod, Crzydumpts and the Mods who have the ability to be opened minded. You can't - I respect your opinion and sticktuitiveness but disrespect your logical reasoning / ability to view things with an un-biased eye.
You seem bent on reading only what you want to read. I wrote that MDA "Clearly failed to get it done". I blamed both for the Passive aggressive fight and how that hurt the team. The only qualifying statement I made is that a team is not a democracy!!! You apparently haven't really grasped that aspect of my argument. Just like the military, you take orders and you execute them. You don't pick and choose what you want to listen to or not. Why do you think they came up with the term "buying in"? Melo didn't do that and it hurt the team. He should've been concentrating on how he could help the team even if he wasn't scoring as he was in the past. Dig in harder on D. Set screens. Pass the ball. Be a leader!!! Now all of a sudden he's making an effort after he got his way.
nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.
I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???
Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.
You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.
I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???
This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.
One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.
DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?
IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.
MDA didn't have any answers for this situation, so clearly he failed to get it done, but one thing I do know. When Melo wasn't there the team came together and was having a blast! They were defending and winning and playing hard for each other. You never once heard MDA blame Melo for not fully buying in or playing hard on both ends. He tried to make changes in an effort to get Melo going. When Melo was stinking up the joint did MDA throw him under the bus????
Now the passive aggressive fight that i've mentioned several times in my posts wasn't good on either side. It wasn't good for the team for either MDA or Melo to take a hard stance on things, but guess what, MDA was the coach and he's the one doing the leading. He sets the program and it's the players job to execute, not for the player to break plays and sulk or not really give max effort. In the end it's the coach that the players are supposed to be listening too, like it or not. So what exactly was MDA guilty of??? Was it trying to get Melo to play team BB??? Was he really trying to hurt Melo? Almost every player that has talent has excelled playing for MDA, why would he not want Melo to succeed? The only time MDA has problems with players is when they don't play team ball and give a solid effort. Most coaches would be the same way.
Can I take that as a NO?
He does not share blame in this fiasco?
Very wishy-washy answer (as usual). The anti-mda'ers can at least man up and say this was shared blame. I guess you would rather hang yourself for the cause that to put "real" blame on MDA. That partisanship, I believe, causes you to lose a lot of credibility with other posters.
You have many posters such as, Misterearl, Nalod, Crzydumpts and the Mods who have the ability to be opened minded. You can't - I respect your opinion and sticktuitiveness but disrespect your logical reasoning / ability to view things with an un-biased eye.
You seem bent on reading only what you want to read. I wrote that MDA "Clearly failed to get it done". I blamed both for the Passive aggressive fight and how that hurt the team. The only qualifying statement I made is that a team is not a democracy!!! You apparently haven't really grasped that aspect of my argument. Just like the military, you take orders and you execute them. You don't pick and choose what you want to listen to or not. Why do you think they came up with the term "buying in"? Melo didn't do that and it hurt the team. He should've been concentrating on how he could help the team even if he wasn't scoring as he was in the past. Dig in harder on D. Set screens. Pass the ball. Be a leader!!! Now all of a sudden he's making an effort after he got his way.
I saw what you wrote (MDA) "Clearly failed to get it done" but then you contradicted yourself with "So what exactly was MDA guilty of?" - Did you realize this? So which one is it? I will take the former being that you re-posted it.
So, if MDA "Clearly failed to get it done", should he have been fired or asked to resign being that he clearly failed to get it done? Melo was not gonna get traded - thats just the way things are. The star always (almost always) has more job security. Kidd, Kobe, DWil, Dirk, Magic ... So, that being said, I imagine based on your statement (MDA) "Clearly failed to get it done", that we needed to move forward?
mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.
I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???
Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.
You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.
I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???
This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.
One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.
DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?
IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.
MDA didn't have any answers for this situation, so clearly he failed to get it done, but one thing I do know. When Melo wasn't there the team came together and was having a blast! They were defending and winning and playing hard for each other. You never once heard MDA blame Melo for not fully buying in or playing hard on both ends. He tried to make changes in an effort to get Melo going. When Melo was stinking up the joint did MDA throw him under the bus????
Now the passive aggressive fight that i've mentioned several times in my posts wasn't good on either side. It wasn't good for the team for either MDA or Melo to take a hard stance on things, but guess what, MDA was the coach and he's the one doing the leading. He sets the program and it's the players job to execute, not for the player to break plays and sulk or not really give max effort. In the end it's the coach that the players are supposed to be listening too, like it or not. So what exactly was MDA guilty of??? Was it trying to get Melo to play team BB??? Was he really trying to hurt Melo? Almost every player that has talent has excelled playing for MDA, why would he not want Melo to succeed? The only time MDA has problems with players is when they don't play team ball and give a solid effort. Most coaches would be the same way.
Can I take that as a NO?
He does not share blame in this fiasco?
Very wishy-washy answer (as usual). The anti-mda'ers can at least man up and say this was shared blame. I guess you would rather hang yourself for the cause that to put "real" blame on MDA. That partisanship, I believe, causes you to lose a lot of credibility with other posters.
You have many posters such as, Misterearl, Nalod, Crzydumpts and the Mods who have the ability to be opened minded. You can't - I respect your opinion and sticktuitiveness but disrespect your logical reasoning / ability to view things with an un-biased eye.
You seem bent on reading only what you want to read. I wrote that MDA "Clearly failed to get it done". I blamed both for the Passive aggressive fight and how that hurt the team. The only qualifying statement I made is that a team is not a democracy!!! You apparently haven't really grasped that aspect of my argument. Just like the military, you take orders and you execute them. You don't pick and choose what you want to listen to or not. Why do you think they came up with the term "buying in"? Melo didn't do that and it hurt the team. He should've been concentrating on how he could help the team even if he wasn't scoring as he was in the past. Dig in harder on D. Set screens. Pass the ball. Be a leader!!! Now all of a sudden he's making an effort after he got his way.
I saw what you wrote "Clearly failed to get it done" but then you contradicted yourself with "So what exactly was MDA guilty of?" - Did you realize this? So which one is it? I will take the former being that you re-posted it.
So, if MDA "Clearly failed to get it done", should he have been fired or asked to resign being that he clearly failed to get it done? Melo was not gonna get traded - thats just the way things are. The star always (almost always) has more job security. Kidd, Kobe, DWil, Dirk, Magic ... So, that being said, I imagine based on your statement (MDA) "Clearly failed to get it done", that we needed to move forward?
What a fun thread!
Yeah, Nix points out that things were great without Melo, and then sucked when Melo returned.
True enough. But, MDA's job was to successfully coach a Knicks team that included Melo. And for whatever reason, and whoever was to blame, he could not do that effectively.
Erniecat wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:Anji wrote:You are so dense. I already told you, MDA quit and nobody cares about your pie charts. If the team loses you won't have to say a word, every media outlet will let you know that it was all Melo's fault. Like wise if the team wins the question falls on MDA and why he couldn't make it work. He has zero say though, because he isn't here.So keep the pie charts and the press clips ready mister defender, your going to be reading alot of "unbalanced attacks" you don't like IMO.
I also find it funny that you talk about unbalanced attacks when you basically credit Woodson for nothing, it's everything MDA was doing and you claim a fight was breaking the team apart........... hmmmmmm nothing changed, we are playing great now??? CAN ANYBODY FIND ME A POST WERE NIXLUVA IN ANYWAY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT A FIGHT IS BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. ANYBODY PLEASE FIND A POST WERE IT NIX THOUGHT EVEN IN THE SLIGHTEST COULD BE POSSIBLE THAT MDA QUIT ON THIS TEAM BECAUSE OF PURE PRINCIPAL. THAT HE IS OUT OF A JOB BECAUSE HE WAS TOO STUBBORN TO THROW STAT AND MELO A COUPLE OF PLAYS???
Just one. Maybe a little of nothing out of MDA and he would have a job still.
You do realize that STAT has played most of his career under MDA and some of his best seasons were playing for MDA? STAT started last year playing hard for this coach and he was clearly on the coaches side repeatedly saying that everyone had to buy in to what the coach was trying to do.
I give Woody plenty of credit for what he's done so far, but really with just 3 games and one full practice how much credit do we give the guy for that? Is that some major accomplishment??? He's still got a lot of work to do. It's not like he's had a training camp where he fully installed a completely new offensive system. More importantly he's been leading the way on D since he got here. He's also been giving his input in offensive matters too as the top assistant. Woody was as much a part of the losing and winning the team did this year as any member of the team. If they won a title with MDA still here does Woody not get a ring???
This isn't about Woody and never was. I've been making the consistent argument that this was about STAT and Melo and to a greater degree Melo and their relationship with MDA or any coach for that matter. What's to stop Melo from eventually turning on Woody if things don't work out as expected? Woody doesn't have a long term contract either. If Melo suddenly falls back on his lazy ways and Woody gets on him, who's to say that they don't have some issues? It's been only 3 games and good times so far.
One TIME NIXLUVA, ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU HAVE BEEN FOREVER AVOIDING.
DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?
IS MDA BLAMELESS? because it sure seems that you think so.
MDA didn't have any answers for this situation, so clearly he failed to get it done, but one thing I do know. When Melo wasn't there the team came together and was having a blast! They were defending and winning and playing hard for each other. You never once heard MDA blame Melo for not fully buying in or playing hard on both ends. He tried to make changes in an effort to get Melo going. When Melo was stinking up the joint did MDA throw him under the bus????
Now the passive aggressive fight that i've mentioned several times in my posts wasn't good on either side. It wasn't good for the team for either MDA or Melo to take a hard stance on things, but guess what, MDA was the coach and he's the one doing the leading. He sets the program and it's the players job to execute, not for the player to break plays and sulk or not really give max effort. In the end it's the coach that the players are supposed to be listening too, like it or not. So what exactly was MDA guilty of??? Was it trying to get Melo to play team BB??? Was he really trying to hurt Melo? Almost every player that has talent has excelled playing for MDA, why would he not want Melo to succeed? The only time MDA has problems with players is when they don't play team ball and give a solid effort. Most coaches would be the same way.
Can I take that as a NO?
He does not share blame in this fiasco?
Very wishy-washy answer (as usual). The anti-mda'ers can at least man up and say this was shared blame. I guess you would rather hang yourself for the cause that to put "real" blame on MDA. That partisanship, I believe, causes you to lose a lot of credibility with other posters.
You have many posters such as, Misterearl, Nalod, Crzydumpts and the Mods who have the ability to be opened minded. You can't - I respect your opinion and sticktuitiveness but disrespect your logical reasoning / ability to view things with an un-biased eye.
You seem bent on reading only what you want to read. I wrote that MDA "Clearly failed to get it done". I blamed both for the Passive aggressive fight and how that hurt the team. The only qualifying statement I made is that a team is not a democracy!!! You apparently haven't really grasped that aspect of my argument. Just like the military, you take orders and you execute them. You don't pick and choose what you want to listen to or not. Why do you think they came up with the term "buying in"? Melo didn't do that and it hurt the team. He should've been concentrating on how he could help the team even if he wasn't scoring as he was in the past. Dig in harder on D. Set screens. Pass the ball. Be a leader!!! Now all of a sudden he's making an effort after he got his way.
I saw what you wrote "Clearly failed to get it done" but then you contradicted yourself with "So what exactly was MDA guilty of?" - Did you realize this? So which one is it? I will take the former being that you re-posted it.
So, if MDA "Clearly failed to get it done", should he have been fired or asked to resign being that he clearly failed to get it done? Melo was not gonna get traded - thats just the way things are. The star always (almost always) has more job security. Kidd, Kobe, DWil, Dirk, Magic ... So, that being said, I imagine based on your statement (MDA) "Clearly failed to get it done", that we needed to move forward?
MDA's job was to successfully coach a Knicks team that included Melo. And for whatever reason, and whoever was to blame, he could not do that effectively.
Very well put.
And, the problems were not just Melo. It was Stat, Fields, Shumpert and even Lin to a small extent when teams started to take him out of his game a bit. MDA had a hard time adjusting. Of course, Melo did not help and was part of the problem, but MDA shares blame in that. It was MDA failing to adjust to a system that included Melo and Melo failing to adjust to MDA's system even though he was an ill fit. It was Stat playing horrible all season and rebounding like a girl and at the same time it was MDA not holding Stat or Melo accountable.
The Linsanity 10 games were magic but there are many contributors to the end of it, including MELO, the schedule and teams figuring Lin out a bit. Also Linsanity had JJ while post Linsanity did not.
Woodson seems to want to hold everyone accountable, Stat, Melo and even Precious Lin, who by the way, is a very good player and he will continue to shine because he is a very good player. Not because he was in MDA system and as people stated, "he is dead without MDA and his system".
TripleThreat wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:DOES MDA DESERVE FAULT (ALONG WITH MELO) FOR THEIR RIFT AND FOR THE LOSING????? OR WAS IT ALL MELO (AND STAT, SINCE YOU SOMETIMES THROW HIM IN)?IS MDA BLAMELESS?
Two wrongs don't make a right. They just don't. I suppose some people here or out in the world feel that they do, and all I can say is I feel sorry for those people.Personally I don't think MDA was the right answer as head coach for the Knicks and this Knicks team, HOWEVER, regardless of who is the coach or not, Melo is the undisputed player looked to as the team leader and Alpha Dog, he has specific and time honored held responsibilities for that position. Mostly what I see are Melo apologists saying, "Well Melo did this, but do you realize this player or this coach did or said that?"
What are people, in the 7th grade still?
I don't think anyone here is saying MDA should walk scot free from all the problems the Knicks had, however, there seem to be Melo apologists who want to say "The team is winning now, that's all that matters" Guess what? I think people who have a problem with Melo's deficiencies as a leader and his defensive effort care very much about the Knicks potential to win too. Except they are looking at the LONG TERM prospects of winning.
Sure the Knicks have won three games now. That's great. But will they sustain it? Will Melo sustain this effort or revert back to the lazy defender he has always been for nearly a decade?
Lack of effort is a player treating his fans like absolute dog s**t. The Pistons did that, they hated Coach Kuester and stopped trying. But who really paid? Detroit has been hit hard by the bad economy the past few years, I posit that ultimately the fans paid the most. The fans deserve to see their home team fight hard every single night. How is that being respectful and appreciative of your fan base if you dog it because you hate your coach, when it looks like millionaires throwing a tantrum at the cost of the value of the tickets paid for by the rank and file fans who cheer those players and team on?
The way I see it, Melo's lack of effort for so long and his piss poor attitude and his leadership failures is an insult to every Knicks fan in the world. Part of being that team leader is how you represent your franchise. It's funny, like I said, I know there are people here with kids, and I have serious doubts most parents would let their kids act like Melo on their own youth sports teams. But somehow it's ok because it's Melo and that's somehow different. I don't know what I find more disturbing to me, that some fans are ok with piss poor effort and the implied insult to their fandom, or that so many clearly have no concept of basic right or wrong or ignore it all because it's an NBA superstar.
Call me crazy to think that to be a WINNER, you have to ACT LIKE A WINNER. And to act like a winner, you have to be CONSISTENTLY PROFESSIONAL AND BE A LEADER AND EXAMPLE. Sure, you can win a few games as a jackhole, but to be a true winner and lead your team to a ring, I'd like to think your star player shouldn't have to be pushed or reminded about what is needed to respect the team, the franchise, the fans and themselves.
What I wouldn't give to have Melo have the professionalism and grace and leadership and work ethic of a Ray Allen or a Grant Hill or Shane Battier or a Tim Duncan or a Ronnie Lott or a Mike Singletary or a Ray Bourque or a Mark Messier or a Bernie Williams. These are players who probably didn't love every single coach they had in life or every single situation they felt something was wrong for them personally, but these were players who set the example of how to win and how to be a winner. So sad that the Knicks breaking hearts of fans during the Zeke years and the losing for so long would entice some fans to accept just any kind of jack hole and his childish diva behavior because it's better than nothing.
There is no one to blame for Melo's lack of effort before the past three games except Melo himself. Like I said, anyone who feels different, that's their right, but I feel sorry for them and I feel sorry for the kind of values they are teaching their kids.
TripleThreat, I actually read your whole post (which was not easy) 
- I enjoyed it too, good post. A couple of areas of contention:
1. 2 wrongs don't make a right. THEY MAKE 2 WRONGS!
2. Welcome to the current NBA. Players are spoiled ASSHOLES - A coach needs to coach ASSHOLES or he can't coach NBA players (not every team is San Antonio - probably because POP would not put up with it. You picked some classy players but there are many Diva's who clash with their coaches. Many! And, they usually win. Why because they are spoiled brats.
3. While Melo was a misfit, I still do not buy that he dogged it. I actually thought his man to man defense was quite good. And, he has been nothing but classy to the media. He was obviously unhappy (I assume) and that does not help any player. Did he miss practice? Have yelling matches with the coach (can't be MDA barely spoke to him), have fights with other players? Post boobies on Twitter? Get in trouble with the law? Say anything negative about anyone? NO! We would like to think if we made 20 million a year that we would not be spoiled, but trust me, that's exactly what 20 million a years does - makes you a brat.
4. If your kids look up to NBA players as role models then I think you are failing them as a father. My kids know better than to look up to NBA players.
5. Was STAT dogging it to until the past 3 games? How about the rest of the team? It takes a team effort and a lousy coaching job to crash and burn.
6. You made many assumptions just like many others. That to me is sad. I hope you do not get judged at your job for what others perceive