Knicks · What the heck is wrong with Melo? (page 2)

EnySpree wrote:He's playing defense now and is not in condition to bring it on both ends....some sad shit

We've blown teams out and I don't even know if he is averaging up to 30mins a game over the last 5 games. If that's the case then thats horrible.

newyorknewyork wrote:If he is hurt and out of shape then how is he able to play quality defense? Maybe its not physical but mental?

honestly I don't think he's as out of shape as people suggest. He should be in better shape but he looks soft and has looked soft his whole career, even when he was playing world class ball. Think it mostly has to do with his wrist, but maybe that has affected his head too. Who knows. But I do enjoy everyone posting their opinion as gospel

SupremeCommander wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:If he is hurt and out of shape then how is he able to play quality defense? Maybe its not physical but mental?

honestly I don't think he's as out of shape as people suggest. He should be in better shape but he looks soft and has looked soft his whole career, even when he was playing world class ball. Think it mostly has to do with his wrist, but maybe that has affected his head too. Who knows. But I do enjoy everyone posting their opinion as gospel

Yup alot of Sports Medicine Trainers and Doctors in here today.

VCoug wrote:He's probably still dealing with some injury problems, especially his wrist that he hurt a couple weeks ago.

Before Linsanity, Carmelo was asked to run the offense, score and take responsibility for the success of the franchise. He absorbed some wicked hits and kept on playing. Never once did he complain. In the process to prove he was a tough guy, he probably hurt himself more. Although he sat a stretch, the sense is he never fully healed.

His shot is affected by the wrist. His legs are not there yet. It could be he is playing on fumes.

The touch pass was as sweet as it gets.

SupremeCommander wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:If he is hurt and out of shape then how is he able to play quality defense? Maybe its not physical but mental?

honestly I don't think he's as out of shape as people suggest. He should be in better shape but he looks soft and has looked soft his whole career, even when he was playing world class ball. Think it mostly has to do with his wrist, but maybe that has affected his head too. Who knows. But I do enjoy everyone posting their opinion as gospel

To his defense he wears some type of rib guard under his jersey so he will always look pudgy. But he doesn't seem to be able to beat people off the dribble like a player of his caliber should. He got no foul calls vs Philly though when he cut to the basket off passes and his outside jumper isn't falling. But neither has Jr Smith's or Landry Fields and all 3 of these guys were high % outside shooters last season.

Uptown wrote:Pre-injury, he put up 30 in 3 straight games. I think he's still struggling with the injury aswell as some confidence issues. Also, he's a rhythm shooter and he goes mins without touching the ball in his spots. Last night he hit 2 straight and Woodson yanked him out a little too early IMO. If somebody is hot, you ride them.

Uptown - did anyone mention that you rock?

misterearl wrote:Yes

Uptown wrote:Pre-injury, he put up 30 in 3 straight games. I think he's still struggling with the injury aswell as some confidence issues. Also, he's a rhythm shooter and he goes mins without touching the ball in his spots. Last night he hit 2 straight and Woodson yanked him out a little too early IMO. If somebody is hot, you ride them.

Uptown - did anyone mention that you rock?

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Yes

Uptown wrote:Pre-injury, he put up 30 in 3 straight games. I think he's still struggling with the injury aswell as some confidence issues. Also, he's a rhythm shooter and he goes mins without touching the ball in his spots. Last night he hit 2 straight and Woodson yanked him out a little too early IMO. If somebody is hot, you ride them.

Uptown - did anyone mention that you rock?

LMAO.. uptown just killed MDA for that stupid offense that just rides the hot shooter. Funny stuff. Its nice to winning games

Fish, the MDA's equal opportunity offense does not reward "Riding a hot shooter," unless your the point guard or a spot up shooter. MDA's ideal offense will give guys with less ability (Bill Walker and Fields to name a few) the opportunity to put as many shots as Melo and Stat in a game. There's no room for a player with Melo's skill-set (Elbow and in) to get hot in this offense or even fit in unless he breaks the actual offense.

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Yes

Uptown wrote:Pre-injury, he put up 30 in 3 straight games. I think he's still struggling with the injury aswell as some confidence issues. Also, he's a rhythm shooter and he goes mins without touching the ball in his spots. Last night he hit 2 straight and Woodson yanked him out a little too early IMO. If somebody is hot, you ride them.

Uptown - did anyone mention that you rock?

LMAO.. uptown just killed MDA for that stupid offense that just rides the hot shooter. Funny stuff. Its nice to winning games

Fish, the MDA's equal opportunity offense does not reward "Riding a hot shooter," unless your the point guard or a spot up shooter. MDA's ideal offense will give guys with less ability (Bill Walker and Fields to name a few) the opportunity to put as many shots as Melo and Stat in a game. There's no room for a player with Melo's skill-set (Elbow and in) to get hot in this offense or even fit in unless he breaks the actual offense.

right... so if melo was in the corner where he's shooting 30 percent and guarded, and Amar'e is in the elbow and guarded where he was shootign 40 percent then, and the defense sags off of Fields to cover for pressing Lin, the ball gets to Fields and he is encouraged to shoot the open three that he hits 27 percent of the time

SupremeCommander wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Yes

Uptown wrote:Pre-injury, he put up 30 in 3 straight games. I think he's still struggling with the injury aswell as some confidence issues. Also, he's a rhythm shooter and he goes mins without touching the ball in his spots. Last night he hit 2 straight and Woodson yanked him out a little too early IMO. If somebody is hot, you ride them.

Uptown - did anyone mention that you rock?

LMAO.. uptown just killed MDA for that stupid offense that just rides the hot shooter. Funny stuff. Its nice to winning games

Fish, the MDA's equal opportunity offense does not reward "Riding a hot shooter," unless your the point guard or a spot up shooter. MDA's ideal offense will give guys with less ability (Bill Walker and Fields to name a few) the opportunity to put as many shots as Melo and Stat in a game. There's no room for a player with Melo's skill-set (Elbow and in) to get hot in this offense or even fit in unless he breaks the actual offense.

right... so if melo was in the corner where he's shooting 30 percent and guarded, and Amar'e is in the elbow and guarded where he was shootign 40 percent then, and the defense sags off of Fields to cover for pressing Lin, the ball gets to Fields and he is encouraged to shoot the open three that he hits 27 percent of the time

what does this have to do with Riding a Hot Hand?!?!

The dude is strong but not like Igudala like.

Melo rode his celebrity last summer and took it easy.

Lets hope that the olympic experiences motivates him to the next level.

I hear they have some pretty good assistant coachs on the team!

Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Yes

Uptown wrote:Pre-injury, he put up 30 in 3 straight games. I think he's still struggling with the injury aswell as some confidence issues. Also, he's a rhythm shooter and he goes mins without touching the ball in his spots. Last night he hit 2 straight and Woodson yanked him out a little too early IMO. If somebody is hot, you ride them.

Uptown - did anyone mention that you rock?

LMAO.. uptown just killed MDA for that stupid offense that just rides the hot shooter. Funny stuff. Its nice to winning games

Fish, the MDA's equal opportunity offense does not reward "Riding a hot shooter," unless your the point guard or a spot up shooter. MDA's ideal offense will give guys with less ability (Bill Walker and Fields to name a few) the opportunity to put as many shots as Melo and Stat in a game. There's no room for a player with Melo's skill-set (Elbow and in) to get hot in this offense or even fit in unless he breaks the actual offense.

right... so if melo was in the corner where he's shooting 30 percent and guarded, and Amar'e is in the elbow and guarded where he was shootign 40 percent then, and the defense sags off of Fields to cover for pressing Lin, the ball gets to Fields and he is encouraged to shoot the open three that he hits 27 percent of the time

what does this have to do with Riding a Hot Hand?!?!

not a damned thing

mrKnickShot wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He seems like a guy who is relying on genetics and doesn't take good care of his body. He's paying the price for it now. I hope he spends this off-season doing exactly what Lin did last year.

Exactly.

As he nears 30, putting in the work to stay in top shape will become more important. His longevity is on the line.

Guy like Lebron, tip top every year. He can play 10 games in a row! Yea, Lebron has the genes too but he puts the work in.

Melo doesn't look or play like a guy that puts the work in.

Thanks Dr's Beavis and Butthead

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Yes

Uptown wrote:Pre-injury, he put up 30 in 3 straight games. I think he's still struggling with the injury aswell as some confidence issues. Also, he's a rhythm shooter and he goes mins without touching the ball in his spots. Last night he hit 2 straight and Woodson yanked him out a little too early IMO. If somebody is hot, you ride them.

Uptown - did anyone mention that you rock?

LMAO.. uptown just killed MDA for that stupid offense that just rides the hot shooter. Funny stuff. Its nice to winning games

Fish, the MDA's equal opportunity offense does not reward "Riding a hot shooter," unless your the point guard or a spot up shooter. MDA's ideal offense will give guys with less ability (Bill Walker and Fields to name a few) the opportunity to put as many shots as Melo and Stat in a game. There's no room for a player with Melo's skill-set (Elbow and in) to get hot in this offense or even fit in unless he breaks the actual offense.

Melo is the ONLY player to not benefit from MDA's offense, but we still blame MDA for this? Even after Melo said he simply didnt play as hard? Wow... ok

Dont make this out to be some pro MDA lover crap. For 10 years here Ive been posting its the players players players and then its the players. Melo quit on the last coach and it hurt this team. The guy still isnt in shape to play on both ends.

At this point Im glad MDA is gone because now its back to basketball, but funny how some problems linger

misterearl wrote:+7

VCoug wrote:He's probably still dealing with some injury problems, especially his wrist that he hurt a couple weeks ago.

Before Linsanity, Carmelo was asked to run the offense, score and take responsibility for the success of the franchise. He absorbed some wicked hits and kept on playing. Never once did he complain. In the process to prove he was a tough guy, he probably hurt himself more. Although he sat a stretch, the sense is he never fully healed.

His shot is affected by the wrist. His legs are not there yet. It could be he is playing on fumes.

The touch pass was as sweet as it gets.

He may have some injury issues but he did play in the all-star game. He looks like he can't finish when he gets near the rim, especially if he doesn't have a full head of steam. I've noticed that if he's driving to the basket or running from a fastbreak, he can finish pretty well. But if he just gets an offensive rebound or loose ball while under the basket, he can't explosively jump and it's likely to result in about 3 missed shots and offensive rebounds.

Bonn1997 wrote:

misterearl wrote:+7

VCoug wrote:He's probably still dealing with some injury problems, especially his wrist that he hurt a couple weeks ago.

Before Linsanity, Carmelo was asked to run the offense, score and take responsibility for the success of the franchise. He absorbed some wicked hits and kept on playing. Never once did he complain. In the process to prove he was a tough guy, he probably hurt himself more. Although he sat a stretch, the sense is he never fully healed.

His shot is affected by the wrist. His legs are not there yet. It could be he is playing on fumes.

The touch pass was as sweet as it gets.

He may have some injury issues but he did play in the all-star game. He looks like he can't finish when he gets near the rim, especially if he doesn't have a full head of steam. I've noticed that if he's driving to the basket or running from a fastbreak, he can finish pretty well. But if he just gets an offensive rebound or loose ball while under the basket, he can't explosively jump and it's likely to result in about 3 missed shots and offensive rebounds.

Its ok ...

Nobody was criticized more than Ewing in regards to passing out of the double team(s). Melo can join the club of abusee's until he wins something in NY.

Thats ok with me.

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

fishmike wrote:

misterearl wrote:Yes

Uptown wrote:Pre-injury, he put up 30 in 3 straight games. I think he's still struggling with the injury aswell as some confidence issues. Also, he's a rhythm shooter and he goes mins without touching the ball in his spots. Last night he hit 2 straight and Woodson yanked him out a little too early IMO. If somebody is hot, you ride them.

Uptown - did anyone mention that you rock?

LMAO.. uptown just killed MDA for that stupid offense that just rides the hot shooter. Funny stuff. Its nice to winning games

Fish, the MDA's equal opportunity offense does not reward "Riding a hot shooter," unless your the point guard or a spot up shooter. MDA's ideal offense will give guys with less ability (Bill Walker and Fields to name a few) the opportunity to put as many shots as Melo and Stat in a game. There's no room for a player with Melo's skill-set (Elbow and in) to get hot in this offense or even fit in unless he breaks the actual offense.

and yet all those years Amare was good for 25ppg while shooting 55%

Melo is the ONLY player to not benefit from MDA's offense, but we still blame MDA for this? Even after Melo said he simply didnt play as hard? Wow... ok

Dont make this out to be some pro MDA lover crap. For 10 years here Ive been posting its the players players players and then its the players. Melo quit on the last coach and it hurt this team. The guy still isnt in shape to play on both ends.

At this point Im glad MDA is gone because now its back to basketball, but funny how some problems linger

Amare benefited tremndously from being featured in MDA's high pick-n-roll offense. You think Melo couldn't benefit from playing a little pick-n-pop with Lin? Too bad MDA was too ridgid to try.

Show me a quote where I endorsed or excused Melo for not giving 100% effort all the time. I'm not saying its okay, but even Magic Johnson was discouraged and disheartened when he was sattled in Westheads system, a system he didn't believe in and a system which didn't attempt to bend to his strengths. Magic had delusions of being traded and he didn't give all out effort at times aswell (If you need it, I will provide direct quotes when I have the time). Again, its never okay when a player doesn't give full effort all the time, but I'm just saying, it does happen.

I've knocked Melo for the shooting slump, and I've even said he needs to bend a little for MDA. My problem is when guys place all blame for the Knics woes on Melo when thats not the case. MDA has to take just as much if not more than Melo. He's the captain of the ship for crying out loud. In your eyes, is MDA at fault for anything that went wrong?

BTW, Amare has had a nice surge of energy on the defensive side of the ball over the last 5. Kind of hard to figure out what Amare is really trying to say during his mostly canned-responses, but his body language over the last 5 on the defensive end is speaking volumes.